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Masterpiece MP-20 Clarification

Posted on 06-16-2013 at 07:28 AM by Sol Fury under Transformers Masterpiece
MP-20
We have some additional information about the next installment in the Transformers Masterpiece series for you now. 2005 Boards member MACRAPTRON was also present at the Tokyo Toy Show panel yesterday, and can report on what Shogo Hasui said during the presentation:

Hasui: "About the new Masterpiece, I believe many of you want to hear about MP20. We can't show it yet, but MP20 will finally be that character, that car model which the license was very difficult to obtain".

MC: "Why? (can't show now?)"

Hasui: "You'll have to wait/please wait some more"


This does not quite match what we heard yesterday, but this does fit with what we heard previously about the Takara-Tomy team relentlessly pursuing licenses for the car models of the other Generation 1 characters. From Hasui's wording, it sounds like MP-20 might be a character with a licensed car mode which has been very hard to obtain for the line - which narrows the field of candidates quite considerably.

We will share more news and information as it reaches us.
Views: 7,895 / Credit: MACRAPTRON of the 2005 Boards!
Shatterpoint
Welp, pretty sure it'll be Bumblebee.
shamanking282
Probably Bee or Jazz would be my guess. Maybe Wheeljack?
OptionZero
Hoping for Jazz, Mirage, or Wheeljack

Expecting Bumblebee
MACRAPTRON
Hasui is quite dramatic talking about the license thing, I'd say it's Bumblebee or Jazz. Really hope it's Jazz... I mean, Meister.
Yeled
It would be nice if we could get MASABON to clarify if there was anything else said that wasn't in the video.
Shpankee
If thats all he had to say about the next Masterpiece toy, he would have done better not to say anything at all.
Yeled
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If thats all he had to say about the next Masterpiece toy, he would have done better not to say anything at all.
Oh, I don't know. Its nice to know its a car, and that it was hard to get the license. Really that gives us a ton of information. We were all busy trying to decide between Megatron v2, Galvatron, and Ultra Magnus. We were way off.
Lazerwave
Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack, Please Be Wheeljack,
chrisr291
Jazz!!!!
03Mach1
My money's on Meister. If so, we can finally put that stupid 'VW/Porsche doesn't want to license war toys' crap and flush it down the toilet with the 'Takara lost the Lamborghini license' BS.
Liege Prime
I'm cool if it's any of the main Autobots, but I really wanted a new Decepticon leader in the new scale.
MechaV
Probably gonna be Bumblebee as an actual Volkswagen Beetle.
Slimaximus
Yeah Jazz or Bumblebee and I'm leaning towards Jazz
Lazerwave
Let's think, do all cars have licences? to those who don't then the ones that do must be the possible MP20.
Yeled
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Let's think, do all cars have licences? to those who don't then the ones that do must be the possible MP20.
All the Ark crew and S2 repaints do, yes. They were based on real cars.
graymer
Bee.

That would be sex.
JazzMeister19
Please be Jazz


...probably Bumblebee
Shockwave9227
Bumblebee. Takara always had trouble acquiring the Volkswagen license.
MPrime10
Bumblebee was the first thing that came to mind, but Jazz is way more likely.

He says it'll "finally be that character", which I'm translating to "a character in the Big 10 of G1 that everyone was kept out solely due to license issues."

I really don't see it being Bumblebee because, well, there isn't much of a demand for a Masterpiece version of a character like that as much as there is for Jazz.
Yeled
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Originally Posted by MPrime10 View Post
Bumblebee was the first thing that came to mind, but Jazz is way more likely.

He says it'll "finally be that character", which I'm translating to "a character in the Big 10 of G1 that everyone was kept out solely due to license issues."

I really don't see it being Bumblebee because, well, there isn't much of a demand for a Masterpiece version of a character like that as much as there is for Jazz.
Maybe. Bee was such a big part of the G1 cartoon, though. I don't prefer him over Jazz, but he was easily more prominent. A MP shelf won't be complete without Bumblebee.
Zaibach
My money is on Jazz as well. Although I wouldn't be upset if it was Bumblebee. I still like the G1 version of him. The newer incarnations not as much.
Cal
I thought MP-20 was G2 Sideswipe.
Lazerwave
We did hear a rumor about a Masterpiece Mirage, maybe that's it.
Yeled
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I thought MP-20 was G2 Sideswipe.
G2 Sideswipe is MP-12g.
kibble
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Originally Posted by MPrime10 View Post
Bumblebee was the first thing that came to mind, but Jazz is way more likely.

