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Rumor: Revenge of the Fallen Devastator Gestalt Toy Information

Posted on 11-05-2008 at 09:27 AM by Tim Formas under Transformers Movie (Just Movie) (All Transformers Movie News)
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2005 Boards member S250, who has consitently provided accurate information to the site, reports meeting with a local agent in Asia who had some information regarding the Devastator Gestalt toy for the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen line. According to this local agent, the Devastator gestalt will feature a robot that combines with transformable construction vehicles that have no robot mode to form the giant, combined robot. This type of combination would be similar to that used by Energon Optimus Prime in the past. The local agent also said that each component of Devastator would receive a Deluxe-class version that could transform from vehicle to robot but does not combine with the other components. If true, it looks like collectors will have the choice of collecting a gestalt and/or collecting the individual components of Devastator.

Click on the Discuss button to see S250's full report of his meeting with the local agent.
Views: 15,727 / Credit: S250 of the 2005 Boards!
General Tekno
So... Devastator's toy is nothing more than a glorified Voltron?

... I hope that isn't the case.
S250
no.....I mean Energon Optimus Prime,Robot + N Drones,not boots+gloves
red00wolf
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In the Gestalt version,most construction vehicles just transformable drones as a part of Devastator,no robot mode.
Not cool.
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These vehicles will get Deluxe version,can transform to robots
thats cool
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,but I think Deluxe version can't combine.
Really not cool given the above news....but expected.
Erector
This sounds like it may be a big big disappointment
OmegaVPrime
this news doesn;t hinder me from buying the deluxes i will tell you that much, nothing a little customizing won't do
godsenddeath
My initial reaction was something along the lines of 'Why the *expletive deleted* not?'.

It then occurred to me that Hasbro don't have the time to engineer a gestalt. IIRC it was said after the last movie that Hasbro would have more involvement in the design process this time around.

This news suggests otherwise. I hope it turns out to be misinformation.
Fort Max
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This sounds like it may be a big big disappointment
Big shock!

Seven robots combining into one was way too ambitious for them to make into one set of interacting toys at a size/price/avialablity ratio that would have even worked much less pleased everyone.

I imagine it'll go, big Devy that breaks down into chunks which only convert into vehicles and the smaller deluxe versions of the individual vehciles that S250 has mentioned.
godsenddeath
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Big shock!

Seven robots combining into one was way too ambitious for them to make into one set of interacting toys at a size/price/avialablity ratio that would have even worked much less pleased everyone.
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Ambitious was definitely one of the words that came to mind.
Blitzwing
Meh this is really crappy if true imo.
Feralstorm
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Originally Posted by Fort Max View Post
Big shock!

Seven robots combining into one was way too ambitious for them to make into one set of interacting toys at a size/price/avialablity ratio that would have even worked much less pleased everyone.

I imagine it'll go, big Devy that breaks down into chunks which only convert into vehicles and the smaller deluxe versions of the individual vehciles that S250 has mentioned.
Ambitious but far from impossible. That said, I can easily believe the info as given, not because I think it's all that difficult to make a new set of six or seven 'bots that transform into robots on their own and combine into a giant, but it's probably near impossible to make them all lok a lot like whatever they look like in the movie, (tough enough to design two modes to look like a movie design, let alone robot/vehicle/combiner chunk) and there's always the issue of either selling a big expensive set or selling 5-7 toys that 'need' each other over a spread of months.

I just hope one day we'll eventually get a new combiner with five or more members, and combined size to rival Predaking. (pipe dream)
Fez Findie
Well, the one good thing about this is at least a little less characters and givin' more time to the already rather big roster we're seein' here. In theory at least, though I'd appreciate that this doesn't get replied with angry ranting about how "bigger numbers mean better characters somehow without it becomin' a total clusterf**k!". Which most likely means this reply wouldn't get any other replies at all.
Dinobot Snarl
I like the dumptruck concept I've been seeing...I'm only interested in that
Methos
So what,with the talent found in Radcon's it'll only be a matter of time before a combinding deluxe Dev is made.
Glitcher
Aaaaaand all my elation over the original announcement just went out the window. Say it ain't so, Hasbro!
Draven
If this is true, it's a huge disappointment.
Peanut04
While I suppose we shouldn't be suprised, if its true, it is a huge disappointment.
Ra88
Very disappointing, but as long as the combined form looks cool I won't really mind, since he'll never leave that form with me.
Smokescreen
Disappointing is an understatement. I hope this is not true.
Switchblade
This is a major bummer if it's true. I was really looking forward to a new combiner that wasn't 2/5s repaints like the Energon ones. It seems like this option was just a case of Hasbro taking the easy road and not risking the extreme amount of effort it would take to get a fully transformable combiner team.
G1Wheeljack
Dissapointing to say the least.
vektsilver
the voltron devastator will be an abomination. Big bag of suck regarding that idea.


