I have.

Didn't like them. I think the G1 cartoon is terrible, personally.

Problem with that, is that those are alternate universes.

That's like me saying, "Adam West Batman and Christian Bale Batman are the same." They're not.

And humans have NEVER done anything like this before.

...Then that's your problem. Not the movie's. Its like going into a Captain America movie and just expecting to see Captain America beat people up.

 

That argument makes no sense. So what if the character has been around for thirty years? That doesn't mean all that stuff has been happening to this specific Optimus Prime.

Think of it this way. You go to another planet and protect its inhabitants from evil humans that constantly keep trying to kill them and take over their planet. Then after about 10 years they start killing all your friends. You don't think you'd be a little pissed off?

 

In my opinion, this film is way better than ROTf and dark of the moon, I'm still on the fence on which is better/ my favorite: the 07 film, or age of extinction. The 07 film had better story and pacing, while age of extinction had the best action and character development, especially for the robots

 

Then you have no right to have an opinion since without G1 there would be no Transformer franchise and your "precious Michael Bay movies."

Except this is part of the same universe as the previous Michael Bay movies that had the SAME Prime from the G1 series; that he referenced from. I mean even the same voice-actor as the G1 Prime is playing the Michael Bay Optimus Prime.

It is not my problem since that is how this movie was advertised and known-as: mindless, robot action fun. Not some deep philosophical movie that needs to have deep explorations on character development.

Yeah, stop coming across as a internet douche. Can we have a conversation without the condensation please?

 

Wrong wrong wrong. Any events that happened in G1 have no effect on the viewpoints and attitudes of this Optimus Prime. Two completely different continuities. I can't believe you're actually trying to argue this.

 

That's not how opinions work. People don't need to like the G1 cartoon to like Transformers. Its like you're saying, Someone isn't an American for not liking the American Revolution. Or someone isn't a Doctor Who fan if they liked the first Doctor. Or someone isn't a James Bond fan for not liking the offensive James Bond books.

...I have no idea what you're trying to say.

It is for thinking this movie was just going to be action set piece after action set piece. The Marvel movies emphasize humor and action, but its obvious they have a lot more to offer than that. Same as this movie.

Even though you were rude first? Besides, it was teasing. Sorry if you got offended by it.

 

The irony is G1 is just as shit as Bayformers from a writing standpoint.

The only difference between Prime in AOE and Prime in the first three is they finally felt they needed to justify Prime being fucking nuts and angry and everything. Otherwise he's the same.

Whatever you just described is definitely not Bayformers, because character development is non-existent, and AOE had plenty of mindless robot action.

Says the guy telling someone they don't have a right to an opinion.

 

Personally I think Optimus has a right to be upset. He protected earth from being colonized, protected humans from slavery, and then he's hunted down by humans, almost killed in Mexico. Not to mention this is not the first time humans back stabbed him and bots, remember the space shuttle sent them off earth, only to get shot down by Starscream?

I'd rather see Optimus gone mad over his fellow bots tortured to death, and wanted blood. That's what leaders do, they protect. I mean how can you honestly expect Optimus to just go kumbaya with humans after witnessing Ratchet's head melted down for parts, just ignore it, do nothing?

 

Him not having a giving thought about abandoning the humans after what they've done makes for a shitty character that's a hero just for the sake of having a one dimensional hero. So if all your close friends, your brothers in arms, were murdered by the people YOU told them to protect you wouldn't get shaken by it? You wouldn't regret the choices you've made? How is it even possible for someone to be an unfeeling cold hearted machine like that? Optimus having doubts and ultimately finding the drive to see the good in humans gives him an actual friggin story dude gives him character he's been seriously lacking in all of these movies.
What no harm for a guy to kill his own people but if he kills YOUR people oh he's apparently evil now. People that hunted down and murdered his in cold blood. Think about it. Understand the weight of what he's going through and if you seriously don't think it's justified then I'm sorry the world doesn't work the way your saturday morning cartoons try to convince you it does.

 

This times a million.

 

Holy crap. During the first Trilogy, people used the refrain "It's not Shakespear!" to excuse the frankly stupid writing of those three movies (with the partial exception of Dark of the Moon.) Now that the films have finally raised their game, it mutates into "It's not supposed to be Shakespear, I want Transformers to be dumb?"

An emotionally exhausted and broken Optimus who has lost nearly everything at the hands of the humans he protected? I'm on board with that. That sounds like Drama to me. (And I'm from the camp that thought Prime did some pretty questionable stuff in 2 and 3, but I'm not dwelling on that for Extinction) Optimus does wake up saying "I'll kill you!" but the last thing he knew he was in the middle of a brutal human/lockdown ambush that he barely escaped and survived. And then he said "stay back, stay back," it was clear his threat of death was fairly empty.

And the one human he actually does directly was not only the one most directly responsible for the slaughterings, but at that precise moment was a lethal threat to cade, which justifies deadly force. As broken as Prime was, he doesn't actualy break his moral code.

 

Personally I think this blows the 07 film out of the water. I never liked it. It was better than Revenge of the fallen, but all the stupid embarassing stuff fromt that movie can be traced to the first one.

 

Whenever I've read bad reviews it often involves bays name even when it has nothing to do with him. I find its that way with about 70% of bad reviews.

 

Now let me tell you why that's BS. Transformers still had the toy line and comics.

 

This, I agree with.

 

Like holy shit the robots actually have character now?

Honestly, the "Magic" mostly just came from that being the first time we ever saw TFs on the big screen. You can't recapture that because we've alreayd seen them four times now. Strip away the novelty and TF1 is, at best, a fun sort of Speilbergian whimsical romp.

Also, kind of off-topic, but the day Masterzero is an "internet douche" I'll eat my own hands.