Megatron put Pentius' spark in Trypticon, remember.

What's up with Trypticon by the way, I'm suspicious that he disappeared during the war and is confirmed to have a Quintesson's spark.

 

^this

 

Excellent points in the thread. From Milne's recents tweets I'm getting a strong Kledji vibe off Sector 113.

 

There's going to be a terrible slaughter over the next little while  

Also, thoughts on a character who suddenly appears to be a big deal, and the solicit for #33:

Spoiler

The fate of an entire planet hangs in the balance as MEGATRON races to solve the dark riddle of Sector 113. As unseen forces move in for the kill and old friends reveal their true colors, the AUTOBOTS realize that everything—everything—is a lie."

I don't trust Riptide. Not for one second. Hell, even the dark red background that the TFwiki's picture has just makes me edgy. He's a 'Hydrobot' with an aquatic seafaring mode whose color scheme isn't that far off from a classic Sharkticon; the Quintessons in Eugenesis had a gigantic seafaring army.

 

I don't trust Getaway or Riptide.

 

But as to old friends, I guess we're meant to think of the bot in the cover, not to be more specific.

 

Oh him absolutely, but methinks they pluralized it for a reason.

 

Megatron solves mysteries now?

By smashing them into pieces and doing happy dance on their corpses, I presume?  

 

The question how many friends do Megatron actually has? I do not believe I would put DJD in that category.

 

I think it would be interesting if the Quintessons were partially responsible for evolving the Cybertronian race, but Primus is still the creator.

With regard to Cyclonus' understanding of Primus being 'god' though. I really wish Roberts had not put in his (Cyclonus) earlier statement that "God sometimes gets it wrong". My inner Thomist/Platonist cringes at things like that, because it suggests a lack of understanding of what is understood as God. All I can say is that if that's Cyclonus' take, then he worships something that's not God. Unless that's the point Roberts is trying to make in the first place since don't Cybertronians acknowledge something that's closer to a dualist system of order and chaos, thus having TWO gods representing those standards (Primus being order and creation, Unicron being chaos and death)?

Sorry for getting all philosophical and theological on this.

 

Gods being infallible beings is pretty late concept in human theologies. Or it's just Cyclonus showing his cynism.

On top of that, Cybertronian concepts don't have to be in line with human ones.

 

I'm curious by what you mean by infallible. Did you mean impeccable? As for Cyclonus showing his cynicism goes, I did not consider that perspective of his character beforehand. I was probably more annoyed with Star Saber's portrayal as a fundamentalist and not offering much else than a cliche. Still, I would pray that Roberts considers actually fleshing out those two characters a bit more, especially with the motivations of Star Saber.

I would agree in theory that Cybertronian concepts don't have to be in line with human ones, up until the point that one realizes that the story is of human origin, thus subjecting itself to the confines human presuppositions, regardless of how abstract the portrayal may be.

With all that said, I enjoy all of the little philosophies and different systems that both Barber and Roberts have added to the mythos, such as functionalism (a nod to utilitarianism and even natural law to some extent).

 

100 Points for THIS


Most Gods over human history had flaws and weakness.

 

Both.
Gods as higher being incapable of making wrongs and mistakes is a very late concept which wasn't known for the greatest part of Antiquity.
Prior to the emergence of the Zoroastrian and Hebrew faiths gods were just superpowered immortal people with all human flaws and mistakes.
Now, probably would made more sense if Cybertronians perceived their god more in a way how it's in monotheist fainths.
But since it's a fictional religion for a fictional species, they may do it in any way writer wants.

But human theology rather do not apply to them.

Though parrallel of Ahuramazda=Primus and Unicron=Ahriman is pretty obvious. But can't be used for writing Cybertronian theology, because... TFs don't know about Unicron. Yet.

Then there is a possibility that Cyclonus, being a warrior not a theologist, just makes mistakes and Primus is indeed perceived as a perfect being. Or he's just cynic and jaded. After all, he has a lot of reasons to be like that. He was trapped in an undead state because he was following Prime who was supposed to be everything what Primus embodied, but in the end was only a tyrant. Plenty of reason to dent his faith and turn him cynic.

 

Unicron doesn't exist in the IDW continuity yet (and is not in the current team's plans as of yet).

 

I think he'll show sooner or later. Something like him was hinted, albeit not by this name.

 

Maybe it turns out that Primus indeed exists, but also that Primus and Unicron is one and the same! :O

 

It was mentioned that Primus was spawned as a reaction to the emergence of something totally opposite to him.

Now... The thing that might be considered something opposite to Primus is Unicron.

I also wonder if D-void could be somehow linked to Unicron, since it had few similar visual traits, like wings and horns. Though these traits might be as well generic evil demonic attributes. On the other hand, the Dead Universe was somehow considered as something unchanging and orderly, quite the opposite to how Unicron was always depicted as a being of chaos.

Quintessons, imho, would work better as corrupted creations of Primus. They have this fixation with law and order.

 

If that the case does it means that Tyrest Accords were based off the Quintessons. It would make sense that Ultra Magnus might end up serving them.

Also kind of reminds of Eugenesis when Roberts wrote all the characters he has now are in MTMTE are that fanfiction. I am sure reproduction is going be touched on.

 

Fixing the Quints.... good luck with this one. I do not see how anyone that plays with this will have an easy time with their stories being accepted.

Lets see we have roughly 3 references to the Quints already that i can think of.

1. The five sided object that Skids sees through the portal. (which is inconclusive)

2. The image of a quint on the planet Wheelie was stranded on.

3. The full character reveal of a quint from one of the worst IDW books possible, Monstrosity. Chris Metzen really damages a lot of things that he touches when he write the main story and not a narrative for other individuals to fill. In order to retcon this Quint to make them intersting they'll need to show that this character was an outcast from the quint race in general.



Personally, I see the quints as having some form of alliance or control over Tyrest. There original 1986 movie reference showed them as interested in justice and trial.... even if it was a mockery and perversion of it. Why not play on that and show how they corrupted/co-opted Tyrest to their cause before/during/after the aquenace trials?

Also... I agree with many others... don't completely explain their origins in relation to the history of cybertron. This will quickly cheapen the religious effect that Roberts has built around established characters.

Don't make them the Knights of Cybertron. This will end the story and quest of MTMTE too soon which has been awesome to watch.

Beyond that have fun/good luck trying to create personalities/motivations or reasons for them doing anything they do because you are going to be under intense scrutiny by the readers for not doing them right.

My advice? Come out of left field and be original with a few things. Maybe they're an original tribe of Cybertron which left... maybe they came from another world and found Cybertron in shambles and decided to intervene for a time. Maybe their not all batshit crazy and manipulative.... the majority may even have their act together as a civilized society. And please... make them a red herring for the real Knights of Cybertron.