Its like if someone told me I was going to get shot in another country. I'd rather know about it beforehand and mentally and spiritually prepare myself before I got shot.

I think its because people just see him as a Big Lipped Alligator.

 

People are mixing up what a plot hole actually is. A plot hole is when the story line contradicts itself. Most of the things listed here are not plot holes- they're just plot threads that didn't come to a satisfying conclusion for some people.

A plothole, for example, would be Smokescreen's timeline for going back into the base to save Optimus. Doesn't match up.

Or the whole spiel about how only the power of a Prime could use the Hammer to create...which means Megatron, who still isn't a Prime despite screwing on a dead arm, shouldn't really be able to use the Hammer.

yes but "I didn't like the ending to this arc" =/= an actual plot hole haha. Apples and oranges.

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Wait, I remember something

- Alpha Trion said he sent the relics to Earth because he could see that "the small planet would play a significant role in the war, but he could not see what role it would play." So he knew that Earth was important, but he didn't know why. Makes sense. Wouldn't that be one hell of a Deus Ex Machina if Alpha Trion could just phone in and say "hey, Prime, x y and z is happening in a few hours, get ready yo!"

 

I think I'd rather he point out how I could avoid getting shot if at all possible. Of course if there is no way to avoid, after the initial anger I'd get why he felt it counterproductive to tell me.

Huh. I gotta wonder if there was this much love for Colossus Rhodes.

 

Meltdown's henchman from Animated? I'd be surprised if there was.

 

Soundwave not being a normal cybertronian. What the hell does that mean?

 

He's an enigmatic silent faceless sentinel, an unnerving and competent soldier who carries out the will of Megatron with undying obedience and efficiency, serves as the eyes and ears of the Decepticons and demonstrated the ability to crash his own drives and revitalise himself with his drone

He's a lot sharper than your average Decepticon, a much more cunning and dangerous opponent. He can't be bullied, intimidated or negotiated with; he simply turns your own words on you with complete disregard to anything outside of his mission.

Basically, it means Ratchet perceives Soundwave as this deadly threat on a much higher tier than other Decepticons.

 

...Those aren't plotholes.

 

The writers where done with Vogal. It was wrapped up pretty nicely.

I most certainly watched grill. It was smashed and recovered. the only cybertronian tech was the transformation cog. Unless your just looking for something that wasn't explicitly laid out for you the writers where done with that arc as well.

I was out getting beer and while I was gone energon waffles answered it perfectly. He does have that magic note book that sort of tells him the future.

Thanks and Happy New Year!!!!!

 

Besides Raf being able to understand Bumblebee, everything else is just fodder.

 

1. Even moreso, how does Cody learn to understand him in Rescue Bots?
2. Probably a last minute save from Hasbro.
3. Those "incarnations" weren't even him, really. They were his equivalent of Eradicons to tire out and kill Optimus and the Autobots. When Unicron's full "essence" is in Megatron's body and in full control, nothing stands against him; Autobot, Decepticon or Predacon. Unicron really is that powerful. He barely used any effort to send those rock golems after Optimus.
4. Airachnid was trapped in an Insecticons' stasis pod. Those pods apparently survived reentry and a ship crash. They can survive that, they could survive the blast that destroyed the base. I admit I wasn't sure if the pod could survive that.
5. This was really just an ass pull. If they had shown Smokescreen instead phase shifting out of the tunnel that the Groundbridge was in, so he exits the base, heads underground, then resurfaces to get Optimus, at least it wouldn't be crazy to try to explain.
6. Poor storytelling. It seems Bulkhead's injury was going to last longer initially. In season three it's at least established at that point the Autobots are even worse off when it comes to Energon supplies and available tools since the base was destroyed.

That still doesn't mean they're the same. Use the word correctly or you'll just confuse yourself eventually as well.

Oh I'm a fan of him. He was a satire/parody of professional wrestlers (Hulk Hogan if I'm not mistaken) using steroids in the ring, as well as the fear of "DERKO DERBS!!" And he was a tough foe for the 'bots to fight. Plus, he was pretty funny in his tiny old shrimp mode.

 

So he says.

But if Trion knew the future so well, why did he send them in a way that allowed the Decepticons to gain access to them?

It's a WHOLE lotta bullshit that Trion sent that stuff to aid Optimus. The entire "Oh I can see into the future and I'm going to send a ton of random shit to help you in a VERY unpredictable and unreliable way in the hope that you have a shovel in the future."

