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The Allspark To Return In Transformers 4?

Posted on 02-21-2013 at 12:18 PM by SilverOptimus under Transformers Movie (Just Movie) (All Transformers Movie News)
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"Before time began… there was The Cube". That is the first thing you heard when you sat down at the theater to enjoy your first Transformers Live Action Movie. "The Cube" was The Allspark; giver of life to Cybertronians.

But the question of the hour is, will we see it on Transformers 4?

Thanks to 2005 Boards member Anodythe, we have information that The Cube may return in some form (as a memory or repaired). This piece of rumor (yep, it's not fully confirmed yet) is coming from NPR who made a visit to one of Paramount’s Set Warehouses.


"Randall Thropp, a Paramount archivist, recoils in mock fear from the power of the AllSpark as set decorator Rosemary Brandenburg takes it from the glass case. The AllSpark was used as a prop in Transformers; it may have another life in an upcoming sequel."

A little movie factoid: The AllSpark Cube was technically a prop in the first Transformers, because an actor actually touched and even ran with it. Brandenburg thinks the cube might make a reappearance in Transformers 4 as set decoration. It's too early to tell. But archivist Randall Thropp says that unfortunately, she can't take the AllSpark and use it in the film.

"That is the only cube we have, right here," Thropp says. It resides in a glass showcase.

Brandenburg can borrow the cube and make copies, though. "A movie set is a pretty dangerous place for things," she says. "We have to repair things constantly. Our special-effects brothers and sisters are running around blowing things up, and our stunt brothers and sisters, too."

Brandenburg often has to make multiple copies of items because of all those blowups.


We will have to wait and see if this Transformers 4 rumor is true.
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Barricade24
Do you have a link or something to back this up with? I'm not calling you a liar or anything I would just like to see this myself.
Nevermore
What does Warner Bros have to do with Transformers, a Paramount production?
Anodythe
Morning Edition : NPR

Just found it. Scroll down to "For film set decorators, tiny detail count."

Picture of the cube in the hands of the set decorator Hollywood Jobs 2013: For Film Set Decorators, Tiny Details Count : NPR
QLRformer
"The AllSpark was used as a prop in Transformers; it may have another life in an upcoming sequel."
That sounds like it could have been for 2009, when it did get used... but I'm being cautiously theorizing that the AllSpark will return as a MacGuffin like in the first film, either by time warping or by being reconstructed (like in a comic).
Meta777
This could be interesting, actually; I believe it was a plot point in the Reign of Starscream comics that he tried to create a new Cube, powering it with the sparks of sacrificed Autobots.

Perhaps this concept may be seen in the fourth film?
Ephland
If they pull a "there was a second cube all along!" Deus Ex Machina, then I will rage.
Chaos Prime
It wouldn't really surprise me.
The Fallen himself said that the power of the cube cannot be destroyed merely...(wait for it)....transformed.

Plus it would be a convenient way to bring Megatron back from the dead....again....
VaderPrime1
This is pretty interesting.

EDIT: Her budget to make copies of the original cube is "a million dollars or so"?! HOLY $#!&
ErbFan28
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Originally Posted by Ephland View Post
If they pull a "there was a second cube all along!" Deus Ex Machina, then I will rage.
This.
Newholl
I don't see anything of significance here. She seems to be simply speculating purely on the basis that a new TF movie is being filmed.
Jazzfan0217
If this is truly real, I'm quite intrigued...
tusko
I always thought "the cube" was a nice underbase homage.
I take this with a grain of salt. I doubt anything is final for T4.
Griffin73
Maybe Spike dies and the Cube reforms. Then it is used to reformat the remaining bots.
Scorpio
Willing to bet that either;

A) They find that there has been a second cube all along

or

B) The cube is just in the background and is like a way to say 'this is still part of the Transformers film series' kinda like the shockwave news clipping in ROTF being used to say 'this is still part of the Transformers series'

or

C) This is just a silly persons opinion of a film that has not even entered production and they have not even watched the first film to realise that the cube and the supposed two remaining shards have been destroyed or combined with the Autobots. (Yes in the comics they rebuilt the Allspark - but in the comics they had zombie Transformers after the events of the first film so this will likely not follow the comics)
Jakest123
I'm gonna say it'll appear in a flashback, if anything.
Digilaut
A second Allspark doesn't make sense at all. But I can easily see them create a new Allspark and somehow restore the energy in it.

But I was under the impression the Allspark energy was transferred to Sam, so it might have transferred again into the Matrix when he reformed that. Would explain how suddenly Optimus knows stuff about The Fallen and the other Primes in the final battle, even though he knew nothing before he got killed.
Stygian360
"In the beginning... there was, the cubes..."
GAUGE
The cube is a stupid concept.

