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Possible Characters Not Returning In Transformers 4?

Posted on 09-05-2013 at 06:34 PM by StayingInTheBox under Transformers Movie
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Please be advised the following are potential spoilers.

A piece of info has been dropped stating some Transformer characters may not be making a return to the big screen for the fourth live action film. "Nelson" of the Shoot For The Edit - Michael Bay forums has been known to drop hints before and seems to have stated Sideswipe and Dino won't be returning for Age of Extinction.

This is consistent of course with their cars not being seen on the set as well as the promises of a new robot cast for Transformers 4 as we've previously been told.

Are you okay with this possibility? You can see the original thread with Nelson's reply here. Discuss after the jump.
Views: 11,622 / Credit: Nelson of the SFTE forums and TunaKaan and Moy of the 2005 Boards!
Buk Lau
I thought we already knew this?
Red Goblin
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Originally Posted by Buk Lau View Post
I thought we already knew this?
If there was any confirmation, why would people still speculate if they'll appear in robot mode?
NotRamjet97
Sounded more like "yeah, Dono did have a great design"

But if they aren't, that sucks, mainly for Sideswipe, he's an awesome character, 100x better than dumblebee.

Not surprised on Dino, what with Ferrari.
Buk Lau
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Originally Posted by TunaKaan View Post
If there was any confirmation, why would people still speculate if they'll appear in robot mode?
What happened to "New Autobot cast." ?
Red Goblin
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Originally Posted by Buk Lau View Post
What happened to "New Autobot cast." ?
Tell that to them.
mttyns
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Originally Posted by Buk Lau View Post
What happened to "New Autobot cast." ?
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Originally Posted by TunaKaan View Post
Tell that to them.
Some people haven't developed the fine art of inference

Sideswipe, I'm not so bothered about, cos we've got another corvette, but I did like Dino/Mirage, and loved his alt mode, probably more than the Pagani, it would team with the Lambo really nicely too.... but what with the whole naming and toy problems I can see why he wouldn;t be brought back, plus with a whole new human cast and new Optimus and Bee designs it makes sense having a all-new set of Autobots.
abc55abc55
I expected his, someone might as well ask if Ratchet is coming back. The answer will probably be "no".
Blitz.
No Dino but he was such a key character who did so many things needed to the plot....

But for reals I totally forgot the guy existed.
tonyformer
It's hard to tell if Nelson was saying correct that they won't be back or correct that Dino had one of the best designs. Besides, not talking trash but even if they were coming back, Nelson would not outright tell us anyway. So we can't say for sure what's what yet.
And yeah that means even if Bay says himself that they won't be back, we can't go by his word either lol. Lets not forget that Bay said Megs would not be back and both Bay and Nelson said the Mercedies was not a TF and we end up with Soundwave.
bumblebee41125
"sigh" as you can see by my entire profile im not happy by this
Doug
I don't care to much for Dino, but I would like for Sideswipe to return.
kaijuguy19
That's a real shame.
Autovolt 127
I won't mourn. Both of those two were just generic badasses with no actual sort of personality or characterization.

Dino was a given to do Francesco Quinn's passing in 2011, Sideswipe is surprising but i'm just feeling meh whatever.
mttyns
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Originally Posted by tonyformer View Post
It's hard to tell if Nelson was saying correct that they won't be back or correct that Dino had one of the best designs. Besides, not talking trash but even if they were coming back, Nelson would not outright tell us anyway. So we can't say for sure what's what yet.
And yeah that means even if Bay says himself that they won't be back, we can't go by his word either lol. Lets not forget that Bay said Megs would not be back and both Bay and Nelson said the Mercedies was not a TF and we end up with Soundwave.
True, though Megatron and Soundwave were deliberatley denied in attempt to make failed surprises lol I don't see the return of any of the Autobots (unless it's Jazz or Ironhide!) being anything along those lines
ElectricPrada09
If this is true that sucks. I love Sideswipe as do a lot of us on here.
Coffee
Dino and Sideswipe could have been one character imo, like basically every robot neither were characters, just effects. So when I say I'm gonna miss Sideswipe, I'm gonna miss his cool Wheel feet, which is no real loss for me.
Sideways77
Further proof Mirage didn't need to be in DOTM, despite how cool he looked.


Seriously, should've cut Que and Dino and added Jolt.
Silk Spectre
It figures. Not surprised at all if this is true.

There really is very little point in caring at all about characters in these movies, unless it's the main human character or Bumblebee or Prime.

That's another reason I have no anticipation for TF4, nor does it matter to me who they bring in, transformer wise. It's looks to be just more of the same: lack of care for characters.