So why couldn't he predict that every relic except the Star Saber would either be useless or a massive disadvantage to the Autobots in the hands of the Decepticons?

If he was really so all-seeing, he would've had a WAY more elaborate, intuitive plan besides "leave a bunch of random shit on Earth." It's contrivance at it's finest.

So could a regular, dedicated guy. None of those options require a fundamental biological distinction. EVERY Soundwave has been that, even the not-untypical ones. How does any of that explain him being somehow unaverage for his species?

No it doesn't.

YOU mean that, but the show doesn't. The show never explained that, or even implied that. Because it had no INTENTION of following up on that statement.

 

Seeing that they were never brought up again they are.

 

Nah those were just threads they never followed up on, not actual plot holes.
A plot hole is when the plot contradicts itself. 3 people have explained this already so no need to re explain.  

Not resolving a plot thread is not a plot hole. There's a huge difference!

And Happy New Year 2014!

 

In terms of plot holes, I can't remember a whole lot.

In terms of hanging plot threads....well....I've given them below.

Who cares

Alpha Trion's designation of them to Earth.

Airachnid being able to control the Insecticons is more like it

Not a plot thread. That was a plot device.

Soundwave's arc is done. Leave that to the next show if they want to bring him back.

Shockwave is likely cloning an empire for Predaking.

Not really.

Thirteen came first I think.

I think the Thirteen created them. Not sure.

Because that one was probably the one who made them.

After the cataclysm, it's likely that they decided to create beings that were less primitive. The Predacons were probably some sort of learning curve.

Why wouldn't they?

lol

Thank you

Only one I will agree with, though since Raf could understand coding since he was three according to The Hub's "Raf's Notes," it may be because of that.

Terrorpreds thought he was dead

He wasn't dead

aka Hasbro vetoed his death

When you've got explosives, it's kind of easy to destroy a bunch of rocks.

Stasis pods are made to sustain extreme conditions. It's how stasis pods are able to crash-land without blowing the hell up.

Plot convenience. I had forgotten all about it, actually.

We don't know how long it took for Bulkhead to heal. Though I was angry with this.

The Decepticons have thousands of high-tech weapons and materials along with an ass-load of energon at their disposal while the Autobots are living off of scraps found in the garbage and foreign, puny-as-shit technology found at the base, and you're asking why Ratchet couldn't replace Ultra Magnus' hands lickity-split?!

*sigh* This is part of the reason why I seldom post here nowadays.

Again, who cares?

Nemesis Prime was just a plot device so that Silas could get critically injured in order to be built into Breakdown, which resulted in the Synthetic Energon experiments which eventually lead to Cybermatter and subsequently the restoration of Cybertron.

Doesn't seem like that mech went to waste.

Sending relics to aid Optimus in winning the war that Alpha Trion most likely foresaw anyway is not dumb.

If it was going to end in favor of the Autobots anyway, why tamper with the inevitable to potentially change the outcome?

Same way we over-obsessive toy collectors and cartoon-enthusiasts can be considered unacceptable or unaverage?

 

Or they could have just discovered Cybermatter from the start and not used it as the unsatisfying finale to three entirely separate storylines.

 

So just because you don't care, it's not a plot hole?

That's not really how storytelling works. You can't just dismissively ignore stuff because it's uninteresting. Unless you're the Prime writers, I guess.

Which, as has been picked apart already, is really fucking flimsy and contrived.

Which ALSO wasn't explained.

Still unresolved, regardless.

Soundwave has routinely proved to be quite crafty, and was a prominent charatcer. You can't just stuff him in a box and ignore him. It's lazy.

"Likely" is not an explanation. It shouldn't be up to the fans to decide what happens to lose ends.

Yes really. You can't just leave them roaming around.

This is a large problem with Prime and a major indicator of it's poorly thought-out mythos. It tries to combine religion, evolutional history, and mythological origins into one ugly mess. The Thirteen is promoted so much with such factual grounds that it's an infallible concept, but yet nothing matches up with it, like the Predacons. The entire timeline of the Thirteen is unclear, how they supposedly created everything at once, but the Predacons are quite clearly the Cybertronian Dinosaurs. So now we have an origin of Thirteen dudes who made the world, but made Predacons first, then they died out and the 13 made new Cybertronians, and all without the Thirteen being physically present in modern times for whatever reaosn.

