New Transformers Universe (Classics 2.0) and Botcon Exclusive images

I don't understand why everybody is going nuts over Nightbeat PERIOD. Nobody cares about any of the other Headmasters. Nobody really cares about any G1 characters except for the main handful they always use.

Tankor, Blurr + Nightbeat = lose

I agree, while the first version of Blurr that we saw with only one eye was already impressive (to me at least), I think that the mechanical eye looks even better! I also think that it makes more sense, while a Transformer can get along without a headcrest (like Animated Ratchet), a missing optic would only be a disadvantage on the battlefield.

While the mold isn't the greatest, it is the best one for Nightbeat IMO. As I've stated a few times already, it's the arms that bother me most about the mold, but whatcha gonna do I guess.

Marvel and IDW both have decided to feature him more than anyone else from his "wave".

I wouldn't mind seeing a Siren and Hosehead from Energon molds, we are due for repaints of those molds.

BotCon exclusives have some shit molds.

oh man these pics make them look cheap. they almost look like LOC's.

Eh to be completely honest, I don't know if it's the pure TF pride some of you guys have or you actually do like them (and I respect that 100%) but in my opinion I must say they look like shit. The molds are not bad as they are the same as the protos but the paint jobs are waaaay off from the previous pics we've seen before (which I do know of course it is way different from test-shots to actual product) so much that it's almost like comparing an alternator to knock offs, they look amazingly cheap.

I also do wish that these are not the final products as many of you have said. I'm not even sure if mistransformation would be the problem in these pics, and as for saying they are "pictured wrong", I don't quite get it. I would much rather not be deceived by the pictures with their "I only look good in these angles" but instead exactly how it would look in my hands after I transform them.

Either way, I'm looking forward to the final final products.

Can't wait to see them properly transformed.

Look nice, but why in the hell couldn't they just leave the windows on Prowl and Streaker straight up transparent? If you're going to tint them that much, then you may as well just have them be painted opaque plastic (which looks like absolute shit! glass= transparent, not blue/black paint on a solid fucking background!)
From the proto pics, as well as the glimmer of internal parts on other painted pics, we know they used transparent plastic for those parts (or were at least planning to) so why so dark?
Oh, and to the "look at the movie figures" argument for painted on versus clear windows: yeah, the paint on the doors for one of my 3 cc Bumblebee figures might look a little sloppy, but the painted on windows on both of my 70's BBs look far sloppier by comparison (and even worse still when you look at them from the other side and where there should be some representation of glass is just solid yellow plastic. yeah, that looks fantastic). On all the other movie figures I have that use clear plastic for glass, NONE of them look anywhere near as cheap and generally shitty looking as those 70's Bumblebees do with their painted on glass. And thats not even taking into account TFs from before the movie (does anybody honestly think figures like Armada Hotshot and Energon Ironhide actually benefited from having painted on windows instead of clear plastic?! What if the Alternators line used painted opaque plastic instead of clear for windows and such? Would that have made them look better?
Anyways, other than overly dark window tint (which hopefully may not look so bad in person) the Classics figures all look great (yes, even Tankor). Nightbeat looks neat (I never had any problems with the mold initially, and I'll take any Headmaster updates we can get! even if they aren't actually Headmasters anymore....

I've never understood the appeal of translucent windows either. Why do you want that? So you can see the folded up robot parts inside? Or worse, a robot head staring back at you?(I'm looking at you Armada Red Alert). Solid or opaque windows just maintains the illusion better.

oh wow these could give animated a run for its money the sunsteaker is a must buy prowl is a must buy the botcon jazz is so awsome but its a botcon exclusive so i will never have it

Blurr's head is... wow... I like most of these, but man that head sucks.

Does...does Jazz have eyebrows over his headlamps? Why?

Comment on Prowl - to me, it looks like he has translucent windows all right.

You can tell in robot mode.

Most people who prefer clear/translucent windows want them because they're more 'realistic', but like you said, if all you see inside is a wad of robot bits I'm all for tinting or outright blacking them out. I'd imagine Prowl and Sunstreaker would be pretty bad for visible robot interior since their primary plastic colors are white and yellow, respectively.

'Cause he's EEEEEEVIL Jazz, durnit!

Holy shit I must have Prowl.

what the hell is it about these pictures that makes all of the classics suddenly look horrible? they looked marvelous in the hasbro pics, but these? ugh, they look like horrible ko's.

