Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen News - Alice is a Pretender

In real life, that would make sense. Completely agree. In movie life, they're going to keep Sam alive because it's what they do in movie. Doesn't jive in real life, but I wouldn't doubt that's what Alice is doing in the movie.

Hasn't it already been stated that they won't do mass size-changes/shifting? They could always go back on their word, though.

Agree. Anyone can reason anything may happen, but it always brings about more questions. Thankfully. Makes board conversation more interesting.

Was just going to say the same thing. I actually like how they did pretenders in that series, so this is an interesting twist.

If this rumour is true then we've already seen these 'pretenders' in the first movie in the form of Moustache Man who seems to be the halfrobot/halfhologram pilot/driver of the decepticons.

and if that logic flows she could be a part of or minion of another decepticon.

It also means the three drivers of Arcee could get off the bikes and do some serious arsekicking before becomeing part of arcee again.

Or all the bots could have some drone part of them...could this mean we'd see roller too?

I'm betting Alice is Ravage...

You know, a while ago I thought that since Alice = apparently evil, she might equal Pretender, in which case Robot on Windshield = AlicePretenderBot? due to its small form and "hair," but I never actually bothered to post that here.
Which sucks, because otherwise I'd be posting "TOLD YOU SO!!!!" left and right, but oh well...
Anyways, what I'm concerned with is, will this Pretender have an alt. mode aside from the AliceShell? Because if it's just a Decepticon robot in a human disguise, that's kind of lame, since if it doesn't transform, it's not a Transformer. Unless they want to introduce Action Masters into the movie series, and I really don't think that would be a good idea.
Overall, I think they might be pushing the limits with this; we've got a gestalt combiner, a single-bot and two-bot combiner, the Fallen, and now a Pretender. That's a lot for the average viewer to have to comprehend. Hopefully they can pull it off.
As it stands, I'm not a fan of having Pretenders in the movie continuity.

San Diego is still beautiful as always...I wasn't aware you were away. Did you move?

Even primitive machines are still...Machines. My argument was with respect to using a human disguise. It has been argued before, with respect to your point, that Megatron maintained a cybertronian mode out of pride and because he was too powerful to hide from weak flesh creatures.

In the movie universe I say fine this makes sense, but in the original cartoon I remember the whole point of the Transformers to me at least as "Robots in Disguise" and even Megatron favored strategy and espionage over mere brute force, but oh well.

WHOA !!!!!! That is awesome !!

or just go on ebay...

I hope this stuff all works in the film better than it sounds on a message board. I keep hearing more and more about gimmicky stuff in this film (Pretender-style person TF, three cycles into one robot. two robots into one truck, other combinations of combining robots) and it seems overwhelming. It reminds me of when they pour more and more 'major villains' into a superhero film, and end up devoting less thought and screen time to each one. It seems like we're just going from one robot with a new trick/gimmick to the next with a new and different gimmick, all flash and no substance (LOL Michael Bay )Perhaps it won't work out that way here, in fact I hope it doesn't.

That's cool. At least that robot isn't Ravage or Frenzy, but a deranged pretender lady.

I never knew about the 'News w/o Movie Spoiler' link. Was it ever announced? I dont remember. Its not an issue with me but it seems like others did not know about this that should have known because they did not want to be spoiled.

I think the robot on the windshield is the pretender/Alice and not Ravage. Its looks like the robot has tenticles like hair. If this is Ravage than why would he have hair.

The pretender needs an alt mode or it would be like a rip off of the Terminator.

the tank from the first movie? what can he do?



If you're talking about the Constructicon then its more likely all the Decepticons in the movie will combine to form a giant robot called The Constructicon or something rather than there being different construction vehicles combining into one.

Did anyone else think "Animorphs," then cringe?

Back when I was watching home and away a few years ago with her in I would never have imagined she would one day be a Transformer lol.
Im looking forward to the new film, this sounds like it could be quite cool. Though it is sounding a bit gimmicky with all the different things they are introducing. I hope this is'nt a replacement for a decent story and characterisations.

