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Michael Bay Comments On The Dinobots - I Hate Them

Posted on 07-27-2009 at 09:30 PM by soundwaveCA under Transformers Movie (Just Movie) (All Transformers Movie News)
michael_bay
According to an article in the latest issue of Empire magazine Transformers Revenge of the Fallen director Michael Bay makes clear his views on the inclusion (or lack thereof) of the Dinobot's in the live action films. Bay comments that "They've never been discussed [for inclusion]. I don't like them. Actually, I hate them.". This comes as sad news to fans of the beloved G1 characters and does not bode well for those hoping for the inclusion of the Dinobot's for the third installment of the film.
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enkidoamark
I never really thought we'd get them. I really wouldn't want to see how they'd look in movieverse.
Opticron Primal
Eh, whatever.

That mindset just helped him avoid any fanboy rage he would have gotten if he ever decided to include them in TF3.
soundwaveCA
Frankly I don't blame him, I don't see the Dinobot's fitting into the movieverse at all either.
ORIO
Grimlock could at least be used as a tank or something...
transformers32
But wouldnt it of been cool to see a couple dinobots take out devastator and not that rail gun?? IMO that would of been awesome....
Autobot Burnout
In terms of the movieverse, I'm on Bay's side here. In all seriousness, the dinobots would be pointless and hard to even plausibly write into the movie.

Plus, outside of Grimlock being a total bad-ass most of the time, all the Dinobots usually sound like cavemen and would not be interesting to the audience.
Opticron Primal
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Grimlock could at least be used as a tank or something...
Yet you know there will be a ton of people who will not listen to reason and continuously complain about him not being a T-rex.
Slimaximus
I vote Tank style Grimlock, but the dinobots as a whole just won't work in Bayverse
BMGFX
While maybe he could have worded it better, I don't really want to see the Dinobots in the movies either.
Angelwave
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Originally Posted by Autobot Burnout View Post
In terms of the movieverse, I'm on Bay's side here. In all seriousness, the dinobots would be pointless and hard to even plausibly write into the movie.

Plus, outside of Grimlock being a total bad-ass most of the time, all the Dinobots usually sound like cavemen and would not be interesting to the audience.
I also agree there really isn't a reason for them to be in there. However I'm sure they wouldn't have been given any lines anyways if there were in it, so.......

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Originally Posted by Opticron Primal View Post
Yet you know there will be a ton of people who will not listen to reason and continuously complain about him not being a T-rex.
No truer words
Optimus Sledge
Of course he doesn't like them, they weren't in the orginal series. Hell, Bay is still trying to figure out why he had to change Leader-1's name and make him a truck.
Sso02V
I'm not really a big fan of the Dinobots either. Can I has news article?
Mechafire
I predict incoming nerdrage.
Incepticon
To be fair to Bay and the writers, there's a good chance that they don't actually know who or what the Dinobots even are considering how incredibley unaware they are of every character that they did include in both movies so far. Bay saying he hates them is probably just his clever way of admitting that he hasn't learned about them yet at "Transformers school".

/sarcasm

In all seriousness, though, I'm in agreement with everyone who doesn't want to see giant robot dinosaurs included in these movies. Not just because they wouldn't make any sense at all, but more so because they'd undoubtedly end up being something vastly different to what anyone expects after Bay & ILM are done with them. Devastator #2 is a great example. For whatever reason, even after watching TF1 and seeing what was done with all the characters in terms of new designs, many people still naively hoped and/or assumed that Devy would resemble his G1 version... and even went so far as to start throwing around various images of a poorly done CGI version standing in a construction site to show how "cool" he would look... aaaaaand then look at what we got. That should be all the (final) proof anyone needs to realize that any theoretical Dinobots included in TF3 would likely bare zero resemblance to whatever it is that they're picturing in their heads (ie: like the dozens of fan made pics of 'robotized' Jurassic Park images).
Alienbot
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Originally Posted by Incepticon View Post
In all seriousness, though, I'm in agreement with everyone who doesn't want to see giant robot dinosaurs included in these movies. Not just because they wouldn't make any sense at all, but more so because they'd undoubtedly end up being something vastly different to what anyone expects after Bay & ILM are done with them. Devastator #2 is a great example. For whatever reason, even after watching TF1 and seeing what was done with all the characters in terms of new designs, many people still naively hoped and/or assumed that Devy would resemble his G1 version... and even went so far as to start throwing around various images of a poorly done CGI version standing in a construction site to show how "cool" he would look... aaaaaand then look at what we got. That should be all the (final) proof anyone needs to realize that any theoretical Dinobots included in TF3 would likely bare zero resemblance to whatever it is that they're picturing in their heads (ie: like the dozens of fan made pics of 'robotized' Jurassic Park images).
Design wise, it'd still be pretty cool. That's not what I've concluded from this Bay quote though: rather I'd not have someone include the Dinobots if someone on the film's crew wasn't a big fan of them (eg. Prime is Orci's favourite, Bumblebee is Bay and Spielberg's).
SAF7
Oh well. Like everyone here, I never believed for a second that Dinobots (with dino alt-modes) would ever make it into TF3, but I was kind of hoping for at least Grimlock in a vehicle alt-mode. After reading this, though, no thanks. We all know what happens to characters that Bay doesn't like, after all.
Ephland
If you want to have a character called Grimlock with that personality, then cool. But as several others have pointed out, it's just not going to work having robots who turn into dinosaurs. Because their robot modes would have to be huge, or their dino modes would have to be comparatively small. Either way, it's not gonna work.

