Masterpiece Sideswipe Jet Judo Test Shot Image

Jet Judo.

^First thought for me too.

Loving all these proto pics. Really getting me excited for MP Sideswipe.

Still gutted they chose not to put in any interior details or opening doors - that would have helped sell it as something more than a well painted deluxe figure.

Meh, that would've gotten in the way of a great looking bot mode though.

Wow look at him go lol...he's a must have!

To everybody saying this is little more than a deluxe, have you looked at a deluxe nowadays? notice all the hollow parts to save plastic everywhere? notice them here? nuff' said..
I know I will be very happy with this and to me the scale is perfect. shame about the plastic tyres though, I'll give the naysayers that....

Sideswipe is sure articulated,nice pose

Where is his parachute??!!??

What Masterpiece Sideswipe does, he does well, it seems! I'm quite pleased with the articulation on show here and should the hands even be on par with those of the previous two MP releases, that will cap things off nicely.

I always see pictures of TF toys doing high kicks to show off stability, yet I can barely recall ever seeing TFs do high kicks in-fiction.

It's 'Nuff not nuff'. It's supposed to be 'nough, as in, enough. And it's not enough said. If anyone thinks this is a deluxe they have never seen a deluxe in their confused lives. Deluxes aren't the size of Alts, have die-cast or rubber tires or are fucking MPs because that's what this is.

I know it's an unpainted sample, but it looks... cheap. Just like your average deluxe car.

boy i WISH deluxes were like that

*looks at airachnid* T__T

While I agree that 'Swipe is more than a deluxe, I don't see either rubber tires OR die cast parts and I was hoping for both. (Rubber wheels, die cast feet.)

As a side not Takara a fucked if they do and fucked if they don't.

Come on ppl, this is a prototype, compare that first pic to this:



A bit of detailing goes a long way. Can't make out the tires very well tho....they still look plastic lol

i'd say this is a lot more solid looking than an alt in every way! maybe similar in size but that' s where the similarities end! have a good look at alternators and then the pics of this again..

I agree, Alts are kibbly messes IMHO. This looks great in that regard.

But even with the added detailing, it still looks kinda bland IMHO, which incidentally mimic the G1 'toon very well, again IMHO.

Still, color me very surprised if this gets released with any diecast or rubber wheels because I'm not seeing it on any of the promo shots, detailed or not.

Didn't Ratchet hit a seeker with a flying kick once?



Does that count?

Looks great for me, it would be perfect if it had rubber tires (that's really something missing for a MP, in my opinion) and a seat for the Spike figure that comes with Convoy 2.0.
I like the new direction of the MP line, though, they seems in scale with each other (not counting seekers) and it's like the "perfect G1 collection".

Who says they aren't in scale with the seekers? If this is supposed to be in scale with Prime and the seekers are roughly at the height of Prime then this is in scale with the seekers

By rights Kickback should have made a career out of moves like that too.
For another example that definately happened in the non-Japanese G1 Animated continuity though, in the '86 movie, Ravage tried to pounce on Blaster and/or his minions and the Autobot comms officer kicked him in the guts mid flight for his troubles. High kicks also strike me as something Mirage may have done or would do.

That is to say nothing of Dinobot tail-whippings, either.

You're absolutely right. Hah, I never noticed that before. Forst thing I seem to do when I get my toys is to see whether they can kneel, an actual position many hold.

Devastator did high-kick Grimlock in the 1986 movie a little bit like that MP Sideswipe photo, although Dev's was a little bit of a high back-kick. Didn't know the big idiot had it in him

Maybe we need a thread listing all the kicks in TF media with screengrabs and scans for proof. Every other kind of pointless thread has already been made so one more won't hurt.

More importantly, there are no high kicks in judo!!! I call foul!! This is more like Jet Taekwondo!

(maybe the high-kick is so he can reach the jet? )

This looks like a great figure. However, this does not look like a "masterpiece" figure. Now, before somebody starts on about the changing definition of "masterpiece", let's remember the real primary purpose of the MP designation... to imply a superlative piece of work that justifies an according price tag.

