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Corey Burton Uninterested In Reprising Shockwave For Transformers 3, David Warner Is Rumored

Posted on 12-19-2010 at 08:58 PM by SilverOptimus under Transformers Movie (Just Movie) (All Transformers Movie News)
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Corey Burton; the G1 (and the recent Transformers: Animated) voice of Shockwave, answered some fan questions at his Official Forum.

When asked…
“...with regards to the live action Michael Bay movies, were you ever contacted about reprising? I can't imagine anyone else being shockwave except you; sadly he doesn't appear (and they even got frank welker back but not as megatron and they forgot to make his soundwave voice awesome)."

Mr. Burton’s answer was…
"I was given the opportunity to audition for Jazz (a totally incomprehensible request for me to even attempt), and "Brawl" (you might recall I was Brawn in the early series), but it was just a one line "cameo" bit that didn't seem worth jumping through all the audition hoops, just for a 2-second bit of scale rate "incidental" VO work.
It is rumored that David Warner himself has been under consideration for the next live-action/CGI movie production, as Shockwave - which I feel is entirely appropriate, given Mr. Bay's propensity for casting Screen Personalities over multi-voiced off-camera "cartoon" character voice actors - and Mr. Warner's outstanding history of consistently vivid and "savory" character performances (a much under-appreciated and impressively versatile master craftsman in the fine art of Acting, across the entire spectrum of audio/visual performance media). I wish them nothing but the very best for the wildly successful franchise; and have practically no interest in that kind of mega-budget movie enterprise involvement. I'm much too busy as it is, and thoroughly rewarded already many times over for the work I've done under the Transformers brand."


David Warner has often played villains, in films such as Tron (1982) and television series such as Batman: The Animated Series playing Ra's al Ghul, the anti-mutant scientist Herbert Landon in Spider-Man: The Animated Series as well as rogue agent Alpha in the animated Men in Black series.

Do you think that Mr. Warner will be a better Shockwave for Transformers: Dark of the Moon?
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03Mach1
After reading the article I just can't shake the feeling that I've heard this story before...


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thygriever
so he's saying that he wouldn't be interested in voicing for the TF movies cuz they're so "big"?
netkid
This should give people an idea of what he sounds like today:

YouTube - Doctor Who: Dreamland - David Warner

I think he could still pull off a great voice, even if it may sound a bit older. I won't complain, Cullen's Prime sounds older and I like the current state of that voice even more because of it. I think it can also work well for Shockwave.
Doug
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Originally Posted by Chris McFeely View Post
You're probably going to know him best as characters like Herbert Landon from the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, Ra's Al-Ghul in "Batman", the Archmage in "Gargoyles", Alpha from "Men in Black: The Series", Nergal in "Billy and Mandy", Sark in "Tron", and a bunch of other recurring and one-shot villain roles in various 90s cartoons, but he's also a huge classically-trained Shakespearian actor.

And is the bloke who gets his head chopped off by the glass pane in "The Omen".
He also played Bob Cratchit in the 1984 TV version of "A Christmas Carol" with George C. Scott.
Sizzle
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Originally Posted by GreenChick View Post
WHAT? No one else can do Shockwave. Corey's portray makes my inner fangirl scream just as much, if not more so, as Cullen's. How can they...

David Warner. David fucking WARNER???

Michael Bay, do you hear this? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE learn from ROTF, THIS WILL MAKE FANS HAPPY!
Please tell me you're joking?

Ugh..this fandom...

Oh, and by the way, in case no one has mentioned this before, he was Spicer Lovejoy, Billy Zane's bodyguard in Titanic.

I would kill for Shockwave to be facing an aircraft carrier and say "You know, I believe this ship may sink!" before blasting it to atoms.
Doug
Does anybody remember the 1979 movie "Time After Time"? David Warner played Jack The Ripper who time traveled into the future to San Francisco.

I think he played the best villain in that movie.
Paxtin
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Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
Please tell me you're joking?

Ugh..this fandom...
I think they were kinda joking, actually. I think you're misreading Green's comment. Take another go over it. They were mock fan raging over it, leading into mock realization that it might be David Warner, and then fan gushing over it.
Fit For natalie
I will be VERY VERY happy if David Warner is cast.

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Originally Posted by eagc7 View Post
soooo brawl was Meant to talk at some point?
Barricade was known as "Brawl" during production, and the tank guy we know as Brawl was called "Devastator".