I suppose if you had a group of 5 robots that combined into a big ass T-Rex looking robot, then that could work.
Thundercrackah
I don't care about the Dinobots not being in the live action movies.
I don't much care about them in any incarnation actually.
Optronix_prime
Eh, fanboys should understand, the Dinobots are pretty goddamn dumb in concept, and would only work in "kid friendly" cartoons, a "dumb" character like Grimlock has no place in the movies.

Cool characters....on TV

In the movie...retarded
Da_Razorsaw
WHOOP DE FRIKKIN DOO!

Seriously, the guy can't be expected to love all our friggin sacred cows.
BradTheMad
Have to agree with most on this thread; it simply wouldn't work. I don't know if that interview with Bay was taken out of context or not but saying he hates something is not smart IMO, just say you don't intend to use them because *whatever*.

I personally never much cared for the Dinobots but I can understand some people will be disappointed.
EvaUnit13
would've been cool for the dinobots to get regular alt modes and transform into dinosaurs
Cory Bauer
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Originally Posted by Alienbot View Post
By the way, isn't it ironic they won't put robots that turn into actual dinosaurs in, but have put in a scorpion (Scorponok), Ravage (a cat), Scalpel (who resembles a spider), a Starscream with a bird face and legs, Insecticons, a praying mantis (Frenzy) and numerous others who bear similarities with various animals?
No, it isn't.
Dolza_Khyron
i have to agree... i am not too big of a fan of the "g1" dinobot's personalities, i'd rather have them just talk normally... and have normal brain power... rather then be idiots, but then again my favorite dinobot... well, IS dinobot...

Optimus Sledge
Guys, you have to remember that robot dinosaurs would be very silly in the realistic world Bay and his team have created. Robot cats and scorpions are entirely different.



Somehow.
AniProwl
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Originally Posted by Autobot Burnout View Post
In terms of the movieverse, I'm on Bay's side here. In all seriousness, the dinobots would be pointless and hard to even plausibly write into the movie.

Plus, outside of Grimlock being a total bad-ass most of the time, all the Dinobots usually sound like cavemen and would not be interesting to the audience.
Better than the lame twins

Thank goodness he hates them or he'll ruin or sideline them if he liked them.
bradinmo
I don't see why people say the dinobots wouldn't work in the movieverse. As has been pointed out, there have already been plenty of animal-like transformers in the first two movies. None of which required any explanation as to their animal modes. They were just presented on screen and the audience accepted that reality.
Both movies took a lot of liberties with reality and didn't provide explanations (i.e. multiple constructicons being separate from Devastator, characters that died in the first movie looking like characters in the second movie, characters disappearing from the movie once their scenes are finished, etc.) The dinobots could easily be written into a future film. I'm sure they would be different from past incarnations, but that's true of all movieverse characters.
I think this is a perfect example of why I hope Michael Bay does not return for a 3rd film. If you are going to revamp a franchise that has been going strong for 25 years, I think you should stick with what has obviously resonated with the fans. When the characters and themes that have made Transformers so successful are discarded or handled poorly, you're setting yourself up for failure. The most recent Transformers film has been a box-office hit but was poorly reviewed by both critics and fans in many cases. Eventually, the novelty of seeing our childhood characters on the big screen will begin to fade and the movie franchise will be in trouble because there won't be those enduring characters and stories to keep us hooked.
I guess my point is, a smart director and writing team would spend less time on comedy relief twins and more time on characters that have been proven fan-favorites such as Soundwave, Shockwave, The Dinobots, etc.
Sso02V
Robot animals are not the same thing as robots turning into animals. Just because Ravage and Scorponok share similar physical features with Earth creatures doesn't mean that a bipedal robot turning into a slightly shorter bipedal robot is a good idea.
SPLIT LIP
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Frankly I don't blame him, I don't see the Dinobot's fitting into the movieverse at all either.
Werd. Plus, if you haven't read the comics, it's not hard to hate them.