I'm going to say it again. He really does look like an especially awesome Deluxe. I'm not using this term carelessly, nor in strictly denigrative terms. That's kind of what he looks like. The only thing he really has that makes him "MP" is a strong G1 accuracy.

Who's confused here, Split? Have you really looked at these pictures at all? This is not the size of an Alternator, nor does it seem to have rubber tires, nor do we see ANY indication of diecast (usually this is visible in unpainted prototypes). Nor does it have the level of high detail associated with MP figures. Nor does it have cabin detail like Alternators or Alternity.

I'd gladly be proven wrong on all those fronts, but from all the evidence provided, I think it's pretty clear. Maybe he's actually really super-solid and full of awesome ratchet joints. I'd like that. But I don't see any rubber tires or metal here. And this dude is NOT that big.

In fact, in terms of detail and engineering and materials, this seems like a very poor cousin to Alternity, which themselves were beefy deluxes, but with all the traits we might normally associate with MP figures (metal content, extensive engineering, internal detail, opening doors, rubber tires). By comparison, he really does look like a Deluxe.

And I'm cool with that. I'm not an MP purist. I don't need diecast, rubber tires or internal bucket-seats. This still looks like the best damn Sideswipe I'd ever expect to own. I just don't want to pay a Masterpiece price for him.

I'm not sure if Hasbro's going to sell this guy, or what their price tag is going to be, but $30-$40 (canadian, even) is about the maximum I'd pay for a really, really nice Deluxe-ish Sideswipe from a mass-market toy producer. Looking at what we're getting here, and even taking into account it's "specialty" aspect, there's no way this should cost more than a contemporary Voyager.

I want it, though. Real bad.

zmog

Have to laugh at people complaining of his price point where this guy will eventually be mass US release and you want to pay 30-40 dollars, get a grip, this is an MP figure with extras that scales with the newer MP line. Instead of complaining about price don't comment. I for one am looking forward to this figure, looks great and I love the character.

Oh man... I wish I could afford him....

These two comments in a row crack me up.

And what the heck is wrong with saying "he doesn't look up to snuff for what he costs" anyway, if that's how someone feels?

I am completely agree with you. I started my adult transformers with Masterpiece and Alternators and this 2 toys lines was very close. When i look the SideSwipe picture, i don´t see a MP prototype. I hope we can see a picture comparation between LAMBOR BINALTECH y MP LAMBOR.

Binaltech Lambor don't have good legs articulations, but the car mode is close to real 1/24 models. I hope the final MP LAMBOR use DieCast, but if we look back to the last MP, Grimlock, Rodimus, Optimus 2 y StarScream don t have die cast part except for squeleton structure.

Being a fan of Alternity and Alternators, it's only natural for me to love this. Scale fits with MP-10 and even if it had die cast metal it would only be in the feet, so no big deal. This doesn't remind me of a deluxe class toy, more like a large Ultra without the crappy sound and lights feature. MP lines represent G1 characters and they all don't have interior seats. It would be nice if the tires are in fact made of rubber, but not a deal breaker. Let's try to be positive guys/gals. All this Internet rage gets old.

If getting rid of internal car seats and steering wheels gives me a toon-accurate, (mostly) kibble-free bot mode, then count me in!

I think people are perhaps missing the point that this is complex figure. yes, it looks deceptively simple, but just wait till we start getting this guy in-hand - I reckon the transformation sequence on this guy will be less straightforward than one might expect from the pictures.

I really don't care about the lack of die-cast, although a lack of rubber tyres would be a shame.

Okay it's small, and it looks a bit plain, but I'm not sure how people can equate this to a Deluxe.

These days, a Deluxe is a cheapo figure that requires barely any thought to transform, and most look as if the designers just can't be arsed anymore.

You can see the care, attention and love that's gone into the design of this thing, the sheer beauty and grace of both modes.

