Rumor: More Information on Revenge of the Fallen Devastator Gestalt Toy

Hummm..just like universe ultra silverbolt, then a universe superion.

Im seeing a trend in hasbro...its lamb and stupid.

I just hope it is better quality than the Robot Replicas.

I have a hard time believing this is true, unless it's a "PowerBots/CyberStomper" thing for the kiddies.

The last set of new combiners featured beautiful alt modes, fully articulated individual modes, and (with the exception of the hand/feet issue) reasonably decent gestalt modes.

I don't believe that with the knowledge/experience/technology HasTak has gained five years down the road since Energon, somehow creating a seven piece combiner that has these same features and some significant improvements would be beyond their abilities. Give those guys some credit.

Maybe the problem is Hasbro looking at them as robots that "need" each other. How about looking at them, I dunno, as transformers in their own right? I mean come on - if we're having 7 deluxes that combine, that's still seven DELUXES. Those should be full toys in their own right. Yeah, they combine - but Hasbro should focus on the former rather than the latter. Then maybe we'll finally get a decent gestalt...

If Hasbro's "more involved" in the design process this time, why the hell COULDN'T they design the toys in tandem with the movie peeps to create something that adequately represents all three modes? It's not like we need perfection - Movie 1 proved that. Just close...

So what - the other six construction vehicles form a sort of "armor" for the one leader?

I guess Devastator is no different than Arcee's bot mode made of 3 motorcycles. Vehicles merging to create one robot, like Duocons, only with more vehicles.

I'm gonna wait and see.

If movie Devastator ends up looking like a scrapmetal mess like movie Megs, I may pass on it. I didn't buy Megs and Starscream, I'm not really obligued to Devastator.

And yes, I agree that a movie-verse 7-bot combiner would be an engineering nightmare of a toy.

And I also agree that Hasbro will give it to us in the premium line, six months after the movie debut.

well, if your not going to do it right, don't do it at all.

Hrrmmm. If true, I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it probably means the individual toys will be better overall because they don't have to worry about a third mode. On the other hand, it means that we won't have a "true" Movie Devastator that doesn't "cheat"...

I don't find this disappointing. Modern combiners, I usually have them only in combined mode anyway, because so often the individual robot modes are themselves disappointing. This way we get a good combiner AND good individuals. They're just not the same toys.

And since Hasbro likes (lately) to provide multiple VERSIONS of characters anyway, it's stoning two birds. And I can skip one or the other if I like.

I would bet money they chose to spend more time and money figuring out and executing Prime and Jetfires combination which will be their flag ship characters.

Word. And that's one thing I've always found disappointingly ironic about the Movie designs - for all their 'realism' and whatever else, not a single one of them has managed to successfully translate to a toy. A couple of them have come close, but they have yet to make even one Movie toy that pulls off a 'real' looking alt mode and a 'screen accurate' bot mode. Even that Supreme Class Bumblebee thing, which had a bigger mold to work with, completely failed.

This is why I think they should have used something like Alternators as their template since, as we have seen, they're the only Transformers so far that pull off 'real world' alt modes that obide by proper laws of physics to transform into articulated bot modes. If they could have used an Alt template and refined certain things like the skinny shoulders and whatnot, they would have had a near perfect hybrid for the Movie where they maintained recognizable 'old school' aesthetics with the moderized real designs that Bay (and I'm sure most of us) wanted.

Just my two cents.

I think we should at least wait till some prototype pictures start showing up before judging them.

I can't wait for the new movie line

Am I supposed to RAGE at this? For my toy habits it is all about the End Result. If the End Result is win, then I don't care how they may have cheated or cheaped out to get there.

Pass. I might pick up the Gestalt, but I was really hoping for transforming parts. Shame that the toys can't have the same gimmicks as the film. (Oh snap!)

Do we know the film will have all sentient robots combining and not a combination of sentient robots and vehicle drones? Maybe this IS film-accurate.

Awwww... that bites.

I guess now the best we can hope for are nice Deluxe figures with good kitbash potential.

zmog

If it were such a simple thing to have fixed those proportional problems with Alts that you're talking about, why wouldn't they have done that to BEGIN with? I would hope that Takara's designers would be professional enough not to overlook such things.