My biggest problem with the transparent windows is that the painted transparent pieces often do not mesh well with the colored plastic used for the rest of the toy. If the windows were transparent inserts, than I would prefer them to opaque windows. As it stands, I like the first Bumblebee's windows better than the concept version, even though I like the '08 toy better.

oh man ... not sure what happened, but Sunstreaker and Prowl look really awful.

prowl and sunny ftw

I'm diggin the new classics, but I'm so glad I passed on botcon this year.

He's trying to get a job with Pixar, on the Cars sequel.

I think the whole figure is horrid.


And sadly, Sunstreaker remains the only deffinate buy for me out of the new Classics. Octane is a possibility, Prowl is a no.

Evil Jazz rocks. I love how they painted the details on the vehicle mode to make the car look angry.

Also, painted windows>clear windows.

no instructions happened.

Mistransformations + Bad Lighting = Awful looking figures.

No worries here w/ the Universe line.

eh I'll get Nightbeat and slap some shaped styrene on the head as antennas...

Sunstreakers head on the other hand... uke

OH SCULPT-BOT!!!!!

ether that or Robot heros Sunstreaker's head will be modified to fit the figure.

here's to hoping for translucent windows. solid plastic with paint is sucky...

Because transculent windows gives them a higher quality toy model appeareance. Do you really think the G1 toys, for example, would have benifited from solid windows? Giving these guys opaque windows has nothing with Hasbro trying to make them more aesthetically pleasing, its just them cutting corners, which tends to make me appreciate their products quite a bit less.

Translucent windows + Rubber Tires = Higher quality figures.

Geez ... the amount of complaining in this thread is depressing.

TCC Nightbeat: I never got all the hate the mold receives. I always liked it enough (not my favorite though), and I think it's a great mold for Nightbeat. The "final" product looks amazing. Hopefully it's available at Botcon.

Botcon Toys: still liking Blurr's vehicle mode, but not so excited about his bot mode. Ricochet looks better on these pics than before ... and he's "free" so no complaints there. And it's cool Jazz is frowning in car mode.

Universe Classics:
- Sunstreaker keeps getting better and better: my favorite of the wave.
- Prowl's mistransformation detracts from the look of the toy, but there's a lot of potential there: no complaints from me.
- NotOctane still has small wings, but other than that both vehicle modes look great. The poses on robot mode definetely don't help the toy though.

Yeah, those clear windows on Brawn and Bumblebee sure look grea...

-airfox

I think they looked better before. They (sunstreaker/prowl) kinda look like minicons...I thought Streaker was Primes Minicon from Armada....but it probably wont stop me from getting them...

Classiverse seems the line to produce the ultimate in fickle behavior.

Original announcement + concept art - "OMG Classics back! I know it'll be perfect!"

badly transformed club photos - "Holy crap these are terrible! So much for Classics 2!"

Properly-done photos of gray protos - "OMG best line evar!"

NY Toyfair pictures - "Why's Galvatron so tiny and Powerglide so huge? Ruined forever!"

More unflattering test shot pics - "They look like crap again, so they must be crap ... again!"

Gotta love the interent fan community. Lets just get these damn things on shelves already, so people can have an actual opinion based on their own experience.

Yeah, I can't fathom all the complaining. And the fact that people are thinking that one that the windows on the Classics 2.0 figurs are opaque (and not translucent - they're translucent) and two why people would ever like opaque windows over translucent (as some posters have said). It boggles the mind.

Randy

badly transformed added with bad lighting...So bad it seemed like it was done purposely.

I honestly don't care what anyone thinks about this line, I want Hasbro to freaking release this damn line already becasue I want this line now!!!!! Why in the world do I have to wait till Fall '08? To me, theres no point!! Just release the toys and make me and a bunch of other fans very happy!!! HASBRO RELEASE THE DAMN CLASSICVERSE TOYS NOW!!!!!

Take a deep breath...





Now exhale


Feeling better now?

...no!

*projectile-mouthfoams*

While the photos of the new Universe figures aren't flatering, they don't ruin the figures for me. The only thing I currently don't like about any of them, is Prowl's light bar, but even that isn't a big enough problem to stop me from buying him when he comes out. No interest here in the Botcon stuff, though there are some interesting peices coming from it this year.

Prowl's pure love, honey!

Oops! Not forgetting Nightbeat too. Would be great if he comes with a Headmaster driver like his G1 counterpart.