He says it'll "finally be that character", which I'm translating to "a character in the Big 10 of G1 that everyone was kept out solely due to license issues."

I really don't see it being Bumblebee because, well, there isn't much of a demand for a Masterpiece version of a character like that as much as there is for Jazz.
Disagree. I would definitely prefer Jazz, but I think in general Bumblebee is more popular. Especially after the Bay movies...
shogun221
The VW, and its now-subsidiary Porsche, licenses have always been challenging for Takara to obtain; the company is sensitive to its relationship with Nazi Germany in WWII and doesn't want its vehicles to be associated with "weapons of war." If Takara has been able to crack that nut, that would open up a couple of possibilities:
  • Jazz, who was a Martini Racing Porsche 935 Turbo
  • Bumblebee, a VW Beetle
  • Cliffjumper, a Porsche 924 Turbo (albeit an SD-proportioned, penny racer)

Another possibility would be Sunstreaker. Yes, Lamborghini gave Takara the licensing rights for the Countach, but rumor has it they were pretty strict about how it was to be used. Sunstreaker transformed into a highly modified Countach that, to the best of my knowledge, existed only in the mind of the toy designer. I could see Lamborghini throwing a fit about that.
Sportimus
Please let it be Jazz! We've gotten more than enough Bumblebees since 2007. Sure, I want a G1 MP Bumblebee. Very much so, but not right now. I'd rather we get Jazz. I'd settle for Mirage or Wheeljack, but my first pick would be Jazz. See what I'm hinting at.

I hope MP-21 will be at long-last be SUNSTREAKER! Waiting patiently is proving to be more difficult as time goes on.
WhiteMocha
Hoping for Bee myself. While I understand where it comes from, I don't personally buy into anti-Bee backlash; he's always been one of the most likable, memorable characters in the franchise to me, and he needs to be a part of this re-booted, re-invigorated MP line. Yeah, the same is true of some other characters as well, but I for one would rather see Bee before Jazz.
adambman
My mind ran to the first few names that keep popping up here, and I would really like to get any of those. Since in principle I'd like the whole line, that probably goes without saying!

Macraptron's prefaced this thread with a similar conclusion I came to on Masabon's; that we don't know exactly what was said to him off camera regarding the 'concept car'.

Still, from the suggestions so far I'm inclined to say that if Jazz/Meister is possible, Cliffjumper could be too. Going by what we knew before this was translated, even the Stunticons could have been in with a chance. The key words 'that character' would seem to rule out any subgroup. In this frame of mind I'd also be more critical about who MP-20 could be.

There's a pool of characters - in name at least - that seem to get shortlisted for several continuities. The circumstantial evidence I sometimes think of is how the Henkei comic's character check list started out and grew. According to the back of Henkei Bumblebee's comic, the first six characters released were: Convoy, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, Grimlock and Mirage. Incidentally Astrotrain, Rodimus, Skyfire and Ramjet came next but the only cars so far that would need to be licensed are Bumblebee and Mirage.

Now I like Mirage's alt mode. I like his character too - or any early Autobot with that underdog quality or resourcefulness where they might even go into danger or save the day on their own (including Hound, Tralibreaker, Jazz, Smokescreen, Windcharger and Brawn even). That said, characters like Optimus Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee and Starscream are names that stick closest with the Transformers brand for those with the barest knowledge or memories of the franchise.

Bumblebee - for better or worse - exemplifies the friendliness of the Autobots. Just as Jazz does for their coolness or how Wheeljack defines their resourceful creativity. However moot comparisons to Henkei/United may be, the latter two characters were only realized there a couple of years ago.

