Optimus Prime to Combine with Jetfire in TF2

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I agree. Is Prime going to be the Armada type? But I have no problem with the Constructicons combiners.

make perfect sense to me.

Whatever. After that first movie there was no hope for a sequel to be good anyway (unless they re-did it) so go ahead, do what you have to do to alienate your quickly shrinking fan base.

yeah, there's a lot of stuff from G1 that I'd happily put in the closet without mothballs.

Because robotic dinosaurs isn't completely different from combining robots!

I bet if Prime and Jetfire did it in G1 everybody would be yellin' THANK YOU WRITEEEEERS FOR MY G1 FOOD.

Yup, everyone would be in here drooling over how awesome the idea is, and how their childhood is now complete.

Oh well...some more childhoods just got raped...hahaha

Robotic dinosaurs is timelessly cool and you know it. As is Devastator. Prime getting together with Jetfire isn't quite in the same league.

well it could either be a toy gimmick or be the real deal.

How I look at it though is this, Jetfire would just been extra armor and flight ability to be able to fight against the Decepticons and not get his ass whooped.


I don't care I just can't wait till the movie comes out!

Im pretty sure the generation raised on Armada thinks it's timelessly cool.

I'm not excited about this, but knowing Bay it will look amazing on screen. I was hoping that if Prime was going to combine with anything, it would be with his trailer, it would make him less dependant of others and we could get one kickass trailer toy.

Also I think that the writers should be careful on what they show us, they might ran up of ideas to early in the franchise, and if they try to give much, then things loose their impact on the audience.

yeah but by definition, if it genuinely was, it wouldn't depend on what generation you were in.

Since we're throwing around statements like "timeless," I might as well as whip out "overrated."

As in, the Dinobots are "overrated."

I really don't see how its not in the same league. Prime combining is just as "timeless" or "classic"...or whatever phrase you want to apply to it.

Again, a lot of G1 fans need to learn to separate concepts from application. The combination of Armada Prime and Jetfire is not necessarily going to be the combination of Movie Prime and Movie Jetfire. Maybe Michael Bay and ILM can pull off what Armada seems to have ruined for you guys...

Oh, and just to clarify...I grew up with G1...and I think Armada is timelessly cool.

Maybe for the third movie we'll have Bumblebee find a liquid gold pool and emerge as Goldbug and be invincible and take on Unicron, but die from a few blasts from Starscream who found a gun on the floor, as opposed to using his null rays...but then Starscream will return as a ghost...cause...you know, what's cooler than dinosaur robots? Ghost robots. Hell yes.

The way I'm picturing them combining is simmilar to the way Powermaster Prime combined with his trailer.

I could be and probably am wrong though.

If they did it in G1 I'd be scratching my head unless it had a story relevant point to why.

The whole aspect to gestalts is they were progressively built war machines of unique terror. Random combining bots takes away from that. IE
Devastator was the first of his kind, 6 bots into one mind, but got more focused on just smashing things.

Menasor- slightly smarter

Aerial Bots - also had issues.

Combaticons - finally were more towards success.

Protectobots - finally complete success

Computron being the culmination of all the research and Grimlock's new brain.

These weren't just random combining bots, these were tools created and then ultimately feared. Due to their instability and massiveness. Even in energon, the 4 gestalts were sealed away from fear of their power. So it's a mainstay throughout all the mythology not just G1.

Prime to jetfire is just wtf, why? Even in armada it was never covered as to why, nor any of his subsequent anime addon's. It was just here you go, they combine, we don't know why either, they just do. Or the planet's energy is giving them a helping hand and allowing fusion!

Bleh. Give me my science and growth and evolution of bots over mystic randomness any day. At least RiD it made sense due to them being 'brothers'.
This I will have to see execution first, but honestly it feels weird in general. I hope this is seriously only a toy feature. Or a case of misinformation.

Being G1 has nothing to do with it. I just prefer good story and reasons behind why, and a massive bot to cause devastation on the decepticons side makes sense. A flying prime with missles going everywhere that could accidentally harm humans, does not make sense at all.

Robotic dinosaurs can play up to various personalities of the bots themselves, non organic obviously, but it gives depth to some of the political machinations possible, or even other aspects it could yield of autobots agreeing with dinobots about why do they have to hide to protect the humans, and other socio-political dynamics that could yield more personality from each.

I dont understand what all the bitching is about so what if he combines with jetfire as long as it make sence which it dose. Prime didnt Combine in the first one because its wasn't too far fetched that he couldnt take megatron alone ,but when your go up against Devastator which it seems is going to be one MONSTER of a robot a little extra firepower is going to be needed. It would seems less realistic to have reg. Prime take him down. Just as long as the story and the effects are good screw the realism .... well what little there can be with giant and now titanic transforming alien robots walking around.