I must be looking at different pictures of the 2.0 figures than some of you guys; mildly mistranformed (moreso Prowl) and they're not airbrushed like the promo pics (which still had paint apps that looked far shittier than these, despite being touched up) and Tankor has some spectacularly bad lighting but I don't see anything there that makes the figures themselves look bad. Is it the sudden revelation that "hey, these are going to be made from plastic" (like most other modern TFs) that is causing the problem?
Anyways, aside from concerns over window tint, Prowl and Streaker look like they're going to be excellent figures (and what I can see peeking out from the shadows of Tankor looks like he'll be pretty neat too).

Word. Only time I think translucent windows are better is if there's actually enough room to have a realistic interior visible inside (like on Movie Jazz or the Alternators).

To attempt to clear things up: Prowl and SS are colored plastic in these shots, as they will be in the final toy.
Prowl and SS were painted resin in the Toyfair photos.

Yellow and White plastic looks translucent and "plastic-y". That's why these look cheap. Buy a can of yellow and white spray paint and stop complaining.



Also: All of you people on the "painted windows" side are nuts. Gimme clear windows no matter what is showing through.

Prowl and SS both use transparent (albeit tinted) plastic for the windows (excluding Prowl's rear window, which is evidently white plastic painted black... the resin protos had clear plastic for the windows (you can't paint something to make it "clear"), and there are Toyfair pics that show them from proper angles where you can see (vaguely visible) things through them. The pic of Prolw in bot mode in this thread, if you look at the edges of the windows (conveniently turned towards the camera) you can see from the edge that they are cast in translucent plastic (looks gray, which doesn't appear to be a plastic color used anywhere else on the mold).
If need be, I'll post the Toyfair pics (and resin proto pics) that illustrate this, but unless the final figures will be different from everything we've seen thus far, the windows (again, excluding Prowl's rear window, which has been opaque right along) have all been tinted transparent (or translucent) plastic.

Eh, figured I'd post pics now just to pre-empt any questions or controversy later:



If you look at the windshield on both, you can see a pair of hinges (likely for the shoulder cannons in bot mode). They're hard to see on the Toyfair pic, but you can definitely see them (the hinge on the car's passenger side being the clearer of the two). They are see through (just evidently really dark).




On Streaker, you can see the details through the windshield on the proto, and if you look closely, those same details (particularly those 2 rectangular holes) can be seen through the windshield at Toy Fair too.

Personally, I love translucent plastic, along with metallic, and all the other types of "special effect" plastic. When it comes to windows, I simply prefer whichever looks better on that particular figure. For example, I think translucent looks better on figures like the Alternators and Binaltech figures. Regardless of the photography quality of these photos, the figures themselves look fine to me.

I believe though, that Hasbro did state that Classics 2.0 was to contain realistic forms, and it seems that the dark tinted windows in the Toy Fair photos match up with that train of thought.

I've tended to assume the windows on Prowl and Sunstreaker are/were/will be clear, but tinted perhaps a bit darker than usual to help obscure the (white/yellow) robot bits underneath. That dark, they may appear opaque under certain photographic conditions.

And it wouldn't obscure anything to use colored plastic for Prowl's windshield, because the interior is still visible through the open side windows. I see no reason the window wouldn't be opaque if not clear.

Well, I simply love to be "nuttier" & choose tinted/painted windows.

Definitely liking the Classics lads, even the overly small Octane. Obviously the mistransforming doesn't help, but hell, we've seen what they look like when transformed correctly, so that's not really a problem. I'm pretty indifferent to the Botcon figs really; I don't love the new headsculpts - Jazz is the best, but still not that good - and for some reason I don't really 'feel' Ricochet. I think it's the fact that the paintjob's completely different from what he's had before, and because he's only seen one or two previous releases the character's not ingrained enough with me to be able to survive the change. I think he'd have worked a lot better with a black hull and a flamejob - sort of like Space Marine Legion of the Damned - a dark, brooding feel.
Nightbeat's got a nice paintjob, but I really don't think it and the new head improve the mould enough to justify the presumed asking price.

By the way, I'm a nutter too; unless the fig has an actual interior in vehicle mode, I prefer painted windows - being able to see all the robot parts inside doesn't enhance the feeling of 'quality' to me...

Wow Prowl really doesn't look as kick-ass as in those earlier pics..