LIES! Devastator needs transforming limbs or else Voltron will want to be friends again!

I'll pretty much get what I like.

If the Devastator combiner looks good but the Deluxes don't, I'll get it.

If the Deluxes look good but I don't like the combiner, I'll get them.

Of course, I might just get the combiner and the 'bots; right now, that's what I think I'm going to do, but I won't know for sure 'till I see their toys.

I'm really happy that there's going to be so many Decepticons in this movie, though: It'll be great having a whole army of the bad guys spilling over two shelves of more.

I would rather have 2 sets of toys that each have great modes than have 1 set but have to make sacrifices in the looks and playability.

That's what I think too.

That's like asking "why didn't G1 toys look & transform like Classics to begin with?". It's basic advancement of engineering. Where Alts are concerned, maybe it was just a matter of sticking with what did the trick. It's not to say they couldn't still get better.

And that's why I said "used Alts as a *template*". I didn't say they should have used the Alt designs exactly as they are. Then again, I wouldn't have minded if they did. Even with the weak points like skinny shoulders or plate mounted heads, they still - in my opinion - perfectly fill that magic void of old school aesthetic & recognition with modernized real world functionality & believability. The Movie toys, on the other hand, ended up exactly like G1 in the sense that not one of them translated to toy form the way it appeared on screen. Deluxe Bumblebee looks fairly close in both modes, sure, but at the expense of a completely different transformation.

I'm not trashing the Movie or anything like that. As I originally said, I just find it ironic that all these real life designs have yet to ever get toys showcasing this supposed real life accuracy.

This looks like an opportunity for me and other kitbashers.

Suckville: population, us.

FAIL...

I can't say I'm too shocked by this, I thought a 7-robot combiner sounded really ambitious, and probably would've created a disappointing toy. I'll have to wait and see how good the toy looks, and how badass Devastator comes off onscreen.

Thats craptacular news. I bet they will release this non transforming combining gestal and then later release a premium transforming gestalt.

Now, here's what I don't expect, but would LOVE...

1. Hasbro releases a Supreme-class Devastator. With the drone limbs that go from vehicle to limb.

2. Hasbro ALSO releases the deluxe figures. Which have vehicle, robot, AND limb. In limb mode they can replace the drones on the Supreme figure.

So that way kids can get the giant guy without buying all the limbs, and completists can get a true gestalt.

If they don't do that though, I at least hope that Devastator's scale allows for using the deluxes as limbs via kitbashing.

One thing I was kinda wondering in regards to the gestalt version of Devastator - will his limbs / drone vehicles still be deluxe sized?

As for the smaller parts being non-transformable, I do admit that it does rather suck, especially considering how far the gestalt TFs have come in recent years. But like a few of you guys have aid before, am sure that this will spur a few kitbashers into high gear and making their own transformable versions of Big D n his limbs!!

PS Hopefully once prototype toy pix roll around, the limbs will turn out to be able to transform into bots, even if they don't have individuality / turn out to be drones..

UJ

Just thought f another thing: If one of the Devastator components can transform, then I won't have to buy the $10 version of him, if I decide I want both transformable and combinable versions of these guys.

Yay!

This is disappointing news. Why even bother making these toys if it can't be done right. It defeats the purpose of having a combiner in my mind.

Let's consider this for a second.

First off, we don't even know how they combine in the movie. I mean, we can figure out 5 of the 7, but what about the other two? Does one become a head? Does one become a gun? Do 3 become the torso? We just don't know.

Secondly, a Gestalt Devastator comprised of 7 different Deluxe toys would cost, hypothetically, $70 at retail. Moreover, each toy would need three modes: a vehicle mode, a robot mode, and a part mode. That's a lot of non-reusable engineering.

Thirdly, consider the size and weight of a Deluxe-class Devastator. Your Movie Deluxes are around 5.5 inches tall. A Deluxe-class Devastator would be somewhere between 12 and 18 inches tall. Admittedly in scale, but that has some real problems from a weight and display perspective, especially for a toy that's combined of a bunch of other toys.