I would more or less be happy with waiting longer for hasbro to design a working gestalt from the delux versions. Why rush it the movie toy should be like the coup de grat
S250
not voltron mode
I mentiond Energon OP because his drones,he combine with machines not robots.
Devastator is robot combine with construction vehicles
Bass X0
Pretty much what I expected.

To have six or seven individual robots combining is too far fetched except if they were all Micromaster sized.
General Tekno
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not voltron mode
I mentiond Energon OP because his drones,he combine with machines not robots.
Devastator is robot combine with construction vehicles
But isn't Energon Prime kinda like Voltron, in that his drones form arms and legs?

Or is this different somehow?

Either way, what I would hope Hasbro is doing if this is the case is engineering deluxes that can replace the drones in the combiner. If the deluxes are the same size as the drones it COULD be possible.
SKowl
I wish the people whose knee-jerk reaction is to cry out "lame" and "stupid" would just stop and think about this for a second. Doing it this way is really the only logical choice for Hasbro if they actually want to make a good figure.

If Hasbro was to make a Supreme-sized combiner out of seven construction vehicles that are each supposed to transform individually, the whole thing would be an unstabble nightmare. By keeping the combiner version "vehicles-only" you are removing a design element that would simply get in the way of a screen accurate Devastator toy. Think about the movie style for a second, Devastator is not going to be an old "one robot: one limb" combiner, he's going to be more complex than that, and when it comes to the toy, the less things the designers have to worry about, the better it will be.

From Hasbro's point of view, this is the best way to ensure that a Supreme-sized Devastator would actually be... you know, a screen-accurate toy with actually playability - not an unstable, jumbled up mess of seven transforming figures that would come apart in your hand due to all the joints and parts that would have to connect every which way.

Fans are getting the best of both worlds here, and they're still complaining. You'll be getting deluxe figures without a "limb" mode that will impede the transformation of the figure, and you'll be getting a Devastator who won't be impeded with limbs that also have to have robot modes.
Mumps
Since when has "Screen Accuracy" been an issue with them? Ok, maybe the deluxe BB was accurate. But Prime wasn't even close... nor was Megatron.

I am very disapointed. I was hoping for an actual combiner. Why not just skip the combining process all together? Just give us a non-transforming combined Devy and be done with it.

I for one hope this news is false, but hey, if it's true, I just saved some money! Kinda works out both ways then eh?
Robogeek28
I'm not planning on buying any movie figs anyway, although Devestator DID pique my interest a little.
n_tel_ekt
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Originally Posted by SKowl View Post
I wish the people whose knee-jerk reaction is to cry out "lame" and "stupid" would just stop and think about this for a second. Doing it this way is really the only logical choice for Hasbro if they actually want to make a good figure.

If Hasbro was to make a Supreme-sized combiner out of seven construction vehicles that are each supposed to transform individually, the whole thing would be an unstabble nightmare. By keeping the combiner version "vehicles-only" you are removing a design element that would simply get in the way of a screen accurate Devastator toy. Think about the movie style for a second, Devastator is not going to be an old "one robot: one limb" combiner, he's going to be more complex than that, and when it comes to the toy, the less things the designers have to worry about, the better it will be.

From Hasbro's point of view, this is the best way to ensure that a Supreme-sized Devastator would actually be... you know, a screen-accurate toy with actually playability - not an unstable, jumbled up mess of seven transforming figures that would come apart in your hand due to all the joints and parts that would have to connect every which way.

Fans are getting the best of both worlds here, and they're still complaining. You'll be getting deluxe figures without a "limb" mode that will impede the transformation of the figure, and you'll be getting a Devastator who won't be impeded with limbs that also have to have robot modes.
While I didnt see any "lame" "stupid" reaction comments, I surely agree with you that Devastator as vehicles that assemble to form a singular character would be a better move for Hasbro... I wouldnt mind if Devastator was depicted like this in the movie... Not individuals that combine to form a giant dude, but instead, separate vehicles that combine to form a robot character.