Here is my theory, and I know you are all sick of theories. But here is how I will make sence of it.

EVERY Transformer can combine. This greatly increases the variables in combat. Effectivly making 1 new warrior who's combined strength is more than that of the 2, or more, seperate bots.

However, this is a very dangerous tactic, a taboo among Cybertronians, as the sparks of many or all bots who have tried have been extinguished in their combonation attempts. There is however one group of bots who have dedicated their very lives to this taboo art, and therefor have perfected it and have greatly reduced their chances of losing their lives in this combonation. That being, obviously, Devastator.

This poses a problem for the Autobots. They don't have the power to defeat this monster. However, a warrior ready to give his life for the Autobot cause appears under the name Jetfire. Prime being the self sacraficing bot he is, and Jetfire being so noble to the cause, they combine to fight Devastator.

This would also explain the Megatron combining with Scorponok idea. That combination was a failure. Scorponok's spark was extinguished in the attempt, and the combination was not completed fully. Hence Megatron's gimpy arm.

Thats exactly the thing.

We don't know much about this "universe."

I'm sure this isn't just a case of the writers pulling this out of thin air. Everything in the first movie had a reason. They purposely made Prime a long nose truck so that he was close enough in scale to Megatron.

Maybe combining is something they all can do. We know for a fact they can pretty much change form at will as long as there is no "mass" difference. (Old Camaro to New Camaro, Barricade Mustang to Barricade R8)

The thing of it is, is that most are complaining about a concept that we know nothing about, other than it was used in several series, and to some...used improperly.

We have to be open to what we get...again, it doesn't make sense to have a Truck and a bunch of Sportscars against a Tank, a Jet, and a bunch of Construction vehicles that also combine.

It still makes alot more sense, plus the good thing about the Dinobots was really their full dumbassness, leave Animated to juice their dumb-minds considering Bay would just turn 'em into CARS THAT TURN INTO DINOSAURS WITH BRITISH ACCENTS EXCEPT THEY DON'T REALLY SPEAK.

They're beings that can reconfigure they're bodies into other shapes, I don't see where the big mental leap is to think that a transformer can transform in a way so that it con combine with another transformer.

It's not a mental leap for the parts, it's a mental leap of all the parts working in unison. How ever many seperate minds joined in one body.

Plus the other aspect is this takes away from the entire aspect of prime being Prime. He leads, and inspires, and fights on even in adversity and unfavorable odds. That's what makes a hero. They may have a good story reason behind why, but majorily I just don't see it working well without coming off as like some of the anime renditions we've seen. The idea of a loss of manpower for one stronger bot, when that bots isn't of a massive nature and imposing, is concerning, it's the same complaints that Transformers energon had lobbied at it. It's also a massive casualty maker, when the autobots attempted so hard in the first movie to not harm anyone, which makes it questionable for the autobots to use in general. With already having fewer numbers than the decepticons, can they really sacrifice their leader on the ground, to the sky?

If this was an option in the first movie, then why not go this route instead of wanting to sacrifice yourself as a last resort? Why not combine with jazz, or someone else to stop megatron from even getting the cube, or awaking? Yes it's a wait and see how it's done type aspect, but if this is mishandled they will be leaving a mac truck sized plot hole that will almost disregard the entire plausibility of the first movie's epic final battle. These are just some of the small concerns I have from looking at this from a creative standpoint. This is almost like the leap of X2 to X3. While it had it's wow moments, some of it was just too wtf to be heralded as another great real world like adaption.

I concur that it doesn't seem like a far reach for combining in alt modes, like frenzy has shown and Scorponok, but they also weren't working in mental unison for appendages or flight, etc.

I'll wait to see final execution, but this does worry me, barring some form of tinkering from Sam, or the new artifact, or even the allspark shard, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this idea. The allspark shard playing a factor I could cope with, as it is a mcguffin of TMA like proportions anyway and potentially could rewrite a bot in any way it chose, even far above the Cybertronians own science understanding. After much consideration, those are the only plausible directions to use and maintain story coherence well to the first movie. Devastator himself could still maintain his gestalt researched roots while Jet Prime could be used without overtly ruining what was built before hand. This method isn't sound, but I trust Orci and Kurzman on this angle moreso than the other suggested ideas.

Air dogfights with starscream and jetfire in the city and out make sense and would rock as shown in the first movie. A ground assault using everything they have on devastator similiar to the first dreamwave mini would also rock. Jet Prime flying all around devastator like a humming bird or other hover type aerial design just seems weird, and while it does relieve ground casualties, it just makes me concerned over clunkiness, and taking away from seeing the autobots use tactics to take down devastator as opposed to just upping the ante of firepower to match. Brains over Brawn.

