Transformers 2 Filming Clip from Princeton

probably because most of them are far too large. again, with the "making sense" thing, it doesnt make sense to have your own warriors be 5ft tall andhaving your opponents be 25 ft tall. they are giant robots, which works for them.

redundant? any idea how long it would have taken the Autobots to run from wherever it was that they looked at the map to get to Hoover Dam? id rather roll or fly than simply walk everywhere.

is that them doing pick up reshoots?

I'm sure i've seen a very similar clip before.

Also looks like they're doing one of the shots where the person in focus stays stil and the background either zooms in or out.

uh, yea...not fake...i risked my butt trying to get this footage as i am not involved with the movie....just a film making fan and a transformers fan

eric, i await your apology on june 26, 2009

has anybody seen this before at yahoo videos?

Transformers Exclusive DVD Clip 2 on Yahoo! Video

I don't have words this is is scary. The Decepticons may have a very disguised Transformer.

I feel ya but have to disagree... IMO, Its rather unimaginitive to say "A pretender is the best chance the Cons have to get close to Sam un-noticed"... Remember in the 1st film, Frenzy DID just sit in Megan Foxs' purse un-noticed (And right under the Presidents feet!)... and gathered info and such thru-out the movie un-noticed... So why would it be NECESSARY for a Pretender.

Hell aint that the point of being a Transformer??? Having the option to disguise yourself for whatever reason?

If anything, Im not feelin the decision to include a Pretender simply cuz its not necessary. Also, it takes away other opportunities that could have been.

What he said.

such as?

and i agree, Frenzy did alot. but even if there was a transformer that would turn into a phone to spy on them, it may not be as helpful-that would be a passive form of spying on Sam. but if they wanted to know something that he hadnt said, they couldnt just ask him unless they had someone there to talk to him. plus, if the Decepticons need Sam to go somewhere, Alice can ask him to meet her somewhere-no other thing a transformer could turn into would be able to help with that unless it was a human.

but if she doesnt do something incredibly important in Alice mode that she couldnt do in robot mode, then ill be ticked and they might as well not had Pretenders at all-i dont like the idea of robots turning into people, i prefer them being vehicles and whatnot, and wish they could do with them. but if thats what the story needs, im all up for giving it a chance

wow now the pretender idea may not be to bad

so. you're saying until Michael Bay says this is true, these actors just got together for no reason to run around with a camera on them? I get the skepticism but come on.

I don't know why you worry about not seeing much robots because of 1 pretender. don't you remember that there will be 40 transformers. and I believe that Bay will know how to make Alice scary and good character in the movie.

Did anyone see this?

Pretender/Frenzy actually moving on top of the car

Sassy pretender!!!

Now that one was interesting!

I believe it was Last Year.

Well, I learned something to t'day! As much as I've went out of my way to avoid such information about ROTF, I see I cannot participate in conversation without this knowledge. That said, I didn't even know "Pretenders" were an Official TF-Universe Character and not something made up by Michael Bay for the movie. Until now, that is... Wikipedia.org has its uses.

hmmm, pretender-rama stikes!!

[quote=phillyfilmgirl;2611202]I'm afraid it'll be the opposite, Miss "One of Michael Bay's Spies".

If you want to say that, then yes.

awesome. I was just there a few weeks ago.

Well... Such as other Transformer characters (or gimmick or GASP, character developement... Yea, Id rather see autobots sitting around chatting about Energon than a woman walkin like Jason! lol)?

I mean, if they're going with a Pretender (which I think I saw already in T3: Rise of the Machines) , they could have easily done it the 1st time... Replace Frenzy AND Scorpinox with a Pretender that served the same purpose for the story... Thus, the opposite could be said for RotF right??? Why have a Pretender when you could easily use minicons (its easy to change a story to fit certain aspects when te story hasnt yet been told)???

They didnt have time to explain female bots, so Arcee is dropped... OOOOk, but they have time to explain a Pretender (and female bots)? lol

But like you said Torque... I will give it a chance, but "if she doesnt do something incredibly important in Alice mode that she couldnt do in robot mode"... I will also, be all ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGG! hehe.

