[preview]An anonymous source has provided TFW2005 with the DPCIs from Target that will be used for the various size classes and sublines for the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen toyline. The listing reveals that essentially all size classes and sublines return from the toyline for the first movie plus include the addition of other new sublines. Among the new sublines coming out include Gravity Bots, Helmet Roleplay and Mega Power Bots. There are two listings for Combiners, one of which is assumed to be the listing for the Superion/Bruticus Maximus assortment. Lastly, there is an entry marked as a “Human Driver”, will it be reminiscent of the drivers from the Diaclone days?
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An anonymous source has provided TFW2005 with the DPCIs from Target that will be used for the various size classes and sublines for the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen toyline. The listing reveals that essentially all size classes and sublines return from the toyline for the first movie plus include the addition of other new sublines. Among the new sublines coming out include Gravity Bots, Helmet Roleplay and Mega Power Bots. There are two listings for Combiners, one of which is assumed to be the listing for the Superion/Bruticus Maximus assortment. Lastly, there is an entry marked as a “Human Driver”, will it be reminiscent of the drivers from the Diaclone days? The listings are as follows:
087-06-0111 TF MV2 Deluxe Figures
087-06-0115 TF MV2 Scout Figures
087-06-0119 Transformers MV2 Optimus Prime Helm
087-06-0120 TF MV2 Voyager
087-06-0122 TF MV2 Leader
087-06-0125 TF MV2 Gravity Bots
087-06-0127 Transbattler MV2 FAB
087-06-0128 TF MV2 Robot Replicas
087-06-0131 TF MV2 Robot Hero Scene
087-06-0139 Tran Weapon MV2 Robot Weapons
087-06-0141 Trans Helmet MV2 Helmet Roleplay
087-06-0146 TF MV2 Combiners
087-06-0162 TF MV2 Ultimate Bumblebee
087-06-0163 TF MV2 Power bots
087-06-0164 TF MV2 Mega Power bots
087-06-0171 TF MV2 Legends
087-06-0294 TRA Combiner TF MV2
0R10N P4X
Developping and marketing toys isn't only about oil you know… Wages have increased, shipping costs have increased, etc.
Iron Spider-Man
Yes, but its not "now", its five months away. The Smokescreen and Dinobot I bought today should not have been $7.79, realistically, if the oil prices were the contributing factor. Heck, the reset price for WM after their four or five months of $7.77 deluxes should be a higher price, as well, IMO, instead of $9.96, it should be $11.99 or $12.99 or whatever WM is going to have Movie deluxes at. And you're right, there's no way a doubling of the price of oil is making the toys double, but 1/3 is still rather extreme.
Then again, this could just be Target's new Movie figures price, honestly, like their Clone Wars figures were (are?) $8 and WM's are $7. Or, maybe Target just has messed up information five months prior.
airfox
I don't know. From $20.46 in 1998 to around $30 now, that's a 50% increase. It's not like the toys are going from $9.99 to $14.99.
And if they're using plastics manufactured from oil purchased when the prices were higher, there's another reason to explain "why now?"
P.S.: I thought the oil prices in 1996 were closer to $8. Turns out that was in 1998.
-airfox
SKowl
Try living in Canada – even when our dollar was on-par with yours, Deluxe toys here still cost 14.99$.
Iron Spider-Man
Compared to the price of oil in the mid-90s, its not altogether that much more right now, figuring in inflation. (Its gone from $20.46 in 1996, $11.91 in 1998, rising in 2003 – 2004, then spiking from 2005 on to declining sharply in Nov. of 2008)
Sure it went up in the past few years, but its also come back down. If the figures didn't go up in price the last couple of years, (which would have been the logical time for them to go up, because 2005 – 2008 is the culmination of when oil was at its highest, 2007 and 2008 being the very highest until Nov. 2008, and now we're finally reaching 2004 prices again), there's really no reason for them to go up in price in the middle of this year, unless the Illuminati is feeding them secret information that we don't know.
Like I said, I could see $10.99 or $11.99 being the new standard price, but for them to basically go up from $9.99 to $12.99? That's ridiculous.
(Oil prices from HISTORY OF CRUDE OIL PRICES, btw)
airfox
What about comparing Oil Prices with 1996? IIRC Deluxes haven't increased much in price during the past 12 years in the U.S.
Wonder how much the price will be increased here.