I very much hope it doesn't return.
bookwormdalek
Didn't we go through this already in Reign of Starscream? Screw the allspark, it's dead, it's gone, come up with a new macguffin.
Digilaut
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Didn't we go through this already in Reign of Starscream? Screw the allspark, it's dead, it's gone, come up with a new macguffin.
Comics are more like extended universe stuff...I don't think the movies have ever taken what happens in the comics into consideration.


I have a better idea: how about no MacGuffin? There are genuine reasons to fight for other than the next magical space object...
Griffin73
You mean like Energon. Isn't that magic energy blood-like liquid?
Sure...fight over that.
Incepticon
It's been a long time since I've seen so many words about absolutely nothing woven together to be some sort of supposed 'story'. That entire blathering from start to finish literally says nothing about anything. A woman picked up a movie prop out of a glass case and explained how things like that are unsafe on movie sets. Wow.
Scorpio
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Originally Posted by Digilaut View Post
A second Allspark doesn't make sense at all. But I can easily see them create a new Allspark and somehow restore the energy in it.

But I was under the impression the Allspark energy was transferred to Sam, so it might have transferred again into the Matrix when he reformed that. Would explain how suddenly Optimus knows stuff about The Fallen and the other Primes in the final battle, even though he knew nothing before he got killed.
Allspark was destroyed - energy overloaded Megatron and flowed into Sam. Thus the only remaining Allspark energy was stored in the two Allspark fragments.

One of these fragments transfered its energy to Sam. The other transfered its energies to Megatron when placed in his chest - essentially rebooting him. The Allspark fragment triggered Sam's visions. When Sam's memories were extracted some of them remained due to contact with the Allspark shard which was later used to revive Jetfire. Upon Jetfire's awakening the remaining shard energy was transfered to Jetfire allowing him the power-up mode with Prime.

During the power-up mode Optimus had the Allspark energy inside him - thus making Megatron and Optimus the only two who had remaining Allspark energy. After the events of ROTF Optimus's Allspark energy allowed him to combine with a trailer - essentially giving him a more improved flight mode.

The residual Allspark energy was however fading for Megatron - causing him to lose its influence and making his body weaken due to the effects (Similar to trying to quit Alcohol or a drug)

Upon Megatron's death the remaining Allspark energy inside Megatron was lost leaving Optimus the only being with residual Allspark energy.

Though... the Allspark did activate several other robots in the first movie which may or may not have survived.
Autovolt 127
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Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
Allspark was destroyed - energy overloaded Megatron and flowed into Sam. Thus the only remaining Allspark energy was stored in the two Allspark fragments.

One of these fragments transfered its energy to Sam. The other transfered its energies to Megatron when placed in his chest - essentially rebooting him. The Allspark fragment triggered Sam's visions. When Sam's memories were extracted some of them remained due to contact with the Allspark shard which was later used to revive Jetfire. Upon Jetfire's awakening the remaining shard energy was transfered to Jetfire allowing him the power-up mode with Prime.

During the power-up mode Optimus had the Allspark energy inside him - thus making Megatron and Optimus the only two who had remaining Allspark energy. After the events of ROTF Optimus's Allspark energy allowed him to combine with a trailer - essentially giving him a more improved flight mode.

The residual Allspark energy was however fading for Megatron - causing him to lose its influence and making his body weaken due to the effects (Similar to trying to quit Alcohol or a drug)

Upon Megatron's death the remaining Allspark energy inside Megatron was lost leaving Optimus the only being with residual Allspark energy.

Though... the Allspark did activate several other robots in the first movie which may or may not have survived.
I think in the Reign of Starscream or post Movie 1 IDW comics the Autobots slaughtered all the Allspark activated bots.
Megastar
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Originally Posted by Ephland View Post
If they pull a "there was a second cube all along!" Deus Ex Machina, then I will rage.
Like there wasn't anything worse to rage about in the films.
AutobotJazz1
If a new Allspark were to be created than there is a possibility of bringing dead characters back and even better Cybertron.
Puck Hockey
Oh goody, time to retread old ground.
MV95
It's probably just a flashback or something to that effect.
Anodythe
All-in-all, I was simply tickled that Transformers was mentioned. Who knows what the future holds for TF 4...hopefully better writers...
Autobus Prime
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Originally Posted by Griffin73 View Post
You mean like Energon. Isn't that magic energy blood-like liquid?
Sure...fight over that.
G73:

Spice must flow...
daitarn red
it mean megatron trasform in into galavtron
Barricade24
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Originally Posted by MV95 View Post
It's probably just a flashback or something to that effect.
I sure hope so.
Autoboticon
DC2k5
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Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
Allspark was destroyed - energy overloaded Megatron and flowed into Sam. Thus the only remaining Allspark energy was stored in the two Allspark fragments.