PS - Can someone tell me where they got this business about "40 robots" confirmed??? That just sounds like BS! There werent even 40 robots in the original movie toy line INCLUDING non-movie characters AND maybe repaint characters... Has to be false... Cuz if not, that makes it like what... 10 Bots vs. 30 Cons

40 bots came from the USA Today thing, stuff Bay had said. and as for the Pretenders not being in the first one, it was prbly cause a) they didnt feel like they needed them, as their presence was unknown-they figured they'd come in, grab the allspark, and leave. well what doesnt kill you simply makes you stronger-they came up with the idea of a pretender, and plan to use it now.

and they should use Pretenders over minicons because there are things a pretender can do that a minicon cant.

how do we know YOU'RE not a spy to try and control the leaved footage, huh? HUH? HUH???????????

Unless he's had quite a haircut, I don't think that's Michael Bay on the camera rig. More likely (one of) the camera operator(s).

You mean the 'Trombone Shot' like in Jaws? (move the camera in, whilst zooming the lens out).

I doubt it. The actors all seem to run past the lens as the camera moves through them to find 'Alice' before tracking back with her as she stomps after our heroes...and it seems clear that the screaming hordes are running away from something big and nasty behind her...

I think you have a point. The Pretender stuff may only be a small part of the film and thus not worth worrying about, but it seems a rather boring idea.

I mean the 'aliens look like us' thing has been in movies since the fifties, not to mention the obvious recent Terminator/Battlestar Galactica comparisons.

It opens the whole can of worms whereby anyone can be a Transformer subsitute (the President could be one! Or have they replaced Mikaela with a Decepticon Hottie Droid?!? etc, etc...).

This isn't uninteresting, but it basically broadens the concept of TFs (they could be anywhere, disguised as anything mechanical - even a toaster) to encompass a more 'Invasion of the Body-Snatchers' kind of plotting which we've all seen many times before...

The limitations of the TFs; that they can disguise themselves as machinery but not as carbon based biological entities, helps to give the stories an edge by limiting how and when the Cybertronians can communicate with humans

Pretender!!!!!

Eric you have got to be shitting me. Get a grip of yourself and come back to reality.

Which do you honestly think it would take more time to believably explain:
A human sized Decepticon infiltration unit on a planet full of humans, especially when those humans played a large role in a previous Decepticon defeat, or the fact that there is a female Transformer (for no readily apparent reason at all), when all the others are male?
IMO, human sized sneaky dangerous infiltrator unit > dodgy female robot. EVERY time.
Interact with humans, perhaps? Get information about the Autobots from Sam? Get close enough to kill him without arousing human suspicion? Remember that he's more than likely under close watch by the government, after what happened before.
So. Considering she's at college with a human who
a) made first contact with the Autobots
b) is presumably still in contact with the Autobots
c) killed Megatron
and therefore a VERY high priority target for the Decepticons, for a multitude of reasons, I'd say it's bowel-shatteringly obvious why it looks like an attractive human female rather than a small spiky scary mechanoid. One of the aforementioned will attract a hormonal college kid like Sam; the other will make him run like hell and scream for Bumblebee to get his heavily armed chums to kick the crap out of it.

Draven, i hate to say it, but in ur first response, you sorta missed the point.

the thing you responded too was "which is harder to explain-female robots or female robots that turn into humans" and you seem to have picked the second one.


Fortunately, they can explain the presence of female bots in this one and then they will be able to have 2 female robots introduced at the same time.

> means greater than. Meaning that I prefer "human sized sneaky dangerous infiltrator unit". Or to put it another way, Pretender.

i know-but the pretender is female too. you had hypothetically asked which would take longer to explain-the pretender aspect or the female bot aspect. but because the pretender is also female, it would technically take longer to explain a female robot and a pretender than to explain just a female robot


UNLESS im misreading something, which is likely

Different Transformers do different things. Just like in G1.

QFT.

-airfox

You are. Spectacularly, actually.
Let me quote myself again here:
Believably. You missed that part.

So, to put it in really simple terms:

Which is easier to explain and have people believe it:

1. A human sized decepticon disguised as a hot chick, put there to get close to Sam when he's surrounded by other humans?

OR

2. The sudden appearance of a female Transformer, when all the others are male?

I honestly don't see how I can put that any more simply.

