Okay I'm finally looking at this "hollowness" issue you guys are complaining about so much. I think I need to set some of you guys straight. Some of the earliest Transformers (IIRC) were made from limbs and pieces that were basically C rails screwed or glued together. Think a set of parentheses (). They needed labor to assemble but really depending on the shape or the thickness of the plastic they weren't particularly any stronger. Designers could focus on the "outer" side of the piece so any mold lines or imperfections could be masked on the "inside" of the piece. These "crappy hollow legs" on Jetfire you guys are complaining so much about seem to be very intricate on 3 axis, and have detail molding on the interior ribbing! Does it take less labor to assemble? Yes. Does it use less material? Yes. I'm not going to get into how much strew is probably been eliminated from the process but I'd wager the productions engineers obsessed over every cent of that as well. Cost cutting is a reality (although 3D printing's becoming a global game changer, just wait a few more years) This is no where near the issue some people seem to think it is. Cover the gaps with sculpty or don't buy the farking toy. But until you have to suffer though a semester of manufacturing process engineering, you probably have no idea what you're talking about. #notadealkiller
Customers who buy things with their money are entitled to all the bitching they want. scroll past the shit you don't want to read.
If you buy it and find you've been lied to, or have somehow been cheated, then yes, you should be whining. If you pay money for something you already disliked and you still need to whine well... you're an idiot. If you don't like something, good news, you don't have to buy it!
Looks good for an action figure... but I don't think it would display with MP's. I like the metallic red though.
I don't think the people complaining about "hollowness" on this thread would even really care one wit about what you're talking about regarding manufacturing process engineering. They just see hollow plastic figure == crap. You can try to sugarcoat that crap, but it'll just be sugarcoated crap to them. btw, just coz...
I'd like to make a prediction now. Jetfire will be the Metroplex of 2014. BBTS will have a advanced stock on hand at Botcon with a pre-order for an Aug. release and the mold will be used as a SDCC exclusive. An evil/dark Skyfire/Jetfire thing.
What scale is that Valkyrie? 1/55 or 1/60? I'd kill for an affordable Valkyrie to repaint as Jetfire. Emphasis on affordable. Holy shit, are the ones I've found expensive. And I'm still buying this new, hollow, chrome laden Hasbro version.
... scroll past what you don't want to read and thus you don't have to post your differing opinion to it? Hey, you could always take your own advice as well!
Well... GI Joe Skystriker... The repaint I really want out of this is the GI Joe Night Boomer: Black fuselage, dark green wings, and blaze orange weaponry with some glow in the dark paint apps/stickers. He might be used for an SDCC exclusive... basing that guess on the pattern of Hasbro using the 'big ticket' item of the year as an exclusive... though, actually Jetfire isn't the 'big ticket' item this year... it's the main item of the Generations line. So Hasbro's 'big' SDCC exclusive may be from a movie mold and not be a version of Jetfire. The 'big ' SDCC exclusive from the last movie year was that big movie Prime w/trailer afterall. Or perhaps there will be one of each!
I think you're confusing stuff here. Hollowness in plastic toy production is normal, yes. Looking at my current shelf of Transformers here there's not a single one that doesn't have it. Making parts hollow and strengthening them with inner 'ribs' makes for sturdier parts, rather than fully covered panels with nothing inside (like BH Prime's forearms). That's not the issue here. I tend to view every single Transformer toy on its own, with its own set of rules. Some toys have great sculpts and get away with much more missing paint apps than others. Some toys are smaller but indefinitely better than the bigger ones I own. Some toys have fake transformations but end up with better looking robot modes than 'real' transformations. In short: what applies to one toy does not automatically apply to all others, for me it's highly subjective. I love some toys that are hollow as shit and hated by many, but I feel they're doing other things better than this Jetfire This is not about there being hollow parts, it's about how and where and how much it's applied, adding up to all the other ways where this toy is cost-cutting and simplified, while being given artificial value by adding random chrome. I still don't see why there needs to be a glaring hollowed out grid in the wings right above his head in robot mode, instantly making this figure look like nothing but a toy (haha, irony). Why in robot mode he looks extremely top heavy with all his junk towering above his head, while his feet look small in comparison. Why they had to go as far as completely cutting out the plastic on his forearms, making it look awful for anyone who prefers not to have his guns plugged in there like the cartoon. Why they had to do another round of paint-cuts making this figure even whiter (could do with some red on his feet, the lack of continuous stripe on his chest is not that bad). Why they had to go and add red chrome on big random parts, when chrome flakes and has a shade that's darker than the regular red (and destroys another area of the toy that originally had red AND black). How the arms connect to the chest in a pretty simplistic way that's not even molded to look like it connects properly. ANY ONE (or two) of the things I see as faults would be perfectly fine to me - but not all of them at once. Especially on a Leader class toy, which shouldn't have the same size or budget related problems as deluxes - especially now that they've cut electronics and thus don't have to work a transformation around batteries sound boxes. Mind you, I'm not angry - I'm worried. Because despite Hasbro PR talk how they're not letting collector fans down, they're still continuing with cost-cutting measures every year. I'm not usually one to piss on Hasbro, and I love collecting Classics/Generations - and despite what one may think now, I don't see them as high-grade collectables. I see them as fun little figures and I'm actually very tolerant and like(d) most TF product that has come out over the years - and I also agree that the toys shouldn't be too hard, thus support the simplification up to a point. Still, this keeps going on and on, and I'm worried what the next step will be. Sorry you feel anyone who has not gone through six months of manufacturing process engineering has no idea what he's talking about - I don't think my/the opinion is that uninformed, to be honest. I think it's great that a Leader Jetfire is coming out. Many people collecting now probably missed out on the previous Classics release, and this one is at a 'better' size too! Like I said in an earlier post, I fully understand people who just don't agree with the flaws I see - and that's ok. Like I said: highly subjective, and I don't claim to speak the one and only truth. I can easily see this being picked up by many people..and you know what? I might bump into it in stores and determine it looks better in person. Maybe I'm totally off and it turns out he actually has an extremely delicate paintjob using two different shades of white, and just pops in real life. Stuff like that happens all the time, but still: the worry is there for me, because already on images it looks like it's closer to a Beast Hunters Ultimate Predaking than a HFTD Leader Starscream, just to name both a very simplified/cost-cut figure and an absolutely stunning one. This is the last I'll say about this figure. In short: every time this figure pops up again, I find another thing about it that lessens my interest - but I still do have interest. I'd love to buy a Leader Jetfire. Or a Leader Megatron.
I hope this comes out soon and Hasbro doesn't make a dick move like delay it just like Ratrap & Tankor