Since people seem to be bitching a lot, I'm gonna say two robots combining doesn't suck. It's the fact that the autobot's bad ass leader needs to combine with another to fight. I bet megatron won't combine with sondwave to fight

Whoo hoo, Sonic Wing mode!

I know this is the internet and all, and being reactionary is the thing to do, but can we all concede that all we know can be boiled down to 4 words (Prime combines with Jetfire) and nothing else? All the speculation about lessening Prime's importance, questioning the logic you don't know and getting all worked up about other things you don't know is a bit much. Give the filmmakers a break, already. Let the movie come out and THEN rip them to shreds if it sucks, but at least give them a chance.

While the movie universe generally follows the G1 archetypes for the characters, nobody ever said everything in it had to be derived from G1. They've been pretty open about borrowing from the entire 25 years of Transformer mythology.

I know, I know... patience and rationality is no fun.

This whole thread should have a soundtrack by Whitesnake:

Man this is gay as hell I really hope Optimus doesn't combine with Jetfire...that is sooo lame!!! Please Roberto Orci....keep Energon gimmick bullshit out of this movie.

Armada, Energon, and Cybertron. I'm still thinking it's the allspark shard that does it, and this isn't something he was even aware of himself initially.

I do trust the movie makers, but even they can be lead astray from ill sources. Which has been one of my concerns of them interacting with the fans.

I do trust Orci and Kurzman to approach this in a logical reasonable manner though, which is why I tend to lean allspark fragment or artifact reason behind it.

If it's crap, I'm not blaming the movie makers, I'm blaming the fans since it was 'our' input that did it.




Though honestly, this makes for an awesome distraction away from if arcee is a gestalt or not. It's a great misdirection technique if it proves to be misinformation.
I'm also almost willing to put money on they call the combined form Superion. I've been having a mild nagging thought in the back of my head that Jetfire would become the movie-verse silverbolt in some fashion. =/

This is going to be AWESOME if true. I'd love to see this.

Hell yeah brother!

(and we all know 90% of the detractors are gonna go see the movie and buy the toys anyway...)

I'll still see the movie, but probably pass on the new Prime toy. One 40 dollar prime purchase was enough for that design unless it's leaps and bounds of improvement.

I generally have stuck by my word on series, though I also tend to hit the nail on the head closer than I should with some of my theories.

On the plus side at least. The corvette isn't Hot Rod. I can take solace in that. =D

Since they seem to be doing every type of combiner possible. I hope they do a Transformer with a regular robot mode and a super robot mode made from combing with their extra pieces.

Ultra Magnus would be perfect for that.

Yeah, I predict they only combine for a single scene of the final (only? lol) battle after Devastator has merged and is out-powering the autobots.

We can only guess at this point, but I suppose it would "make sense" that the new release Prime would be more accurate and more like his real appearance.

I think when they were desgning the toys for the first movie, they were still using older designs that weren't concrete yet.

Hopefully this time, since the designs for Prime and the main cast are pretty much the same...we get some more accurate transformations/robot modes.

One can only hope though, at this point.

Man, I really can't believe all the crying going on in this thread. Very laughable.

Frankly, I'm totally down with this. I enjoyed it in the animated series (even if it was a little hokey the way Prime had to combine with Jetfire/Wing Saber, etc.) and I'll enjoy this too if it's pulled off well.

Honestly, Optimus has been combining with something since before G1 (Big Powered anyone?) and I expected they'd pull this out in the movie-verse at some point (and we don't know how it'll be done yet or why... we don't know much about what exactly the Transformers can and can't do yet in this Universe either... for all we know this could be some kind of ability that all Transformers in this Universe share, but it's some kind of taboo to do so, because bad things usually come from it). Basically... we know nothing more than the fact that they will combine at this point. Also, I'm pretty sure Orci and Kurtzman (and the new guy I can never remember the name of) will explain how this is suppose to be possible... especially sense combining seems to be such a big part of the second movie.

Further more... all the Geewunners have really made my day today and have given me a lot of laughs. It's a great idea for six or five robots to combine into a towering giant that's more brawn than brains, but if two robots combine it's 'ghey' (and, seriously, I'm kind of getting tired of seeing this word used for stupid) doesn't really make for a logical position to stand in. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that if one form of combination makes sense than all of them by default must make sense. I mean, seriously, they can combine seven robots (I believe it was stated movie-verse Devastator would be seven individuals), but they don't have the tech to do two? Or doing two is just stupid? Huh? What it looks like it boils down to from reading the naysayers nerd-rage (especially with all the Prime's trailer comments) is that it's not G1 so it must, by default, 'suck balls' and be 'ghey'.