Then what about everyone else? Did they just wait patiently for eons?

"Probably' "I think" and "Likely" are a lot of words you don't want to use when trying to dispute and arguement on a factual basis, especially one about the lack of facts and explained elements.

That's not how the origin of the 13 plays it out.

Because they can apparently be cloned? Granted that's mostly due to Prime's total ambiguity over how Transformers come into being. Then again, since it took often times ridiculous steps to explain their anatomy, this certainly sticks out as an awkward lack of information.

Transformaers Energon is full of "technical resolutions."

That's not what coding is.

This plot point is especially annoyign since it was one dropped off immediately when the series began, and was almost never even touched upon, let alone explored. All that time wasted on fetch-quest filler and they didn't bother to spend any of it on a real plot line. It's one of the most insultingly bungled aspects of the show.

That doesn't explain it.

Why show a character's impending death if you're not going to kill them? At least explain it. Was it really THAT hard to show a brief clip of his escaping or fighting them all off in a certain way? Or even a line dropped?

That's not an explanation. Unicron is supposedly so tough, yet all his avatar's have the structural integrity of sandcastles.

Also, rocks are pretty hard, man. That's why miners don't just aimlessly chuck cartoon sticks of TNT into mountains. They actually don't break very easily unless you delicately and carefully pick out faults and fractures, and chain explosions in certain ways.

The Decepticons blew up the base. Also, nothign in Prime indicates stasis pods are Beast Wars-style crash-land pods. They're quite obviously stationary things. And even if, the base was destroyed by a warship.

More like plot "contrivance."

"Convenience" is Smokescreen returning back from a patrol or something just as the base is destroyed. Him getting back despite groundbridging makes no sense. It's impossible given the show's rules.

Too quickly, considerign it was supposed to be a grave, life-long injury.

I could've been fine with Bulkhead being out of commission if they said he was only going to be out for a while, but they outright said he'd never be the same again.

Because Ratchet is a fucking medic, and supposedly a great one? They may be advanced, but they ARE robots. Making a halfway decent hand should easily be within his power. At the very, bare minimum least he should've been able to bend the fingers into more useful shapes instead of leaving them useless deformed hook shapes.

Still not an explanation.

Oh it absolutely did. Almost a full season's time spent building up to it, and it's gone forever afetr one outing, and is never attempted again.

Yes it is.

Just chucking a crateload of weapons to Earth, LONG before Optimus will be there, only to ahve them scatter and get stolen up by Decepticons and make Opitmus' ife that much harder is dumb. If he really wanted to help, he send them AFTER Optimus was on Earth, or directly to him before he left.

Because it would've saved him and the Autobots a lot of grief?

Just because we won world war 2, doesn't mean I'd try and stop Hitler before his rise to power if I could.

Ah yes, because as we all know, toy collectors have a fundamental, biological difference from other human beings that calls their sentience and humanity into question.  

You've got to be kidding me.

The Silas/Synth-En/Cybermatter storyline really just goes to show how the writers had no God damn clue where they were going with things. Cybermatter was supposed to be the big thing for restoring Cybertron, and like everything in Prime, was a big ol' random accident.

 

Ratchet never said Soundwave was a different species altogether with fundamental, biological differences, or that he was unaverage. All he said was Soundwave wasn't a normal Cybertronian. How did you get all that from "not normal"?

I'm pretty confident that when we say another human isn't "normal", we aren't calling into question their sentience and humanity....we're just saying they aren't mainstream.

I guess wiggling chest tentacles at people isn't a normal part of Cybertronian society. Or, you know, not having a face. And not talking by choice. And having spy doodads pop out of every orifice. Or being a walking space bridge troll. If anything, he's not normal because he's above average.

 

Because the context was over wether or not to torture and/or dissect him for information.

If Soundwave's stamp collection is the only thing seperating him from from a hacksaw to the brain I'm not sure I want the Autobots on my side. The entire reason Ratchet mentioned it was because he wanted to physically extract the information from Soundwave in an inhumane manner, using the grounds that he was not normal as his reasoning.

 

You're right I forgot the context. I'll need to rewatch then. My bad, Split.

 

Not exactly a plothole, but did they ever specify who, if anyone, was cleaning up the Vehicon corpses from every battle? (Or did M.E.C.H. have a mile-high stack of them?)