How retarded. THIS MOVIE WILL BLOW

So Pretenders are now not only part of IDW Canon, but also Movie Canon? Ugh...Pretenders are the least logical 'upgrade' Transformers can have...aside from Action Masters, which don't even Transform. I really really hope this isn't true, but if it is, maybe it will be cool...Maybe.

DUDE SHE IS A QUINTESON not a pretender!

Yes, being able to walk AMONG HUMANS at any time, gathering data, spying, and be a tactical surprise in battle. Why yes, that has NOTHING to do with Robots In DISGUISE.

Yes, there were announcements galore, and it has been repeated every time that someone has whined about spoilers. The link is quite apparent, and if you'll just bookmark it and NOT GO TO THE MAIN PAGE when you log on, you'll find it works perfectly.

Of course one would question the wisdom of going to a Transformers website in the first place if you truly didn't want to be spoiled, but that's another subject. The problem is that people come here and can't be bothered to read or do the most minute research (which is the reason why there are almost always 50 versions of the same question or complaint in any given thread.) To expect people to cater to you when you can't be bothered to read is asking too much.

ANYWAY, I'm happy with the Pretender. I'm a huge fan of Masterforce, so I'm really confused why the geewunners would really begrudge us Masterforce fans a token character. I like that it expands the TF mythos and opens it up for even more exploration.

Still, I'm not sure how this will sit with our BOTTZ NOT HUMANNZZ crowd.

Yeah I knew this info was coming, rather obvious once we got the leaked video of Isabel walking Terminator style through a crowd of screaming people, plus that puppet even looks female, long metal hair, boob-esq chest plate, PLUS the pretender rumors from way back.

As for what I think of it? Will wait to see it on screen before judging, cause I'm awesome like that.

It doesn't bother me much, she's obviously not going to be a combat orientated Decepticon and I can see her being far more effective than Frenzy, who was a retard.

Pretenders have always been my fav subgroup. Metalhawk still reigns as my fav character of all time. So hurray for the return of the Pretenders. TRULY robots in disguise!

However, could Alice actually be an upgrade of any conceivable G1 Pretender?? Bludgeon? Sure doesn't sound like him. She actually sounds like Iguanus. That would be a rather obscure TF to bring back, but we know Hasbro has the naming rights because he appeared both in Beast Wars and the old TF Universe line. Anyone else have thoughts on who she might be?

Blackarachina or Rumble?

It'll be a new character obviously even if the robot does happen to share the same name as an old G1 guy. Don't try to be looking to see which existing Pretender she is most likely to be.

If she had to be named after any of the G1 Pretenders I think Stranglehold would be the best choice.

lol, going from some muscular gladiator guy to some blonde teenage chick

I'm not surprised by any of this either.

Didn't the Bludgeon name recently get reupped? Hmm....

oooo good idea!

They may be adding a bit too many concepts from across TF mythology but I actually think Pretenders are one of the easier to explain. We've already seen small Frenzy-sized robots in movie 1 so her appearance won't be surprising to any non-fans and we've seen the Decepticons are capable of projecting holographic humans. Take the two concepts and combine them (i.e. Alice-bot projects a hard-light hologram around itself, creating the appearance of a human) and there you go.

Put me in the "uh.................." crowd here, sorry

Ah, so that's how they top the urination joke.

This sounds really, really stupid, like something from a bad B-movie...

i've never been a fan of the whole Pretender concept

Robots hiding inside of organic "people shells"?
meh.... was a dumb concept in the 80s and its dumb now IMO


id much rather have the Pretender concept Simon introduced in the IDW comics if any at all. That or holo-matter facsimiles.

of course, it could be that way. i mean we kinda saw that in the first movie. the mustache man in blackouts cockpit. was clearly some kind of robot underneath a holographic human. i guess i wouldnt mind that so much.

*shrug*

whatev

NO WAI!

Burt Reynolds or GTFO.

