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WTF @ TFW Podcast Episode 227 Now Online

Posted on 11-27-2012 at 02:00 PM by Sol Fury under Site Updates
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Vangelus says "Emiliano Santalucia" a lot, GogDog is high on Thundertron, and Seth's got a pile of Caesar on this week's episode of Won Ton Fruit At Trans Formers World Two Thousand and Five.

You can download and comment on it here: WTF @ TFW - Episode 227

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GogDog
Wow, this was fast. Good job, Vangelus!
Chosen
Vangelus always gets those odd-team podcasts out so fast. I don't know how he does it.
excelhedge
He Doesn't sleep.....
Noizemaze
If only we knew how the editing was done so quickly to allow for such a speedy upload.
Anti Spark
Excellent! True very fast!
Chosen
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If only we knew how the editing was done so quickly to allow for such a speedy upload.
It's like he has help... or something. Hmm.
Heat Guy
Dang, now I want Thundertron.
SoundMaster
I think IGear Manatee is supposed to be Reveal The Shield Deep Dive.
Noizemaze
Intermission was the best.
Armoredfoe
Listening now
Silent_Magnus
We actually have gotten another piece of Aligned continuity artwork, besides the 13 stuff you guys see at Botcon, thanks to that "Transformers Vault" book that came out awhile ago.
GogDog
I meant to mention the obvious OG13 but I forgot, then I assumed that went without saying.

I have The Vault but haven't really read it.
Tsali
I hate 'I listen to everything' so much. Anytime someone says that to me I ask them for their opinion on Brazilian crooning. That usually gets my point across.

I really appreciate the dissenting opinion on the Prime episodes. I too am slowly falling out of love with Prime, but there is still a lot a like about it. I'm all for hearing about aspects of the franchise you guys dislike, because you guys are always reasonable and level-headed, and Transformers fans are not usually known for being civil about things they hate (or love). I think a discussion between people who like and dislike things are fine for podcasts as long as someone doesn't go full on heel announcer.

I've never commented on one of your podcasts before, but I've been listening for years. Keep up the great work!
Rodentus prime
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I hate 'I listen to everything' so much. Anytime someone says that to me I ask them for their opinion on Brazilian crooning. That usually gets my point across.
I prefer Inuit throat singing.
Rexidus
I'm currently listening to it right now and you guys brought up Fall of Cybertron's end of support. I'm very glad you guys are level headed enough to not be upset about it. I've had to start avoiding the video game forum because it just pushes my buttons with all the rage going on.

But if you want to know some of things about the game, I can shed some light. If you don't want to know or don't care about the behind the scenes stuff at game developers you can go ahead and just stop reading this probably sizable post. I won't take offense to it.

It was mentioned something to the effect that Hasbro was paying High Moon for the game (or something along those lines). That actually isn't the case. It's Activision who owns the license for Transformers video games. They looked at the developers they own and game High Moon the task of making the game. Activision is High Moon's boss; what they say goes. Granted this was fine with High Moon, in fact it is completely plausible they asked to do it, but ultimately it was Activision's decision to have High Moon do it.

It was also Activision who decided the budget. One of the key things in game development is cost vs reward. Everything costs something to make, time, money, man power, what ever. That is weighed against how it will impact the game. If it isn't a big enough boon to the game, it gets cut. Bungie and Halo are an exception to the norm. Halo has tens of thousands of players playing daily years after release. They can release a bunch of maps that have to be downloaded because even if it does split the player base, that split player base is still large enough that a players experience isn't negatively impacted. In Halo 3, they had separate playlists for DLC maps. Having prohibitive content in games, like maps, does split the player base. But Halo and Call of Duty have so many players that that isn't an issue. Fall of Cybertron can't do that. As you guys said, if you don't have the DLC map, you are unable to play a game that uses it. So in order to keep their smaller player count united, they decided not to release DLC maps. Now a bunch of people are pissed that there is DLC locked on the disk; specifically characters. The reason characters are on disk is one of practicality. When your system is told it has to display OPTIMUSTRON1337 using a specific list of pieces, your system needs to have those pieces available to draw it. If it doesn't then OPTIMUSTRON1337 would fail to be displayed. Most games have a fail safe for such a situation that would simply display him with default pieces (what ever High Moon decides is default). But if OPTIMUSTRON1337 paid for his Dinobot pack but he's being seen as Warpath; that kind of defeats the purpose of having character customization. So you need to have a way for people without the DLC to be able to at least display it. You either include it on the disk or you require a download. Microsoft charges I think $10,000 for required downloads; ie stuff they have to have a hand in. High Moon can make balance changes for free because you log onto their servers and they can change the values of weapons (like damage) there. In order to download something for the game, you HAVE to go through Microsoft, Sony, or Steam respectively. Steam might or might not have a similar cost and I would bet they do. I'm almost positive Sony does as well. So for games of this tier you have to have it on the disk. Also, remember that this is Activision who decides this. They write the checks so it likely they told High Moon to have 3 DLC packs for the game and to include the content on the disk. FOC likely cost $20-30 million to make. It would be lucky if it made that back. DLC has been a fantastic way for games to make more money and recoup those losses. Some times it is done to simply milk the customer, yes. But some times it is just done to try and make the game profitable.