Im more than happy to give up individually transforming robots if that means theres no need for pop-on feet, fists, head, chest plate, forearms, etc... AND that its really detailed, movie acurate, sturdy and poseable.
Ravenxl7
Eh, not really disappointing. I'd rather them give us a gestalt made up of one robot and some drones, where the one actual robot could end up decent, instead of all of them sucking. I'll probably get one of the non-combiner one's though, and not the gestalt. Especially if they go with that Long Haul design, or at least something close to it.

In the end, I'm just going to wait and see what the toys look like, and even for some wait for a review or two (video "reviews" do NOT count), before forming any opinions. For all I know this whole 1 bot combined with drones thing will end up making a pretty awesome toy.
Mumps
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While I didnt see any "lame" "stupid" reaction comments, I surely agree with you that Devastator as vehicles that assemble to form a singular character would be a better move for Hasbro... I wouldnt mind if Devastator was depicted like this in the movie... Not individuals that combine to form a giant dude, but instead, separate vehicles that combine to form a robot character.

Im more than happy to give up individually transforming robots if that means theres no need for pop-on feet, fists, head, chest plate, forearms, etc... AND that its really detailed, movie acurate, sturdy and poseable.
I would be ok with it if the "drones" never transform in the movie. But if we get 7 different robots that transform into a giant robot, I want 7 different robot toys that do the same. If it's one robot and 6 vehicles which don't have a mind of their own that just transform into giant robot parts (In the movie), then hey, that will work for me as a toy.
General Tekno
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Originally Posted by SKowl View Post
I wish the people whose knee-jerk reaction is to cry out "lame" and "stupid" would just stop and think about this for a second. Doing it this way is really the only logical choice for Hasbro if they actually want to make a good figure.

If Hasbro was to make a Supreme-sized combiner out of seven construction vehicles that are each supposed to transform individually, the whole thing would be an unstabble nightmare. By keeping the combiner version "vehicles-only" you are removing a design element that would simply get in the way of a screen accurate Devastator toy. Think about the movie style for a second, Devastator is not going to be an old "one robot: one limb" combiner, he's going to be more complex than that, and when it comes to the toy, the less things the designers have to worry about, the better it will be.

From Hasbro's point of view, this is the best way to ensure that a Supreme-sized Devastator would actually be... you know, a screen-accurate toy with actually playability - not an unstable, jumbled up mess of seven transforming figures that would come apart in your hand due to all the joints and parts that would have to connect every which way.

Fans are getting the best of both worlds here, and they're still complaining. You'll be getting deluxe figures without a "limb" mode that will impede the transformation of the figure, and you'll be getting a Devastator who won't be impeded with limbs that also have to have robot modes.
Good point. I have to concede that is a valid point.
AniProwl
Bad move on Hasbro's part
Banshee
I think it's a good idea. I don't like huge figures that don't fit anywhere, and 7 deluxes would have been VERY big, not to mention a design nightmare, like SKowl said.

I, for one, don't mind getting a smaller, but better devastator, as well as deluxes of the 7 parts.

Who knows, they might come out with another version of movie devastator down the line, with combining basic figures or something.
CryoPrime
Lame.
n_tel_ekt
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I would be ok with it if the "drones" never transform in the movie. But if we get 7 different robots that transform into a giant robot, I want 7 different robot toys that do the same. If it's one robot and 6 vehicles which don't have a mind of their own that just transform into giant robot parts (In the movie), then hey, that will work for me as a toy.
Agree completely, toy(s) should reflect movie in regards to whether or not there will be 7 (or however many) individually realised characters, or just a giant Con that happens to be formed from multiple vehicles as opposed to one.
Shockwing
Agreed. Lame.
Ash from Carolina
Er, maybe I'm just an r-tard, but why can't they just take a play out of the super hero lines for how to do it. You know all those super hero waves you see where they have a build a figure parts packed in with your toy. That way once you've got all the Constructicons then you've also got all the parts to build Devastor with.

Not really a problem for me since I don't collect movie toys, but it does bite for my fellow collectors that they would have buy things twice if they don't so something like a build a figure. Could even bite me down the road somewhere because I always wanted a Classics deluxe version of all the Constructicons instead of tiny bots.
Foster
I'm not at all surprised, especially considering the multiple versions of on-screen characters thing so prevalent in TFs and other toy lines these days.
tusko
Wow, Hasbro dropped the ball here.