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Originally Posted by dr.b View Post
I thought David Warner did voice Shockwave, since the voice sounded so much like him. If Shockwave is only going to have a line or two, there's no reason to go through the trouble of showing up. You could throw anyone's voice on a vocader and be done with it.
Corey Burton apparently based Shockwave's voice on David Warner's.

Also, there's more to voicing Transformers than just the vocoder, as seen by the numerous failed attempts (in real Transformers products and in fan voice things) to emulate Frank Welker's Soundwave voice. As I understand, Welker just played it normally (as heard in Revenge of the Fallen), then they gave it the monotone quality in post. However, it seems like most voice actors since have attempted to play the role monotone, leading to this dull, lifeless double-monotone voice for most subsequent versions of Soundwave.
Nerdicon
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. Warner is the man. And luckily Burton seems to pull for him to have the role. He's got my vote. (and I'll forge your vote if you don't like him. so grrrrrr.)
Sizzle
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Originally Posted by Paxtin View Post
I think they were kinda joking, actually. I think you're misreading Green's comment. Take another go over it. They were mock fan raging over it, leading into mock realization that it might be David Warner, and then fan gushing over it.
I hope you're right, but I fear your sig may be appropo in the face of this one.
Bumblethumper
While I generally feel professional voice actors like Burton do a better job than big screen Hollywood actors, David Warner has a fine voice, and actually has a long history of doing voicework.

I suppose most people remember him as Titanic's evil butler, and I was just watching him in Tron recently and can well imagine him in the part of Shockwave.
Alienbot
I was all for David Warner considering he inspired Burton's vocal characterization for Shockwave.
Moy
Ouch.
rainningstorm
As awesome as it may be to have either one of them for the role. Does shockwave have to have a british accent to be a giant evil alien robot? Taking note this is the bayverse...
swarlock
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Originally Posted by GreenChick View Post
WHAT? No one else can do Shockwave. Corey's portray makes my inner fangirl scream just as much, if not more so, as Cullen's. How can they...

David Warner. David fucking WARNER???

Michael Bay, do you hear this? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE learn from ROTF, THIS WILL MAKE FANS HAPPY!
Burton declined and fully support David Warner's involvement. Not that I really have a vested interest in Bay's movies and I can respect Corey's decision.
swarlock
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Originally Posted by Kaijumaster View Post
WOW! Is it just me or can you FEEL Corey burtons lack of respect for Bay while at the same time making sure none of us get the immpression he feels that way about David Warner?
I can. And good for him on both counts.
Draven
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Originally Posted by Xenomrph View Post
I feel like an idiot because I don't know who David Warner is. If I knew who he was I think I'd be more excited by the prospect of him as Shockwave.
Ever seen the episode of Star Trek: the Next Generation where Picard is captured and tortured by the Cardassians (the episode with "there are four lights!")? His interrogator was played by David Warner. Cold, methodical and chilling.
Sizzle
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Originally Posted by Bumblethumper View Post
While I generally feel professional voice actors like Burton do a better job than big screen Hollywood actors,
I'm curious to know what makes you say this, or if you can give me an example. I've always thought quite the opposite.
Dolza_Khyron
good, leaves Burton open to voice characters in tf prime;
Starscreamsfan
YEAH MAN, DAVID WARNER AS SHOCKWAVE WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screamers
Whom ever they cast is really their choice.. Corey's feelings about it and the comments on the short casting role of only a few lines stand true.

But as to who would be the better Shockwave, I have to say Corey Burton. He'll always be the best.
dragon
could be i have nothing against frank welker but i forogt his name actor who played megatron in the first 2 films played megatron very well, starscream to but in the second film i felt they should have left starscreams voice alone his voice has slightyl changed in the second
SoundFire Prime
Wow. WOW. The David Warner as Shockwave??? That would be x 150!!!
Slogra
So why isn't that the big news? Seen him in Christmas Carol and he could well add a lil flair to this mess to be.
Bovril
Like it really matters. Shockwave will probably speak about 10 words in the whole film and they'll be unintelligable like most the other decepticons.
Baird
Very disappointing.
FREEWAY
David Warner as Shockwave! That'd be great! I've enjoyed everything he's done with Star Trek (VI, TNG,) and any other movie and appearence he's been in. He has the perfect monotone we'd hope for with the Shockwave character. His vocal diction expertise would really shine if they pick him for the character. He made a perfect Cardassian... He is the master of talking without emotion...
Jackpot
For any doubters, check out this Ra's Al Ghul performance, particularly the line at 1:40 ("And when the resultant cataclysm has abated..."):