Still, the Henkei line then covered characters that necessitate the Lamborghini and Nissan licensing for Masterpiece versions. Sunstreaker's an obvious exception so far. Maybe - hopefully - he'll be returned to later if Takara have reached a licensing agreement with, say, VW and in their excitement, backtracked to realize one of the utmost recognizable characters, namely Bumblebee.
Shpankee
All car designs are intellectual property owned by the car manufacturers, and in the last 30 years some of those car companies have gone out of business or sold those rights to other car manufacturers. I guess the easiest thing would be to take them in order discounting ones already done.

Bumblebee, the Volkswagon Beetle. The most widely licensed car ever so most likely an easy license to get. Jazz and Cliffjumper both Porsches company owned by Volkswagon probably again an easy get. Sunstreaker is a heavily modified Lamoughini Countache, but still a Countache and they already have that licensed. Hound is a Jeep owned by Chrysler and still an easy license to get. In fact any car by a major manufacturer should probably be discounted so that would eliminate Hoist, Trailbreaker, Gears, Windcharger, Sweve, Tailgate, and Tracks. Since none of the futuristic cars and vehicles that Takara/Hasbro designed would need to be licensed we can discount them as well, which means no Blurr, Kup, Arcee, or Wheelie (thank god no wheelie).

That leaves us with a few nice possibilities, namely Wheeljack and Mirage. I'm not too sure about Ironhide and Ratchet however, because I've never really known what their vehicle mode is. To me it looks like a Volkswagon camper van but not quite. Going on that basis I would have to disregard those to as well. Wheeljack is a Lancia Stratos a car that was built in the early 70's and a manufacturer that has gone through many hands including Fiat, Saab, and now is under the Chrysler banner, but the Stratos name is now being built under the company Pinnafarina and the car is based off of a Ferrari F430. With all these hoops I can understand how obtaining the license may be difficult.

Mirage was based one the Ligier JS11 with a Ford Cosworth engine. The car itself was designed by Gérard Ducarouge and owned by the Ligier racing group that stopped racing in 1996. All of this again makes a license hard to acquire.

So all of this was a long winded and time wasting fact search to say that Wheeljack or Mirage are my two choices.
Coltello
Wheeljack or Jazz please.
Incepticon
Tough one to call. Could just as easily be Jazz or Wheeljack as it presumably is Bumblebee/Cliffjumper.

Being that Porche & VW are one in the same, I'd like to think that a BB/CJ license would also defacto mean a Jazz license as well. Or vice versa.
Lazerwave
Maybe we'll hear what is is soonish.

I mean when we've been told about a new Leader Class figure, the next day they announced it was Starscream. Then we heard there was a new Beast Wars figure coming, the next day we it turned out to be a repaint, Beast Wars Megatron repaint of FOC Grimlock.
Yeled
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I'm not too sure about Ironhide and Ratchet however, because I've never really known what their vehicle mode is. To me it looks like a Volkswagon camper van but not quite. Going on that basis I would have to disregard those to as well.
Nissan Vanette

Yeled
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Tough one to call. Could just as easily be Jazz or Wheeljack as it presumably is Bumblebee/Cliffjumper.

Being that Porche & VW are one in the same, I'd like to think that a BB/CJ license would also defacto mean a Jazz license as well. Or vice versa.
They aren't one and the same, though. One is a subsidiary of the other (VW owns Porche), and a relationship with one may make a relationship with the other easier. But they are still companies that act independent of one another. They have separate marketing departments, for example.

Its also worth noting that VW owns Lamborghini.
Mewtwo
If MP-20 is Wheeljack or Jazz... I'm going to have a Mindgasm...
Shpankee
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Ah, ok, well Takara has already shown that they can get a Nissan/Datsun license.
TrueNomadSkies
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Probably gonna be Bumblebee as an actual Volkswagen Beetle.
I'd buy this in a heartbeat...
theestampede
Wheeljack or Jazz would be so great. I'd def buy bee as a beetle though, hell Ill buy one of any autobot car mold that they make
robvega214
most likely it will be wheeljack or mirage, im goin by the scale chart pattern...so Mirage is my bet....
but i would awesomely welcome a MP Jazz
Timesynch
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My money's on Meister. If so, we can finally put that stupid 'VW/Porsche doesn't want to license war toys' crap and flush it down the toilet with the 'Takara lost the Lamborghini license' BS.
How is it crap when even Mr. Hasui himself may have hinted at how difficult it was to acquire a possible VW/Porsche license? If that's the case it doesn't change the fact that it was no walk in the park to get permission to create faithful representations of the alt modes. There would probably be a lot of strings attached to how the licenses are used (I wouldn't be surprised if the figures didn't come with weapons, for instance, necessitating third parties to pick up the slack in creating guns for the toys as a possibility).