Man! What did they do to you?
-airfox
Ravenxl7
Actually, the price crease isn't all that bad, or all that surprising, imo. It does help make the $100 pricetag on one of the gestalt listings make a bit more sense. I'll probably just buy less this year. I'm hoping that they come up with new mold Voyagers for Prime and Megs, and a Voyager mold for Jetfire. That way I can get those instead of Leader class figures. I'll still be getting most of my TF's from Target though (I will NEVER buy ANYTHING from Walmart EVER again).
Optimus Prime
Hopefully Wal-Mart will sell them cheaper, like they do now with Deluxes.
Iron Spider-Man
At the Target near me that has a DPCI lookup box, I found out a few things…
087-06-0111 TF MV2 Deluxe Figures are $12.99 (!)
087-06-0115 TF MV2 Scout Figures are $8.99
087-06-0122 TF MV2 Leader are $44.99
087-06-0125 TF MV2 Gravity Bots are $12.99 (I think?)
087-06-0127 Transbattler MV2 FAB are $ $10.99 (I think?)
087-06-0128 TF MV2 Robot Replicas $10.99
I couldn't remember the Voyager codes off the top of my head (these are all fairly easy to remember honestly, but for some reason I didn't think of punching in 0120 for the last four numbers =/) so I am not sure how much those are in relation to the new price of deluxes, which I think is ridiculous. $10.99 is fine, maybe even $11.99, but $12.99? When oil is at the lowest its been in quite sometime? Ridiculous. Also, no, I don't have any proof, but I might be able to get some in the next few days.
Edit: Went to Target on Wednesday the 28th. The (new?) Voyager pricepoint is
087-06-0120 TF MV2 Voyager $21.99
S_Windell
QFT! G1 gestalts are getting sold on eBay and elsewhere for 100+ USD every day! I don't think it's jumping too far out on a limb to think this new toy will not be such a brick and likely a bit larger than the old school ones. Also, I remember earlier many people were hoping for a movie Devastator toy of "epic" level! But I guess not at a somewhat epic price…
Didn't BBTS sell the CR redeco for 199.99, or around there? And you'd think they'd overprice a desirable import like this. So, yeah, that guess, 140-160 seems reasonable.
I hope the name is Devastator and one is named Bonecrusher. I don't think it'd be too big a deal, really, outside of fandom. Most of my adult friends have seen the first movie and don't even remember Ironhide's name. I know one guy even calls Bumblebee "Yellowjacket"!
Yeah, name slapping in the first film retconned into proper names in the second is a gripe for serious fans. But, realistically, most of the audience are not.
Hmm…that'd make the toy itself a 75$ value in my old neighborhood.
Ravenxl7
Construction vehicle-bot=/= Constructicon all the time. Scout class Dirt Boss can technically be considered a construction vehicle, but as far as we know he has no connection to the Consttructicons. Though now that we've seen pictures of a shovel-bot with an alt-mode that's known to be one of the CC's alt-modes, I'm thinking that he's the triple-changer we've heard about. But I do think his three modes will be alt-mode, gestalt-mode, and bot-mode. I honestly can't see that thing turning into a weapon.
J Migidy
This came from me saying that Hasbro might take the lazy way out and just repaint Arcee from the original movie line rather then invest in some kind of three bike combo toy. I'll give a real world example. A mother spends all day making a beautiful Thanksgiving turkey. She brines it. Then stuffs it with aromatics then spends hours basting and re seasoning. Then she skimps on the gravy to save time or whatever. She buys store bought gravy which sucks compared to homemade. She went all out on the turkey and then took the lazy way out on the gravy. Is this contradictory? No. It doesn't take away from what she did good. She still made a great turkey. It just sucks that she didn't take the time to make an equally good gravy.
Only time will tell if they went and made a brand new three bike combiner toy for Arcee or even if they made a new single bike mold for her. All I'm saying is that if they just repaint her original movie line mold I won't be surprised.
J Migidy
It's not contradictory. I gave them credit where credit was due but called them out on some of their other decisions like repainting or just changing the head on something. Lets forget Ultimate Bumblebee. There have been other examples of this. Again…the laziness comment is in reference to some "lazy" things they have done. Isolated cases.
Fit For natalie
Cybertron Scourge was loaded with electronics and had bad articulation for his size class.
Ephland
Wouldn't that be… the Constructicons?