That's what separates this from a Deluxe.

Doesn't look much more complex than Classics Deluxe Sideswipe. I bet tons of ROTF deluxes were more complex than that thing.

So what you're saying is that it's OK for today's Masterpiece figures to be equivalent to yesterday's deluxe figures because today's deluxe figures when downhill... That doesn't make sense. If today's deluxes were still at RotF level, then would we have permission to be upset?

Anyway, look at Takara's deluxe RotF Sidearm Sideswipe. Licensed alt mode, about the same size as MP Swipe, mountains of detail in both modes, and engineering put together by a wizard. It cost $40 for me to import it new. It wasn't that long ago. How did we get where we are now?

I think I'll wait for Red Alert.

This is somewhat true as Hasbro have moved the goalposts with regards to what a Deluxe is now. That said, when people say 'Deluxe' in here I assume they mean older Deluxes before all the cost-cutting measures started, in which case I'd say the comparison is fairer, if not entirely so.

I think MP Sideswipe looks okay. I think though, like with MP Grimlock, because there wasn't much needed to make the old G1 toy design look more like the cartoon design, perhaps I do feel a bit short-changed looking at it. It's sort of just the old G1 toy but with more articulation. And in that regard it's not so impressive.

really comparing this shite looking thing



to this thing of beauty!



really?

The engineering, not the look.

Are you really comparing a photo of a slide projected onto a wall showing the strangely painted strangely posed Hasbro production toy with a professionally photographed professionally hand-painted MP Sideswipe prototype?

really?

Uh, I think what we've pointed out is that this figure DOES NOT have any special traits that classify it as a "masterpiece". It's a great looking figure, but does not seem to justify a price tag beyond that of a Voyager. I think it's completely valid to comment on the relative merits of a design vis a vis the likely price point. The fact that it "scales with new MP figures" has absolutely nothing to do with the complexity of the design or the price. So, uh... if you can't bear to hear people expressing any kind of critical opinion, maybe you shouldn't post in this thread, eh?

I don't know if people have been keeping up with the size comparison pictures, but MP Lambor is literally only a HEAD taller than Classics Sideswipe. So if you're expecting a "large Ultra", I really think you should start adjusting your expectations. This guy is not very big.

I would estimate him to be comparable to a current Voyager (which is not saying much) in terms of overall size and mass. We'll have to wait and see what the final result is like, but as of now, evidence suggests a 6-inch figure with no diecast, no rubber and no special detailing. And I'm fine with that, as long as Hasbro only asks for $30-$40 (which is what Voyagers and Ultras go for in Canada).

It's not "rage". It's just being realistic. I'm very positive about this figure. I just don't want him to be absurdly overpriced (from Takara, that's a given... for Hasbro, I hope not).

As for internal detailing, the MP line has always had a very high degree of detail overall, either in the form of gimmicks or vehicle features. I know we need not expect something like MP-01 ever again (with it's hydraulic suspension vents, light-up matrix, moving faceplate, flip out com-links, rubber tires and kilogram of diecast) but MP Starscream had cockpit detail, a pilot, an opening nose-cone, an air-brake, double-face, opening chest launchers, landing gear, etc... Grimlock had electronic lights, changeable eye-colours, flip out Bot symbols, springloaded jaws, tail/head wagging action, etc...

And the MP line's "cousins" (Binaltech/Alternators and Alternity) also were known for a high degree of vehicle fidelity and detail, and some metal content.

I just don't see any of that in MP Lambor, so as a result, I don't see any reason for an inflated price once it hits US retail (god willing). Maybe there's a whole lot of hidden awesome in this figure that hasn't been revealed yet, but there is really no reason to expect more than what we've seen so far.

Me too! I don't really care that much for that stuff. I can do without gimmicks! If leaving it out also makes for a simpler, more affordable design, more in-line with current Voyager price points that accurately represent the actual design complexity of this toy... then count me in too!