To me, when I hear "Dinobot" I think of the badass from Beast Wars.


But as people have stated, you can't compare the Dinobots to the other animals, because 1. the dino modes aren't their robot modes, and 2. all the animals have physical advantages like agility, stealth and whatever, and teh Diobots don't have this. (Swoop would be good because he can fly, but why put Swoop in without everyone else?)
Bumblethumper
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Grimlock could at least be used as a tank or something...
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Originally Posted by Opticron Primal View Post
Yet you know there will be a ton of people who will not listen to reason and continuously complain about him not being a T-rex.
that's because they'd be stupid reasons. What's the point of doing dinobots as combaticons or constructicons or something?

There's lots of explanations for robot dinosaurs. And in all seriousness, it's a Michael Bay movie, so if anyone's worried about whether it'd make total sense or not, you're in the wrong movie, and you've missed the point. And the point is: it'd be awesome.

Anyway, I kinda suspect this may just be more Bayception BS.
Ravenxl7
This isn't surprising, but at the same time I would hope he'd at least consider including a character like Grimlock. The thought of giant robotic dinosaurs on the big screen does seem kind of odd, but to get Grimlock "right", he doesn't have to turn into a T-rex, imo. His personality, limited vocabulary, and short temper are important, imo, for a good Grimlock. A brutal alt-mode, say a tank, would be nice, but he could turn into a truck for all I really care.
Wolfguard
What matters to me regarding Bay is that he makes movies that entertain me, and make feel I got my money's worth. I honestly don't care what he hates or loves - he's entitled to have an opinion like everyone else - and while it's too bad some characters don't or won't make it to the big screen, I can deal and enjoy what I got. Personally, I like dinosaurs and love the Dinobots, and if I really want to see Dinobots in a TF flick, I'll pop in the 1986 DVD movie.


Incepticon
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Originally Posted by bradinmo View Post
I don't see why people say the dinobots wouldn't work in the movieverse. As has been pointed out, there have already been plenty of animal-like transformers in the first two movies. None of which required any explanation as to their animal modes. They were just presented on screen and the audience accepted that reality.
And as has been pointed numerous other times, a handful of drone robots that resemble animals that currently exist in our world is a far cry from robots taking on the disguise of extinct prehistoric lizards that no human has ever set eyes on as "alt" modes. THAT is why people say the Dinobots wouldn't work. And they're all right.

But again, what part of either movie leads anyone to believe that Bay is taking any notes whatsoever from... well... ANY previous story line or character design done in the cartoons? The first movie was proof positive enough that he's doing his own thing, and the second movie reconfirmed that fact a million fold. You don't have to like or agree with it - I don't - but 4 years and 2 movies in, it's time to accept it for what it is.
Black Oracle
I'm not a great Dinobots fan myself, so this doesn't bother me too much. But it is rather blunt of Bay to say it that directly, some fans may be upset.
Optimus Sledge
Hell, I'd rather Bay be honest rather than making up bullshit reasons about them not fitting in with his vision. He doesn't like them. Fair do's. That's a perfectly valid reason not to use them. It's not like there's a shortage of other characters to introduce in future films.
Omnius
The problem is: If Bay attempted to get the Dinobots in TF3, no matter how he goes about it be it robot dinosaur alt modes, 'realistic' dinosaur alt modes a la BW, totally new alt modes, there would still be an ocean of dissatisfied fanboy tears large enough to flood the Western Hemisphere. We're all better off without the level of butthhurt that any movieverse Dinobots would create.
Gigatron_2005
Well, that was not a surprise given the fact that Michael Bay hates Transformers in general.

And how can dinosaurs be stupid for the movie when the last movie included Ravage as a cat thing? Protoforms cant scan a dinosaur at a museum? Thats too stupid? And after a soda machine transformed into a robot in that first movie?
Backscatter
I told my MP about this:

"Me Grimlock no like Bay!"
frilly toothpick
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I told my MP about this:

"Me Grimlock no like Bay!"
Digilaut
I wouldn't want them in the movies. Expanded universe? Maybe..but not in the actual movie itself. I'm ok with the 'pets', since those are animals that live today..and the Pretender thing makes sense up to a point too..but robots that transform into dinosaurs? No thanks..

Seeing as how most movie bots are drastically different from their namesakes we know anyway, it's probably for the better. The dinobots would turn out very different in robot looks from what people want and there would be alot of bitching.