YouTube - Batman and Ra's al Ghul

I didn't realize how good Burton's Warner impression really was. Edit: Heh. Good enough that they cast him as Sark in "Kingdom Hearts II," I just learned.
MrSoundwaveGuy
I can totally understand why Burton isn't interested in voicing Shockwave for the film, and David Warner really is the next best choice.
Doug
I remember David Warner had a small part in the movie "Wing Commander". He did'nt play a villian.
Enigma2K2
Hope the quality of the movie can match the quality of the VA selection.
Bumblethumper
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Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
I'm curious to know what makes you say this, or if you can give me an example. I've always thought quite the opposite.
Dreamworks animated movies with top-billed celebrity voice actors, celebrity guest stars on the Simpsons. There are of course various exceptions, but I generally think it's more of a specialised skill. Like singing or dancing. An actor can often do a perfectly adequate job. But a professional can do so much more.
Johnator
You can tell Burton can't stand Michael Bay.

Ra's Al-Ghul as Shockwave?? Awesome.
dr.b
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Originally Posted by FREEWAY View Post
David Warner as Shockwave! That'd be great! I've enjoyed everything he's done with Star Trek (VI, TNG,) and any other movie and appearence he's been in. He has the perfect monotone we'd hope for with the Shockwave character. His vocal diction expertise would really shine if they pick him for the character. He made a perfect Cardassian... He is the master of talking without emotion...
David Warner has one of my favorite all time voices. I just don't want him to take the job if he's going to have 2 or 3 words in the film. It's to early to say how many lines Shock will have, but I hope they're at least memorable.
Awesomus Prime
Personally, I was hoping that we got David Warner, instead of Corey Burton.

Don't get me wrong, Burton's awesome. But, I've been itching to hear what the guy he based his voice off of would do with the character.

If plans with Warner fall through, then my next recommendation would be Alan Rickman. He would be a phenomenal Shockwave.

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You can tell Burton can't stand Michael Bay.
I couldn't... None of what he said really came off as "Anti-Bay".
Bumblethumper
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Originally Posted by Awesomus Prime View Post
I couldn't... None of what he said really came off as "Anti-Bay".
yeah, he's very professional about stuff like this.
Sizzle
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Originally Posted by Bumblethumper View Post
Dreamworks animated movies with top-billed celebrity voice actors, celebrity guest stars on the Simpsons. There are of course various exceptions, but I generally think it's more of a specialised skill. Like singing or dancing. An actor can often do a perfectly adequate job. But a professional can do so much more.
And none of those prove your point.

Screen actors are almost always better at voice acting than the so-called professionals, because they understand the nuance better instead of just the vocal inflection.
Stahi
Don't forget, he was Federation Ambassador St. John Talbot in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier AND Klingon Chancellor Gorkon in both Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and the video game Klingon Academy.

Oh, and Gul Madred in the Star Trek: The Next Generation two-parter episode "Chain of Command."

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS.
Bumblethumper
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Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
And none of those prove your point.

Screen actors are almost always better at voice acting than the so-called professionals, because they understand the nuance better instead of just the vocal inflection.
well that's your view and you're entitled to it.

A good voice actor can create a whole character with just their voice. Really bring it to life and give it a sense of identity. In my experience the people that make a living in this specialised niche tend to be better at it than big name stars whose appeal owes more to their physical on-screen presence. You see a really good voice actor in recording session, and it's almost like they're channelling the voice. You see a big hollywood star, and they're making a lot of hand gestures and facial expressions, but the voice itself is nothing special.

Like I said, there's exceptions, and David Warner has a fine voice and a solid history of voicework. They'll be lucky if they get someone of his calibre.
Sizzle
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Originally Posted by Bumblethumper View Post
well that's your view and you're entitled to it.

A good voice actor can create a whole character with just their voice. Really bring it to life and give it a sense of identity. In my experience the people that make a living in this specialised niche tend to be better at it than big name stars whose appeal owes more to their physical on-screen presence. You see a really good voice actor in recording session, and it's almost like their channelling the voice. You see a big hollywood star, and they're making a lot of hand gestures and facial expressions, but the voice itself is nothing special.