This makes sense from Hasbro's perspective. They can sell 7 Deluxe Class Devastator Bots, and then have one BIG Devastator Gestalt that is comprised of smaller bots but is designed to be one bot.

I for one welcome Devastator on my shelf, as both Gestalt and Bots.

Boooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fail.

Uh, no, actually, it's not like asking that at all. You're comparing a difference of 20+ years of technological advancement (beginning of G1 to beginning of Classics) to a difference of 5 (beginning of Alternators to present day). I think anything they could have done to make Alt robot modes less of a mess could easily have been done, if not from the start, then at least before the line was over.

Sure, maybe when they're standing still. People often point to the Citroen transformer as an example of what the movie "should've been closer to", but all I see when I look at those ads is a cheap robot that can't even put its arms forward thanks to them being blocked by its ginormous car chest.

lame. I will wait for more info though.

gotta love the lapdogs that support the non-transformable devastator gestalt.

I'll wait until we see some more character designs before passign judgement, but for the moment I'm disappointed that I'll have to spend ~$60 more than anticipated. Dang completionist tendencies.

Or the rabid fans that want the impossible from a toy that is aimed towards an audience/user that is under 20 yrs of age.

This is somewhat disheartening, hopefully seeing both will aleaveate that.

gotta echo the masses, very "disappointed" if this is the case; i was all fired up for 7 deluxes that combined into a supreme.

off topic, but i gotta ad, i think the Alternity Convoy is a great example of how the movie models should have looked (it's basically halfway between Alternator Aesthetic and Movie Aesthetic which is exactly what i pined for when we first started seeing movie designs - more alien and more organic proportioned but "cleaner" and not so alien that they lost any semblance of the brand except for Prime and Jazz)

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the toy? =\

Well, fair enough. I'm not about to get into an arguement about it.

Disappointing, but hardly surprising. Hasbro has been looking to reduce costs for some time now, and they'll do what they need to do for this. No Chrome, reduced engineering, lack of decals (though I actually like this one), etc, etc. The last gestalts we got were those absolutely horrid Energon ones that have been reissued a thousand times, and didn't even comprise five separate vehicles...just three, with two repaints.

Considering those on this board compose the negligable amount of their market, and the fact we're likely the only ones who actually pay for that sort of thing, it's in Hasbro's best interests to only cater to us when we actually have some impact on things. Instances such as everyone getting on the net when the first live action movie was coming out and coming here would be about right for that. Now that the first movie has made several hundred million and stands on its own...they don't need to go out of their way to engineer something that complex and that expensive.

The Citroen transformer is terrible and is what happens when you don't cheat. I was worried that the movie bots would look like that when they said they were going realistic.

But the Citroen is supposed to be made JUST from parts you'd see on a car, with no mass cheating or weird anime chunks, and it's just a skeleton of pipes with thin car shell over it.

Disappointing

Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ya know, my first reaction is disappointment, but consider what these means for the combiner mode's benefits. Think of what kind of articulation they could get for a big gestalt if they don't have to design around limb bot-mode components. Perhaps arms that bend at the elbows on a gestalt?

I really REALLY hope that they have the alt-modes for the two different figs look nearly identical. That probably won't be the case though.

Hopefully this doesn't mean that they make some dinky combiner that is made up of legends size figures or something stupid. I would gladly pay $50-$60 for a combiner made up of several Deluxe size figs, if it's done well.

Oh, I have it! I have it!!

Alright, we all know how there is a base transformer on a gestalt, right? Well, that one will always remain the same.

However, for the 6 others in the combiner, they come with 2 vehicles in each package, that look completely alike.

One of them will be the Vehicle to Robot mode. The second one will be the vehicle to combiner part mode!

I assume they'll have the upper and Lower arms as seperate bots, to avoid the use of junk parts.

Either way, this might become the greatest combiner figure ever, and they might not have Bot modes in the movie anyway.

God, I was starting to wonder if I was the only one who thought the Citroenformers look like ass. Good to see I'm not alone here.