But if we're going to pay top dollar, we should be getting more for our money.

You're asking people to base their opinions on things that are not indicated by any of the photographic sources, and ignore the evidence we are otherwise presented with? For what? Just so we can be extra-positive happy-go-lucky for a few more months? Don't be silly.

Uh, I think you just hit on it there. It's small and looks a bit plain. To be completely fair, it's probably more accurate to compare it to a PRID Voyager... but we've had some pretty sophisticated Deluxes in the last several years, so it's not exactly a huge insult to compare it to a Deluxe. It's not like calling it a Legends figure.

Agreed. Not that I think that's necessarily a good thing. A nice solid simple transformation that doesn't sacrifice robot or vehicle credibility and articulation is, in my opinion, a beautiful thing. Many ROTF Deluxes were a pain to transform and were too "innovative" for their own good.

But the point stands... this doesn't look any more sophisticated than some of those Deluxes, and therefore I hope it's not too expensive.

Well, it's good to bear in mind that "older Deluxes" as you call them, pretty much pertains to everything older than what... a year or so ago? It's only with Prime that Hasbro REALLY started getting extra stingy with toy size, so it's not exactly unfair for people to compare to the Deluxes that make up 90% of their collections.

Agreed. And truth be known, I don't really need anything more than an updated version of the old G1 toy... I'd just rather not pay an arm and a leg for it.

zmog

That's what I was saying, because it reads like you think I was saying the opposite. When people say 'Deluxe' they likely do mean of the kind they used to be getting and that's fair and understandable. I doubt many people are thinking of current Deluxes when they use that as a comparison to MP Sides, although I think that's what starfish was using to try and discredit the 'Deluxe' comparison as much as possible to upgrade the quality of Sideswipe by comparison, which is fair in a way since that's unfortunately what Deluxes are now. I think his comment was more a dig at the quality of Deluxes these days and that to equate this Sideswipe to them doesn't work as well.

I don't know. I've had a long day. My tired brain could probably mistake jelly for an elephant right now.

still looks shite compared

Agreed that this guy looks to be about the size of a MODERN, aka PRiD-sized, Voyager. but with a buttload of cool accessories and some other goodies that make him with more.

But yeah, honestly, the $30 to $35 ranges seems like the sweet spot for this guy.

I'm actually more impressed when a perfect looking alt mode transforms to a perfect looking bot mode with simplicity and a minimal number of steps rather than the opposite.

I definitely understand where all of the frustration and complaints are coming from though. I can guarantee you that MP Sideswipe will not have as much detail or as nice a finish as Binaltech Sideswipe. Regardless of how you feel about Binaltech Sideswipe's design there is no denying that it's a high-end collectable. It was also cheaper than this upcoming MP, but that's just how the market rolls these days.

That said, nothing can get between my wallet and MP12. I have far too much dumb love for the character and his G1 design to let the grim realities hold me back.

I'm sure he'll end up having at least rubber wheels. We've only seen a prototype so far, not the finished product. Maybe I'm telling myself that cause I already prepaid for the item before actually seeing the final toy.

Rubber tires this thin wouldn't last long I think. They're pretty low profile...

Looks good to me, anything sub-100 with the MP name is music to my ears.

Dying to see some size comparison shots with someone I actually own, but this thing is clearly fabulous!

I have Alternators Sideswipe, and the bulk of the detailing went into the company logos. As a robot, his head looked nice and the fingers were articulated, but that's really the best I can say about it. The Dodge Viper was also a much simpler design than a Lamborghini, and the fact that MP-12 has far less kibble than the hunchback of Lambor Dame indicates that the "high-end" aspects of the Binaltech figure did not come from the robot engineering.

Some people prefer vehicle aesthetics to robot aesthetics, but I am not one of those people. And the MP vehicle mode looks spectacular.

It'll be in the Hasbro version !!

I wonder if his front wheels are hidden in his shoulders. Like how he transformed the first time in G1 Episode 1.