Priceless.

A more movie-accurate Optimus Prime toy would have to be the biggest selling point as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty happy with my Takara chromed out version and I'd be hesitant to get another unless it was a real upgrade (ie, more accurate). Though combining with another toy is a cool gimmick that might still get me. I bet we won't see new versions of Ratchet, Ironhide, and the like unless there's a new gimmick to them like Prime. Of course, I'm hoping for a Leader class Starscream with a more believable jet mode just like everyone else.

The problem with that logic is that Prime was introduced as a solo character. The other combiners all were introduced as having the ability from the onset. Later incarnations of Combiner Prime rarely had that ability explained. I can only think of two instances myself: PM Prime and RID Omega Prime.

I agree with Deadend that there should be some logical explanation for how and why Prime is able to combine with Jetfire. Of course, I expect the same thing with Devastator and any other combiners in the movie. The only difference I see is that Devastator already has a lot of back story/mythos to draw from and Jet Prime does not.

But before anyone gets out the torches, I am not saying this is a dealbreaker by any means. I will see the film because it's a TF film. That's really all I need to know to go see it. A spoiler could say that Prime turns into a Care Bear and Bumblebee's a My Little Pony who gives Bear Prime horsey rides and I'd still go to see it.

The point being, just because I may not like one aspect of the film does not mean I will be a hypocrite by seeing it anyway.

It shouldn't. The only thing that could possibly work is if...um...

Nope. Don't think this will turn out well. As much as I like the idea of Jetfire being in the sequel, I really don't want any combiners for the Autobots...at least not until Transformers 3. Leave the combining to the Constructicons.

You know, re: Prime combining...

It's a heck of a lot less cheesy than how he downed Devastator singlehandedly in DW's comics.

That scene could be dramatic - imagine if say Jetfire had to die for Prime to do the combination.

So then it would become tragic at the same time.

As long as he doesn't yell out "Optimus Prime, SUPER-MODE!!" I'll be fine with it.

I'm guessing it's not going to be some kind of power up thing. More than likely it'll just be armor that will let prime fly. Probably so he can attack Devastator's head.

I dunno how Scale will work, but I am SURE they will pull it off, and do it well.

However, you all need to think of this. Jetfire's alt-mode may be BIG, but it isn't BULKY. It's thin, it's skinny, it's not gonna be THAT big in Robot mode.

But I want at least an anime-style combination sequence myself. Where it shows all the armor going on with a cool background effect and awesome energetic fight music going. Ending with him making a pose and immediately taking flight and dishing it out to Devastator.

He leaps up and fires off an arsenal. The giant staggers backward. Prime then flies in, dodging Devvy's arms, brings out his blade and shoves it straight into Devastator's head, the force of his impact knocking the gestalt down.

But then how will they get psyched up?

I,for one, would find it hilarious i fthey made all of the transformers have stock transformations, or at least yell out "Turansufomu!"


edit: or a transformer that lands first in japan and picks up a bunch of cliches from Super Robot shows.

I dont know how I feel about this. Probably just needs time to sink in.

I guess it depends on how it's done in the movie. If Prime needs to combine to take out a lackey like Devastator, or get a boost into outer space, I wouldn't mind it so much. Provided he gets to kick ass all by his lonesome in the climax.

Headmaster!
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Is it just me, or does it seem that they are doing almost every kind of combiner. With this, devie, and the rumors of arcee being three bikes.

I'm trying to stay away from spoilers as much as possible. Can we PLEASE be more discrete about the subject headers and text on the main page?

Whoa, let's calm ourselves a little. Whilst the vicious "fanboy" responses are sometimes a bit strong, they do bring up some good points.

I've been really open-minded about the development of the both movies, including the messy robot modes of ALL the bots. However, I agree that I would find it odd for the Prime of THIS TF universe, the rock and guiding light of the tiny Autobot cause, to merge with another sentient being, unless of course it transpires that Jetfire is older or of higher rank than Prime...otherwise it will have to be a sacrifice from Prime in order for me to accept this as anything less than a gimmick.

And before I'm criticised for sucking on the G1 lollipop too hard, I'm not against the decepticon combiners as they're a team and were designed to combine.

As for the scale issue, it does worry me but I have greater faith in the team that they'll overcome that somehow.

So basically, we're gonna have to lump it anyway, let's just try and see the bright side. Like we had to with messy 'bot modes, crappy and nonsensical, detached dialogue, and the fact that the designers never thought out the transformations well enough to present us with logical or even clear transformations!

Sigh.

I don't like this.