Like I said, there's exceptions, and David Warner has a fine voice and a solid history of voicework. They'll be lucky if they get someone of his calibre.
The industry disagrees with you. And it's because you're wrong.
Wheeljack_Prime
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Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
The industry disagrees with you. And it's because you're wrong.
Actually, he's not. A good voice actor can put a lot more than just vocal inflections into the voice. Your run of the mill film/TV actor does not care or know how to compartmentalize the voice from the rest of the body. It's obvious that the vast majority of screen actors these days have not had a voice/speech class in their life.
Bumblethumper
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Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
The industry disagrees with you. And it's because you're wrong.
Well in the case of a studio like Dreamworks, it has more to do with the bankability of using well-known actors, and the fact that they can do all the talk-shows and attract interest that way. So they'll get someone like Bruce Willis voicing a racoon.
Tyrant
I'm beyond okay with Warner as Shockwave instead of Burton. I can't imagine a more perfect replacement than the very man's voice that inspired Shockwave's voice to begin with. Having watched the original Tron movie in preparation for Tron: Legacy not even a week ago, I'd forgotten just how insanely cool Warner's voice is.
tfan123
I liked him in tron, so he seems like a good voice
scorpio-prime
Warners finest role - Evil!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEenKy1S4S0
Optimist_Prime
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soooo brawl was Meant to talk at some point?
What? You didn't hear all those gurgling noises he made? Those are hard to pull to pull off.
DecepticonsRule
That's really disappointing. Burton would make an awesome Shockwave, it's a shame that he's not going to do it.
Voiceroy
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Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
Screen actors are almost always better at voice acting than the so-called professionals, because they understand the nuance better instead of just the vocal inflection.
Wow. Just wow. You sound so much like a studio executive it's scary. And you're offending professional voice actors making a statement like that. You can't assume that just because an actor is on-camera it automatically makes them understand voice acting better, or somehow makes them a better actor. Even Variety.com acknowledged this in an article earlier this year:

Variety: Hollywood Actors Face ‘Special Challenges’ in Voice Acting

There are big differences between acting for on-camera, voice acting, and acting for the stage.

I completely back Bumblethumper's opinion, and so do a host of other professional voice actors.

And you want examples? I'll give you examples.

In his voiceover workshops, Bob Bergen, current voice of Porky Pig, gives an example of an "A-List celebrity" (whom a major studio was considering for one of their animated feature films) trying to run around in the recording studio to show that his character was running. The directors and engineers in the sound room just looked on stupefied. They told him that wasn't necessary and he needed to stay on the microphone. The actor replied that he couldn't do that -- he needed to physically run to show that his character was running.

One of animation's top voice directors, Andrea Romano, gives an example on the behind-the-scenes documentary included on "Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths" of Billy Baldwin recording as Batman. He was physically hitting himself in the studio to make the sound of Batman fighting and being hit. Romano told him that he didn't have to hurt himself, just imagine the scenario and make vocalizations accordingly. But Baldwin was such a "method actor" that he didn't know any other way to express it through his voice without the physicality.

And here are some examples of poor voice acting by celebrities:

Brad Pitt - Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas
Billy Bob Thonrton - Princess Mononoke
Alyssa Milano - Ghostbusters: The Video Game
Dan Aykroyd - Yogi Bear
Justin Timberlake - Yogi Bear
Chris Rock - Osmosis Jones, Madagascar 1 & 2
Will Smith - Shark Tale
Tobey Maguire - Spider-Man 2 video game
Cameron Diaz, Lucy Liu, and Drew Barrymore - Charlie's Angels video game

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Originally Posted by Bumblethumper View Post
A good voice actor can create a whole character with just their voice. Really bring it to life and give it a sense of identity. In my experience the people that make a living in this specialised niche tend to be better at it than big name stars whose appeal owes more to their physical on-screen presence. You see a really good voice actor in recording session, and it's almost like their channelling the voice. You see a big hollywood star, and they're making a lot of hand gestures and facial expressions, but the voice itself is nothing special.
Quoted for truth.

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Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
The industry disagrees with you. And it's because you're wrong.
No, the industry does not agree with you. Your statement is an uninformed and a naive one.

You see, the industry doesn't care what kind of performance a celebrity gives as a voice actor. They cast based on what's called a Q-Score or Q-Rating. There have been several animated feature films in the last few years (and some upcoming ones) where they first cast the celebrity voices and then made the film around them -- some of the films didn't even have a script, just a pitch.