Blah.
EpicTransformer
he could have meant correct to they do have a lot of potential...
Sideswipe is one of my favorite characters.
The more vague Nelson is the better... in my opinion
Kylehudson14
BOO!
Stygian360
I'm okay with this for three reasons-

1) Neither of these characters had much to offer to the story beyond a cool CGI model and a cutesy accent (in the case of Dino). Not to mention the fact that Dino's voice actor passed last year I believe, so that presents even further reason to let his character fade into obscurity.

2) Hasbro probably still doesn't have the license for the Ferrari on which Dino is based, so even if they did get another voice actor to replace the original, no toy equals FAIL.

3) You don't want to crowd the cast with too many robots with zero personality, which frankly is most of them unfortunately.
EpicTransformer
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BOO!
Nelson is being vague. The answer 'correct' could possibly be towards the design comment. Also don't take it too seriously, remember a couple of months ago when he said 'trailer on Friday'?
fallen_revenge
Yeah, they where great characters especially Sideswipe, but I want something new.
King Kaiser
(Insert overused Darth Vader meme here)
Stygian360
I just pray that this time they take some of the story time to infuse real personalities into ALL of the bots beyond a cockney accent or a cool CGI model. Sideswipe is probably my favorite movie toy, but his character sucked pure and complete ass in the movies. He had few lines and didn't do anything truly in character. In other words he was meaningless and replaceable to the overall story. Which again, is the major reason I won't miss him in AOE.
StayingInTheBox
I would have liked to see Sideswipe return We'll see, things could change.
captain N
I Liked Sideswipe. But maybe this is a good thing more room for the Dinobots.
SPLIT LIP
That sucks. Sideswipe may not have done much, but he was still a character who was present and spoke. Hell, he's one of the few outside the initial lineup to have a closeup.
grimlock1972
Not surprised for Dio given the issues they had with Ferrari, Sideswipe is a bit more of a surprise.
Red Goblin
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Originally Posted by EpicTransformer View Post
Nelson is being vague. The answer 'correct' could possibly be towards the design comment. Also don't take it too seriously, remember a couple of months ago when he said 'trailer on Friday'?
That was overly sarcastic, just some people couldn't see it.
Chopperface
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Originally Posted by NotRamjet97 View Post
Sounded more like "yeah, Dono did have a great design"

But if they aren't, that sucks, mainly for Sideswipe, he's an awesome character, 100x better than dumblebee.

Not surprised on Dino, what with Ferrari.
Not to mention Francesco Quinn passing away, DOTM being his final film.
tonyformer
I just hope they don't just drop them with no explanation as to where they went or what happened to them.
Ktulu
Doesn't matter to me, they were both characterized quite thinly in the films. This is generalized, but they weren't much more than "cool" bad-ass types mostly there to do stuff in the background while the humans and Optimus took care of the important stuff. I'd say it's a shame there won't be a chance to change that but I doubt if it'd be any different this time around. I'd also be bothered by them potentially disappearing for no reason but that sadly wouldn't be anything new.
Kylehudson14
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Originally Posted by EpicTransformer View Post
Nelson is being vague. The answer 'correct' could possibly be towards the design comment. Also don't take it too seriously, remember a couple of months ago when he said 'trailer on Friday'?
I think he did understand the question & answered it fairly clearly. Tho I do remember that trailer rumor
Scorpio
Movie-verse Sideswipe is too close in character to Drift.
Dino was never going to return.
Ratchet if he does return will probably only be in robot mode.

So pretty much every other Autobot other than Optimus and Bumblebee will be new (Well other than Wreckers, but they don't have a character between the three of them)
Jericho613
Man that sucks I know its a long shot to ever see Sunstreaker and Sideswipe in a live action movie, but to take Sideswipe out of it sucks.
Shatterpoint
thewiredknight
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No Dino but he was such a key character who did so many things needed to the plot....

But for reals I totally forgot the guy existed.

Sad that he had a less relevant role than Jolt. Though I'll be honest I'm always glad to be rid of characters with dumb names due to marketing reasons (he woudl have been better as Mirage). And I'm actually glad Wheeljack got renamed to Que - this way I don't have to look at that atrocious head design and acknowledge that that is a wheeljack in any way shape or form.
Rodimus Mike
Seriously I would have been happier if Bumblebee wasn't returning I mean is he gonna end up Mark Wahlberg's 20some foot shadow now instead of Shia's. I just say "Kill the damn Bee already".Also I don't really care if they get rid of all the characters and just have all of the Dinobots wreaking havok on the humans by eating them,stomping them into the ground,and just running amuck,that would just suit me just fine.
Chopperface
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Originally Posted by tonyformer View Post
I just hope they don't just drop them with no explanation as to where they went or what happened to them.
I have a huge suspicion they will.