Transformers: The first sentient robots that transform. This is their historic significance and there are no drones and there are no drivers.

Combiners: a group of sentient robots in a team the combine to be a robot greater than the sum of their parts. Not armour, or boots.

Someone stand-up for the basics please. Don't take the easy way out.
Magnimus
Wait for it...

After collectors have both purchased the separate robot figures that make up Devastator but do not combine AND the combiner version of Devastator, Hasbro will release a retooled "premium" version of Devastator in which seven robots combine into one.

You heard it here folks. I have seen the future and it is lame.
Railguard
Ok wow. Who's brainchild was this? Yah someone wasn't thinking straight--- . Buy one set to transform each by themselves and then BUY another set that only combines to form one big robot? That just sounds unbelievably stupid!!! Well I'm ONLY buying the individually transforming ones and I'll leave the rest to those who want to spend their money otherwise. What a load of #@$%!!!!
Peanut04
Well hopefully Devastator will be a supreme class. If its that big with the individual bots at deluxe size, it could make for a cool display. Not sure if it would be worth the money, but it would probably look cool.
Coolhand
Hmmm.
Whilst I'm dissapointed if this is true, I have to say, I also wouldn't be suprised. And I don't mean that in a "Hasbro sets out to screw the fans" kind of way, I mean that in a "hitting the limits of what's techinically possible in a toy" kind of way.
I've been fiddling around with my movie Bonecrusher Deluxe (who has an alt mode similar to a construction vehilce in many ways) and the engineering that goes into his transformation to get him from vehicle to a bot with the complex movie asthetic is quite immense. Lots of hinges, folds and joints. Now, if he had to have a THIRD mode, to become say an upper arm or lower leg, I can quite see that he'd be a fragile, over-engineered mess that was very prone to breaking at worst or having his tabs constantly fall out at best.

For better or worse (and I'm certainly not looking to get into THAT whole can of worms), the movie asthetic is a very complex one, and having a Deluxe that can accuratly reflect that complexity in robot mode, limb mode AND have a good vehicle mode AND be a workable, sturdy toy...I can quite see why Hasbro might have to simply pass on that.
"I canna change the laws of physics, Jim!"
smkspy
So basically more double-dipping. Buy the individual deluxes that transformer into limbs and buy the individual deluxes that transform into robots.

DISAPPOINTING...to say the least.

But we're still gonna eat it up.

I'd rather they pick one or the other. Either its individual distinct robots that merge into robot or one robot that combines all his drones when he transforms.
shroobmaster
I actualy like that idea, and I'll probably get just the big version because I'm a fan of Power Rangers style big bots.
salmonman78
Good Idea I think. Deluxes that change into robot modes from vehicles will give us good representing of their self personalities.

The gestalt being just vehicles I think is being over thought as a deluxe/voyager that sticks its arms legs into things and gets bigger. The friggin vehicles will form the arms and feet plus a couple forming the body as well since there are 6-7.

They are trying to give us a better combiner than Energon(slap a part on and poof limb) and G1(love em but they aren't the most creative) that can still be accurate and playable.

I'll buy em
Robogeek28
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So basically more double-dipping. Buy the individual deluxes that transformer into limbs and buy the individual deluxes that transform into robots.

DISAPPOINTING...to say the least.

But we're still gonna eat it up.
Not everyone.



But yeah, I understand how ya feel. Even though I don't feel this way personally, this is similar to how many folks feel about the upcoming Energon combiner repaints, kind of a "what's the point" feeling since there's a new mold Silverbolt and Onslaught.
Brave Magnus
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Originally Posted by Railguard View Post
Ok wow. Who's brainchild was this? Yah someone wasn't thinking straight--- . Buy one set to transform each by themselves and then BUY another set that only combines to form one big robot? That just sounds unbelievably stupid!!! Well I'm ONLY buying the individually transforming ones and I'll leave the rest to those who want to spend their money otherwise. What a load of #@$%!!!!

Funny you say that since i was thinking in buying both sets. XD I really mean it if that's the case. If i dig Devastator i will buy the combiner set, i dont mind if they are non-robot drones, and then get the Deluxe versions if they look cool. ^^ Sure i will waste more money but right now i dont have problems with it.
Big_Truk_Convoy
Great move by Hasbro, now we can have a sturdy, articulated combined figure of devastator for once.

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