Wow, some people on these boards really confuse me. To say that this footage is boring is kind of missing the point. What we're seeing is raw, unedited, uncut footage shot from an angle other than that which will be used in the film. The real work of staging a film shot will never be as fantastic as the final product, it's just an opportunity to get a peek into the process from behind the scenes.

In this scene, we don't know how far "Alice" is behind the heroes because none of this footage is in the real time we will see in the final cut. We don't know what is causing the mass panic because any events going on behind them will be either staged and filmed at a different time and place or be entirely executed within a computer. For all we know, laser beams are emitting from the girl's eyes as she walks (not likely, but it illustrates my point as to what could be missing).

For those who want robot footage NOW, I sympathize, but please tell me you understand that the robots don't actually exist. They are added in to the edited film shots by computer after everything else is done. The only way you're going to see robots before the release of the film is if someone with access to the final cuts leaks something.

I guess my point is to please take it easy on criticizing these little sneak peeks for their pacing, positioning and lack of dramatic effects. Filmmaking isn't pointing the camera and hitting record as events unfold. It requires staging specific shot sequences over and over from a multitude of angles then jigsawing all that together into an asthetic "real time" scene then adding in visual and audio effects, along with mood setting score, before finally being stiched together with all the similar work done before and after to achieve a finished, glossy product.

maybe RAVAGE!!!!! is a PRETENDER!!!!! who is disguised as ALICE!!!! that would be AWSOME!!! and maybe all those other guys are probably runnin from a DECEPTICON!!! named SOUNDWAVE!!!!! who is tryin to capture SAM!!!! and CO.!!!!!!

i get what you're saying, but what i was pointing out is that the Pretender is also female. so it would be the appearance of a female transformer disguised as a hot chick. see what i was sayin?

Perhaps is a male Decepticon disguised as a female human.

-airfox

It's still far easier to explain away believably than a sudden female giant robot.

I'm not sure about this. It seems to be one fluid camera move tracking in past Sam, Mikaela etc onto 'Alice' before retreating with her; ergo she's not that far behind them. You could cut into this shot, but it wouldn't massively change the geography.

Jesus Christ, I hope you're not being serious. I almost spit peanuts over my desk when I read this.


Hilarious side note, I typed out peabuts the first time.

Ah, but the Pretender transformer is disguised as a human female - the transformer itself doesn't have to be female itself. Thus it requires less explanation than an actually female (and clearly non-human) robot like Arcee showing up on her own.

I'm fine with the Pretender idea if it works. I think the most likely scenario is that she's a Decepticon plant. So long as she isn't in it for very long.

What would be really awesome is after that stupid strut, the camera focuses in for a big close up, and she explodes. For no reason.

Wow it also seems like a lot of people have no clue what a pretender is either. Looks like they are just here for the flick.

My point exactly. THANK YOU.

AH!!! sorrry, i get it now-im just tired and sick today, so anything and everything i say shouldnt be held against me. i just never made the connection that it would be a male pretender disguised as a female

All I can say about this movie's Pretender concept is that it needs moar skeletal samurai.

meh I'm not too big on the Pretender idea. neat video though.

and I agree that a female pretender doesn't need much explanation. A pretender will need to look like a human and pick a form that'll be easy to get around in. A hot female would be easy to get around in (but also attention getting lol) and it may be part of the story if the Pretender is trying to get 'close' to Sam. It's just a form they pick, like a truck or a dinosaur, but they pick an alt mode that's a female.

A female transformer on the other hand brings up the idea of ROBOT genders (not human genders being copied for disguises) and that brings up the questions of robot sex, robot procreation, why there need to be females, etc.

So a female Pretender is just a disguise taken by a robot. A female robot is not a disguise, it's a female robot.

i dunno, the pretender thing might work...we shall see


btw: next video - next month

This.

She walked as if she was a female terminator!

She walked like she'd just been grounded by her parents, and decided to storm off and get her footballer boyfriend to buy her something to cheer her up, but he was too busy playing Halo with the guys so she stormed off to buy ice cream.

Or kill Sam.

Eh, i LOLED at the first quote that you said!

This. Yes, the evil Terminatrix (thats female termanator); guys, is so totally going after Sam with murderous intent and to disembowel its victim after forfully beating the crap out of him for autobot info

or.... she was asking him out for a date....