One of these fragments transfered its energy to Sam. The other transfered its energies to Megatron when placed in his chest - essentially rebooting him. The Allspark fragment triggered Sam's visions. When Sam's memories were extracted some of them remained due to contact with the Allspark shard which was later used to revive Jetfire. Upon Jetfire's awakening the remaining shard energy was transfered to Jetfire allowing him the power-up mode with Prime.

During the power-up mode Optimus had the Allspark energy inside him - thus making Megatron and Optimus the only two who had remaining Allspark energy. After the events of ROTF Optimus's Allspark energy allowed him to combine with a trailer - essentially giving him a more improved flight mode.

The residual Allspark energy was however fading for Megatron - causing him to lose its influence and making his body weaken due to the effects (Similar to trying to quit Alcohol or a drug)

Upon Megatron's death the remaining Allspark energy inside Megatron was lost leaving Optimus the only being with residual Allspark energy.

Though... the Allspark did activate several other robots in the first movie which may or may not have survived.
Where's this from? I thought the Allspark energy was meant to have gone from Sam into the Matrix?
GAUGE
I really wish The conflict would just go back to the simple things:

Universal Conquest
To Punish and Enslave the Weak
Theft of all natural resources.

Whatever happened to that?
UTF
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Originally Posted by GAUGE0001 View Post
I really wish The conflict would just go back to the simple things:

Universal Conquest
To Punish and Enslave the Weak
Theft of all natural resources.

Whatever happened to that?
Movie 1: Get the cube to make a new army to conquer the universe
Movie 2: Steal resources ie: harvesting the sun
Movie 3: Punishing and enslaving humans, whilst forcing them to rebuild Cybertron via Earth's stolen resources.
moreprimeland
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Originally Posted by Anodythe View Post
All-in-all, I was simply tickled that Transformers was mentioned. Who knows what the future holds for TF 4...hopefully better writers...
Nice bit of info and who would have guessed it would come from NPR???? Glad you were listening Ano.

You're right, they were discussing the use of a prop...it could simply be for a flashback and that's all.
electronic456
A second Allspark........ Well, can the Autobots bring back Cybertron this time?
CLM
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Originally Posted by Chaos Prime View Post
It wouldn't really surprise me.
The Fallen himself said that the power of the cube cannot be destroyed merely...(wait for it)....transformed.

Plus it would be a convenient way to bring Megatron back from the dead....again....
Megatron!? There has been 3 movies.. time for Galvatron to rise from Megatrons ashes! lol


Chris
RedWolf
Most of the physical Allspark was absorbed by Megatron. With exception of that fragment that revived Jetfire.

If Jetfire's fragment was not destroyed the Allspark may rebuild from that.
RisingPhoenix86
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Most of the physical Allspark was absorbed by Megatron. With exception of that fragment that revived Jetfire.

If Jetfire's fragment was not destroyed the Allspark may rebuild from that.
Very true. Also the power is never gone, Just transforms into something different. So who knows. The pen sitting next to me can hold the all mighty power! lol jk
BAD187
tf movies are lower than low tier.
j.a.f.o.
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how about no MacGuffin?
THIS. Or at least make the story, script and characters strong enough that the movie doesn't have to rely so heavily on one (i.e., The Avengers).

Yeah, I know that's just a bunch of crazy talk.
Gingerchris
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Originally Posted by electronic456 View Post
A second Allspark........ Well, can the Autobots bring back Cybertron this time?
They don't need to bring it back because... there was a second Cybertron all along!

Girl Pants
We all saw the Matrix reform from dust, so why can't the cube?

If this lets us get some more mythology into the films, I'm up for it.
Chaos Prime
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Originally Posted by j.a.f.o. View Post
THIS. Or at least make the story, script and characters strong enough that the movie doesn't have to rely so heavily on one (i.e., The Avengers).

Yeah, I know that's just a bunch of crazy talk.
In a Bayformers movie? Are you on the funny water?


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Originally Posted by electronic456 View Post
A second Allspark........ Well, can the Autobots bring back Cybertron this time?
Yea, but the Autobots aren't interested in reviving Cybertron.
The movies have made it perfectly clear that the Autobots have given up.
Digilaut
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Yea, but the Autobots aren't interested in reviving Cybertron.
The movies have made it perfectly clear that the Autobots have given up.
It's not that they're not interested in reviving it, they just don't want to do it at the cost of others.
Oracle_Aesir
Maybe they find this second cube, but it's revealed that it's a fake made by the Decepticons, which turns Optimus evil (Nemesis Prime) or something
jametron
All this thread has made me wonder is this... If Sam received the symbols, map etc to locate the harvester, just by touching the shard, why didn't Megatron or Jetfire? Hell, they were revived by the damn things!

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