Blah!

why? why would they do this...so many cool opportunities to do neat things....and they waste time with this lameness... i am sad in the pants because of this news......

Bad idea. Bludgeon as a girl? And seeing as Arcee is in the movie the TFs in the movieverse do have gender... No thanks. I don't want one of the most bad-ass decepticon silent honorable warriors to be reduced into a girl...

Most likely she'll be a new character and I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even had a name other then 'Alice'. Knowing Bay and co, I doubt she'll be long-lived - that prop we saw crashed into the windscreen is probably her corpse after Bumblebee runs her over or what. (oh and BTW, way to go BB, spray goo on her to warn Sam she's a Con - you forgot you can talk now?)

Quite frankly I'm all for the Pretender returning, but without mass-shifting (which, again, is no more implausible then the self-regenerating metal the Bayformer TFs are made of) it'll feel odd. The technology could be used in two ways:

-Pretender Shells act as exo-skeletons for regular-sized TFs, providing abilities and protection which a metallic robot doesn't have, like cellular regeneration and built-in repair function for the inner robot (Finback had such an ability), excretion of organic materials (acid spitting, poison etc...) or resistance to elements (EMP shielding for example). In many ways, the TFs use shells like us humans (would) use robotic exo-skeletons - we need mechanics to compensate our flaws, they need organics (as BM Primal would say). I can totally see some Decepticons arriving from other planets they are conquering using outer shells based on the most fearsome aliens to strike fear into their opponents, so guys like Bugly or the Monster Pretenders would be totally believable.

-Small human-like pretender shells for infiltration - like Alice here. The trick to pull this off however, is to have the hints showing the she/he is not human small and obscure. I know I'm referencing my own movie idea again, but I worked this out pretty well with agent Jensen - you generally suspect he might be working for the Cons, but you think he's in it for the power or the money and only find out he's no longer human in the last part of the 'movie'.

She looks kind of like Frenzy. So maybe it's Rumble?

Pretenders hide the transformer inside!!!!

I always found the Pretender concept to be an interesting one, so I'll reserve judgment until I see how they pull it off in the movie. I wonder if the robot underneath will have an alt mode like the original toys. Can't be anything real big since it's a human-sized robot.

I am speechless. I don't know if I should say awesome cause I like the concept and the homage it is. Or if I should be wary cause how it could be pulled off in a live action movie.

Also makes me think, a human thats really a TF isn't outlandish but a DINO is? sorry had to throw that out there

I don't think "less is more" has ever been Michael Bay's philosophy.

But I know how you feel, I'm starting to think they are trying to cram way too much into this movie. It's like they're trying to please everyone by including lots of things that they'll only do half-right, instead of concentrating on only a few concepts or TFs and getting those right.

The pretender concept is a tough one - there may only be a 10% chance that they pull it off, it seems like a needless risk.

B-what?

Well, this sounds..interesting. I will save any comments when I see it/her on screen.

So?

Anyways, I've never been to big on pretenders, but it could be interesting, I'll save my judgement until after I've seen the film, since I like..actually learned something from the last one.

Hoo boy. this'll be fun. sounds like alien mixed with terminator.

What happened to spoiler alerts?

If we had some half competent writers, then I'd be more optimistic about introducing the Pretenders concept with the seemingly dozen other plotlines they are throwing into this flick. Pretenders really is the ultimate disguise, and a logical step in a species that has transforming as part of their genetic makeup.

As it stands, this reeks of too much too soon. They barely focused on the main cast of the first movie (that is, the robots) and now they are throwing all these other items into the mix. I feel they are just going to give all these concepts a barely half assed attempt and it's going to look silly and lame. If it doesn't look like a Terminator type robot, I'll be stunned.

Funny, we have a Terminator film out the same summer as ROTF but it abandons the whole infiltration storyline.

Look elsewhere in this thread for the 'no movie news' link. I can't be bothered digging it out for you, but it's been posted several times by Tim F already.