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Originally Posted by Yeled View Post
They aren't one and the same, though. One is a subsidiary of the other (VW owns Porche), and a relationship with one may make a relationship with the other easier. But they are still companies that act independent of one another. They have separate marketing departments, for example.

Its also worth noting that VW owns Lamborghini.
True but it's been pointed out in the speculation thread that Lambo never suffered the same stigma that VW did due to WWII since Lambo came about after the war.

That said, I'd love Wheeljack, Jazz, or Mirage. But given MP-20 as a nice even number and the 30th anniversary of the franchise, I surmise it's a character with some clout and popularity (Bee maybe; he has become the kid-friendly face of the franchise; G1 Bee I actually don't mind much though unlike his other recent iterations).
xMostWanted559x
I hope it's jazz...if its bumblebee, he better be no more than 40 bucks
TCracker
i hope it is jazz. i did remembered they were having problems getting porcshe to sign off jazz during the early binaltech days
xMostWanted559x
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i hope it is jazz. i did remembered they were having problems getting porcshe to sign off jazz during the early binaltech days
Any news on your end?
SCPrime
Whichever it is (beetle BB or Porsche Jazz) I am so looking forward to it. If its BB, wonder how they will deal with scale.
xMostWanted559x
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Whichever it is (beetle BB or Porsche Jazz) I am so looking forward to it. If its BB, wonder how they will deal with scale.
Deluxe sized
SCPrime
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Originally Posted by Shpankee View Post
All car designs are intellectual property owned by the car manufacturers, and in the last 30 years some of those car companies have gone out of business or sold those rights to other car manufacturers. I guess the easiest thing would be to take them in order discounting ones already done.

Bumblebee, the Volkswagon Beetle. The most widely licensed car ever so most likely an easy license to get. Jazz and Cliffjumper both Porsches company owned by Volkswagon probably again an easy get. Sunstreaker is a heavily modified Lamoughini Countache, but still a Countache and they already have that licensed. Hound is a Jeep owned by Chrysler and still an easy license to get. In fact any car by a major manufacturer should probably be discounted so that would eliminate Hoist, Trailbreaker, Gears, Windcharger, Sweve, Tailgate, and Tracks. Since none of the futuristic cars and vehicles that Takara/Hasbro designed would need to be licensed we can discount them as well, which means no Blurr, Kup, Arcee, or Wheelie (thank god no wheelie).

That leaves us with a few nice possibilities, namely Wheeljack and Mirage. I'm not too sure about Ironhide and Ratchet however, because I've never really known what their vehicle mode is. To me it looks like a Volkswagon camper van but not quite. Going on that basis I would have to disregard those to as well. Wheeljack is a Lancia Stratos a car that was built in the early 70's and a manufacturer that has gone through many hands including Fiat, Saab, and now is under the Chrysler banner, but the Stratos name is now being built under the company Pinnafarina and the car is based off of a Ferrari F430. With all these hoops I can understand how obtaining the license may be difficult.

Mirage was based one the Ligier JS11 with a Ford Cosworth engine. The car itself was designed by Gérard Ducarouge and owned by the Ligier racing group that stopped racing in 1996. All of this again makes a license hard to acquire.

So all of this was a long winded and time wasting fact search to say that Wheeljack or Mirage are my two choices.
Maybe you weren't collecting during Alternators and Binaltechs but Takara had a prototype of Porsche Meister and drawings of VW Beetle Bumblebee. Both Porsche and VW told Takara "NO" so those never got made. Given that history, I'd say those 2 would qualify as "hard to get license".
SCPrime
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Deluxe sized
I guess deluxe sized MP is not too crazy given we have legends sized MPs (cassettes). It would be the same size as Alternity BB then.
General Tekno
So if they did Bumblebee.... I wonder how they'd do Cliffjumper, considering he's supposed to be a Porsche.

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