RedAlert Rescue
My thoughts are similar to the earlier posters in that i'd guess a Mega Power Bot is like a Cyber Stomper, and the $99.99 item is that giant Devastator Boxed set we heard so much about some months ago.
I do hope one of the retailers takes some repacks of the Real Gear Robots though the last few of them were hard to get and a re-release of the last few as twinpacks would be great.
I'm actually disapointed that Hasbro did not make something equivellent to an Ultra something that retails for $24.99 or $28.99 or $32.99 or something like that – a little smaller than a leader and ideally like a Voyager toy a toy with lots of detail but no sound effects.
I think a scale like that would be idea for Ironhide, Ratchet, The Fallen, Starscream characters who might miss out on the leader class – as Hasbro tend to not make to many leaders.
I wish they'd dump that pointless Ultimate Bumblebee re-issue/remake and sell another Leader though.
Perhaps we can get 4 leaders if they don't make any Animated leader toys for 2009 ?
We know about Optimus, but obviously another one is going to be either Jetfire or the Fallen (unless Jetfire is a Supreme – but I'm doubtful of that). but if those are hogging the leader slot where the love for the Leaderclass Starscream so many want.
I'd be happy with an Ultra Starscream, but I think that is improbably due to Hasbro's difficulty in selling Ultras – they'd have been more likely to sell Ultra's if they packed them in robot mode and had held them back for the Movie line rather that doing them in Universe – I'd say Powerglide is as much responsble for killing the Ultra Class as the poor electronics, poor price for size, and poor packing is.
I bet they could be bigger if they'd ditched the Electronics some of the coolest toys made years ago were Ultra – things like Armada Tidal Wave or Cybertron Scourge for example.
I just think sometimes Voyager scale is to small.
Fit For natalie
A good guess based upon the (admittedly) scant information at hand. Besides, the sole justification you and others in this thread have offered is "it seems too hard to do to me, so they'll probably not bother."
Three bikes combining into a design that came from one bike. It's fairly unlikely given movie production folk would most likely not reuse discarded concept art that has been publicly revealed and used for merchandising. Typically productions return to previously unused concepts if they have not been used elsewhere.
It's entirely possible that Hasbro thinks the previous modern Camaro Bumblebee can't be improved (it is one of the most impressive Deluxe class Transformers ever made, and frankly, in the class of car-robot type Transformers, has yet to be bettered by any other Movie or Universe car). And Ultimate Bumblebee, they invested a lot into it, and there's not much opportunity to reuse it, so there you go.
That is contradictory. How is making new molds related to cutting corners and being a generally a bad thing?
Repaints are a fact of life considering the investment and manhours put into every mold.
Ravenxl7
When did we hear that? I honestly don't remember ever hearing about that. Last I knew we really didn't know anything about them other than their alt-modes, the fact there are seven of them, and the fact that they'll combine into a gestalt. I do remember hearing about a combiner that'll have a construction themed alt-mode (said to be a "shovel"), but it was never stated to have any connection to the Constructicons, and the way it sounded it was a normal triple changer in that it would have a bot-mode and two alt-modes of some kind.
airfox
Somehow that sounded to me like a contradiction. As in Hasbro's lazy for cutting corners on some products but they also make toys not in the movie for the extra buck, which you have to agree isn't lazy at all.
I think you should see it from the "extra buck" perspective.
1) Making extra characters for the extra buck? Check.
2) Reusing existing molds for the extra buck? Check.
If you think about it, the deluxe Concept Camaro Bumblebee was one of the best toys from the first movie, so perhaps Hasbro consciously (sp?) decided that there was no way to have a better Bumblebee in that scale with their current tech.
Ultimate Bumblebee is a whole different game: it's a mold that isn't easily repaintable (some people say it was a poor seller. Now imagine trying to sell it as Cliffjumper!), and as we know, Hasbro reuses most of their molds – for the extra buck.
So IMO it makes sense to rerelease UBB this time around … what better repaint for UBB than another UBB with some different pieces?
-airfox
Squints
No, that was something else. What we know as of yet is that there's going to be a "Devastator" toy (no idea what they'll do about the name) that is comprised of seven constructions vehicles, six of which will also have their own robot modes and one of which (a truss crane, IIRC) will have no robot mode, only a vehicle mode, combined mode, and possibly some form of weapon mode.