This has given rise to the term "celebrity stunt casting", particularly when it comes to animation voiceovers, and not just in film but on TV as well. The industry has resorted to this in attempt to lure in viewers and bring masses to the box office.

And being that several animated feature films have been bombs at the box office in the last decade, it proves that celebrity voices don't automatically equal box office success.

As Bumblethumper said, there are occasions where celebrities have given fine voice-only performances. I'll freely admit that. The Toy Story Trilogy is a perfect example, but those films are also from Pixar who is the only studio who isn't currently preoccupied with casting only celebrity voices. "Up" had a complete unknown and a first time voice actor in one of the lead roles, and Ed Asner isn't exactly a "high profile" box office draw either.

"Ratatouille" also wasn't really cast with celebrity voices in mind. As Pixar CEO John Lasseter has stated in interviews, it's the actor that best fits the character and gives the best performance.

But you simply cannot make a legitimate case that someone like George Clooney is better actor than someone like Frank Welker, Corey Burton or Kevin Conroy just on the grounds that he's a screen actor. That doesn't even make sense to me. Even Clooney acknowledged in interviews from his role in the stop-motion animated "Fantastic Mr. Fox" that voice acting is very different from on-camera acting. Clooney's good at what he does just as pro voice actors are good at what they do. (And y'know, if it hadn't been for the fans, there's a very good chance we would have heard someone like Clooney or Jon Hamm voicing Optimus Prime in the Bay TF trilogy if Bay hadn't given in to popular demand. You can bet that Paramount wanted a celebrity in that role.)

And I'll grant that if the roles were reversed, pro voice actors might not fare so well as on-camera talent. From personal experience, it's difficult to change between on-camera and voice acting. I had a industrial shoot this past Monday where the first two takes I did the director asked me to speak up. I'd been doing a lot of work with live shows and VO for an animated pilot, and had to get myself out of that mindset and comfort zone of having a mic right in front of me.

And there are plenty of celebrities who would have given better voice performances if they had been coached by a pro or taken a workshop from someone like Pat Fraley or Bob Bergen. There are even techniques for using the mic in voice acting that can enhance your performance, but without them having the training or experience you can't argue that a non-voice actor celebrity-type is going to know that and take advantage of it. Screen actors often don't have the tools or the training to be good voice-only performers. Heck, some of them can't even get past not having another actor across from them to act/react to. Voice acting requires a great deal of imagination -- it's often just you in there with the mic -- you're basically acting to yourself, and your movement is restricted because that mic is so sensitive that it will pick up every little movement you make. Proper coaching and training really is an essential element for being successful as a voice actor.

Case in point: Dan Aykroyd in "Yogi Bear," who refused coaching on how to perform Daws Butler's Yogi character from pro voice actors who had studied with Daws. As other critics have pointed out, Aykroyd's Yogi sounds like Rodney Dangerfield trying to do a Yogi impression. And Justin Timberlake's Boo Boo sounds okay at first and isn't a half-bad impression. However, because he's not an experienced voice actor, the voice acting itself is lacking because he has difficulty sustaining the imitation and acting at the same time.

And oh god, how can I forget Megan Fox in the Transformers video game. I still can't believe she won an award for it from SpikeTV. She and Shia both sucked as voice actors in that game.

[added later]

Here's a media article published Dec. 19th on this very subject -- scroll down after clicking the link:

http://www.journalgazette.net/articl...99973/1007/ENT

And this op-ed piece is from an entertainment reporter who criticizes animated performances by Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt and Justin Timberlake.

So, yeah, the industry doesn't agree with you that screen actors make better voice actors. There have been times when stand-ins for screen actors could give better performances.
optimusprime42
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Originally Posted by Chopperface View Post
I was on Corey Burton's forums, where he answers people's questions about his work, much like the Ask Orci thread before ROTF.

coreyburton.com ~ View topic - Transformers

Now the man says he's uninterested in reprising Shockwave and joining a big budget movie like Dark of the Moon. He's heard rumors of David Warner being considered for the role. He actually auditoned for Brawl and Jazz for the first film.



If this isn't news, tag and bag the thread, mods.

saw the same thing on bays site.. i hope corey woulda been shockwave and not david if he is hope he does a good job
Awesomus Prime
For some odd reason, I'm getting the impression that Voiceroy is really serious about voice-acting... >_>

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