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP View Post
That sucks. Sideswipe may not have done much, but he was still a character who was present and spoke. Hell, he's one of the few outside the initial lineup to have a closeup.
Agreed, though didn't pretty much every "named" robot have a closeup over the course of ROTF and DOTM? I really liked his design and his Corvette alt mode is to die for. And I liked the five man set-up of him and the four carry-overs from the first film.
Tycho
I am NOT OK with this, mostly because of "Dino" who was (I guess) the alleged homage to Mirage (for some inexplicable reason).

A Generation 1 fan, I am still OK with a lot of the "Bay-Verse" because my dream of seeing a live action TF movie series has actually been realized and is so successful it's on-going.

*That being said, we NEVER really need to see Rodimus Prime unless he's completely reimagined (alt-mode) and Optimus' "death" is very meaningful (OP is my all-time favorite character).

But I like the idea of a PACIFIST Autobot who serves in an espionage capacity with cloaking technology (essentially G1 Mirage). I'm a war hawk myself, but pacifist views are interesting and occasionally worth exploring. That's why Mirage, who would sometimes have to fight in G1, was an interesting character.

If Dino is to be Mirage, the character needs a greater role in the cast. Drift and (the other post-G1 Autobot they're mentioning as being in this one) mean nothing to me really. The writers could make the characters cool I'm sure, but besides Prime and Bumblebee, they've really written little to make many of the Autobots interesting. They just show glimmers of personality (where SideSwipe fits into this discussion per the original question posted).

SideSwipe was some kind of gladiator bot. If you include Sunstreaker, he's the "younger" brother that sort of wants to live up to his 'pure champion stuff' polished (literally) brother Sunstreaker. This was an interesting dynamic. As SideSwipe's already been written for the movies, he could be a self-impressed show-off as he's always comparing himself to Sunstreaker (not yet established in the movies) and internalizing this.

Now, say Sunstreaker came into the movies and was KILLED?! (yeah). Then SideSwipe (the brother I'd have live) would learn humility from the experience and maybe be later killed, but setting an example for Hot Rod (another of the same type of character) who is not listening to what Kup is trying to teach him (just like in the G1 cartoon movie).

I'm a writer and yeah, this melodrama stuff plays to making a plot "deeper." There's still plenty of robots transforming and shooting each other in car chases with explosions around this. But we don't necessarily need to see Mark Wahlberg's daughter and boyfriend going through puberty right after Sam Witwicky had a 3 movie expose on the subject matter.

I understand the human actors are there for the general audiences more to relate. But now that they're adding Grimlock (who I am uncomfortable with myself as being in the Bay-Verse - since a dinosaur is not a disguise alt-mode ....so I'm hoping he's a Beast-Machine or something that helps explain it), they are going to lose general audiences who might appreciate "The Butler" or a Jason Bourne movie more.

Therefore, include Grimlock? Then include more robot character development** and get back to "Dino" (if he is Mirage) and SideSwipe's character - especially using SideSwipe to embellish Hot Rod's introduction.

That'd be cool.

Any thoughts on my suggestions?
jazzgirl84
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Originally Posted by Jericho613 View Post
Man that sucks I know its a long shot to ever see Sunstreaker and Sideswipe in a live action movie, but to take Sideswipe out of it sucks.

I feel the same. I would have loved to see them together... it would've made me seriously happy! Now I'm just bummed.
Ephland
I can deal with this as long as they explain why in the film.
EnerJohn
Who??? Dino???....there was a red Ferrari...OH! That red car in DOTM. Yeah who cares, he didn't do much at all.

And Sideswipe, he looked good in ROTF. But lame in DOTM. Did any of you notice that in DOTM during the freeway chase, Sideswipe is a hardtop!
harrismonkey
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Originally Posted by Buk Lau View Post
What happened to "New Autobot cast." ?
What happened to starting over?

We've seen a lot of signs that more central characters than you'd expect will be returning, and probably not looking that much more different than they did transitioning from rotf to dotm.

Time will tell, but I'm getting the sense things aren't being changed up as much as we were led to believe. (Which is fine)
GAUGE
So let's see...

Mirage and Sideswipe (and more than likely...wheelie) have now joined Skids, Mudflap, Chromia and Jolt in the ranks of many other Transformers (such as Barricade) who have disappeared from the movies without a trace with no explanation.

Grats Bay for continuing to show us all just how much you give a shit about your own TF Universe.
Starscreamer95
Dino... It sounds ridiculous, but I think half of his reason to not reappear is due to Dinobots. Dino. Dinobots.
Ace Convoy


I liked Dino more than Sideswipe :/ ..... pity

again it was purely for design reasons... not like he had purpose... or added to the plot...
Crainy
Maybe Nelson is just trolling. But yes, Im too kinda sad to see Sideswipe go, he was pretty cool. I probably wont miss Dino, seeing how he was only in DOTM. However, I definately enjoyed him.

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