Michael Bay is a wizard with words, though! He can construct a gazillion different sentences and all make them sound blunt, harsh or ignorant!
aprim
After seeing Rotf I think Bay hates all transformers.
He don't even care enough about that bots make it in the moive except MUddflap and SKids cause they were his own invention.

I love the dinobots but please leave them out of the movies.
I have a hard time looking a devastator after seeing him in rotf.
Just leave them alone.
Incepticon
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Originally Posted by Gigatron_2005 View Post
And how can dinosaurs be stupid for the movie when the last movie included Ravage as a cat thing? Protoforms cant scan a dinosaur at a museum? Thats too stupid? And after a soda machine transformed into a robot in that first movie?
Cats existing: check
Insects existing: check
Scorpions existing: check
Soda Machines existing: check
Toasters & Clocks existing: check
Giant Prehistoric Dinosaurs existing: can't say I've seen a T-Rex running around lately...

How or why a protoform would scan a skeleton or hollow model with fiberglass 'skin' of a big lizard in a museum is just beyond stupid - even by Bay standards. By that logic, they could just as easily choose to scan a model of a Sasquatch... or a Yeti... or a dragon... or better yet, the Lochness Monster since it's really big. It's not like they'd be able to tell the difference between extinct animals that were real vs. made-up mythical ones. And if they could tell the difference, thanks to learning about humans from the internet and all, then they'd also know that dinosaurs haven't existed for millions of years and therefore would be utterly ridiculous to take on as alt modes.

I can't believe this has ever turned into a debate where the 'real life' Bayformer movies are concerned.
Gigatron_2005
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Originally Posted by Incepticon View Post
Cats existing: check
Insects existing: check
Scorpions existing: check
Soda Machines existing: check
Toasters & Clocks existing: check
Giant Prehistoric Dinosaurs existing: can't say I've seen a T-Rex running around lately...

How or why a protoform would scan a skeleton or hollow model with fiberglass 'skin' of a big lizard in a museum is just beyond stupid - even by Bay standards. By that logic, they could just as easily choose to scan a model of a Sasquatch... or a Yeti... or a dragon... or better yet, the Lochness Monster since it's really big. It's not like they'd be able to tell the difference between extinct animals that were real vs. made-up mythical ones. And if they could tell the difference, thanks to learning about humans from the internet and all, then they'd also know that dinosaurs haven't existed for millions of years and therefore would be utterly ridiculous to take on as alt modes.

I can't believe this has ever turned into a debate where the 'real life' Bayformer movies are concerned.
The dinobots are stupid. Bay is stupid. Dinobots scanning structures at a museum seems about right all things considered IMO. Seems like a Bayformer would think that a giant lizard killing machine would be "badass" or "hardcore" or somethings stupid.
newguy
thats cool. Is it really a big deal if he doesn't like the dinobots? It's his life. He can like whatever the hell he wants.
TriBlurr
As someone who considers himself a HUGE Dinobots fan (Both G1 and BW), I can say that this dosen't bother me the least. Plenty of people dislike or hate characters I don't, so no issues there. I knew from the beginning that the Dinobots showing up was a long shot. This just gives a conformation on that shot......none.

Granted that dosen't mean we won't get ever movieverse Dinobots. Hasbro could crank some out I'm sure. If we can get a tank that turns into a undead samurai....why not some Dinobots? Hell they could probably appear in the new cartoon, assuming the rumors about it being movie based are true. I got me some Dinobots in animated, so I'm satisfied for now.
stevej
Meh. Not really bothered about the movie-verse anyway so I really don't care about who Bay hates or doesn't hate.

If he did include them they'd probably follow some racist stereotype for being large, overbearing and a perhaps a little slow on the uptake.

Oh wait, they'd be Americans then. ;-) I'm just kidding my American friends!
Mastodon
I was just about to launch into a whole long post about how this is yet another example of Michael Bay having no respect whatsoever for the Transformers franchise, but I recently received a reality check from another board member. Now I am thankful for anything with the TF logo on it!
shroobmaster
Don't worry Bay, you're still on my christmas card list!

As long as you don't go around hatin' any Lugnut.
Bumblethumper
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Originally Posted by Mastodon View Post
I was just about to launch into a whole long post about how this is yet another example of Michael Bay having no respect whatsoever for the Transformers franchise, but I recently received a reality check from another board member. Now I am thankful for anything with the TF logo on it!

in all seriousness, I think Transformers is worth more to Bay than Bay is to Transformers. There's no need to be pathetically grateful.

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