Now as for the excuse that they cannot add any more colors because of hardware limitations... I'm not knowledgeable enough to say it's BS or it's truth. I'll raise my eyebrow at it but I trust High Moon to be honest.

And finally I wanted to bring up the size of the teams they have at High Moon. I would guess High Moon has around 60 people working on a game. In fact, it could even be 30. Bungie used 100-200 for Halo reach. But the thing to remember is, not all of those people need to be on the game all the time. When the artists get done with Fall of Cybertron they can be moved over to Deadpool. They would have nothing to do if they stayed on FoC. Were I to guess, I'd say High Moon was making WFC with 60-ish people and as it was wrapping up 20 of those went to work on the DOTM game. Those guys were likely joined by another 20 maybe new hires. The 40 left from WFC started on FOC and possibly brought on another 20. As people finished up DOTM they started working on Deadpool. Now that FOC is done, they probably let a number of people go and the core team has moved to Deadpool. I also wouldn't be surprised if 10-ish people were starting to work in the 3rd Cybertron game. Really in game development resources, and by that I mean people mostly, gets shifted around a lot.

I hope I shed some light onto some of the why's of Fall of Cybertron's design decisions. I won't claim my statements are 100% infallible truth. I have some knowledge of how things work behind the scenes at game developers but there is so much variation that nothing definitive can ever be guessed.
updatedude
Just listened up to the finishing up of the first listener question, and I'd like to throw in that the fact that you guys are positive is totally a major reason why I've stuck with this show for so long and I'm still excited when new episodes come up.

A little cynicism in shows is fine, and in fact, adds some "spice" to it. But there's an invisible line that when crossed, turns cynicism into bitchin' & moanin'.

WTF@TFW has a good balance. You guys are generally positive, but when something is blatantly bad... like if the face of a toy is undeniably derpy, then yeah, you guys call it out for it or playfully mock it. Heck, sometimes the mocking makes the toy suddenly desirable.

Conversely, and I intend no "trolling" or undue offense... the "second season" of Prime Time... well... I've downloaded every episode, but toward the end, I've only been skimming (usually to reach Aaron's bits), and outside the first few minutes, I have still not listened to the final podcast. Again, I mean no offense, but it just ain't my cup of tea anymore.

I find that to me, the show not only focuses on the bad parts of an episode or the good parts in a negative light, but that you guys tend not to talk about any cool parts of a given episode as much anymore. And I admit that I don't necessarily agree with all your criticisms of the show either. Primarily, I don't think it's a sign of "bad writing" when the writers don't go in a direction that we the audience expected them to go.

Apologies for any offense. I hope it'll be taken as constructive feedback.

With season 3 of Prime being quite a ways off, I hope that when the show returns and you guys hopefully continuing Prime Time, the long break would allow you guys to be more enthusiastic for the source material (although if season 3 sucks, then it sucks y'know?).

Enthusiasm breeds enthusiasm, when you guys are happy with the subject matter, it makes listening to you guys a happy experience. Take your BayMovieverse "bashing" for instance. Sure you bashed it, but in a way where you're "happy". As a result, it's fun to listen even when you're being "negative" about it.

Anyways, that's it. Good show so far.
guard convoy
Here is some pictures to show a microman female with an Alternity Convoy

This proves someone actually bought the Dai Atlas who I still love even if I wished he had a new head


Hosta
forget the podcast! i'd rather have that pie that's in the picture at the start of the thread
MovieGodOptimus
Damn... Now I want Thundertron... but I'll get the Leo Prime version... Pirate Prime with Moon turning into a sword... is... SO AWESOME!
mooncake623
Dubstep is sick!
Silent_Magnus
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I meant to mention the obvious OG13 but I forgot, then I assumed that went without saying.

I have The Vault but haven't really read it.
Yeah, I agree those guys aren't really same as Sideswipe and Optimus. Since only like 4 of them are new versions of old characters.
SideswipePrime
On Gojira Prime's question...what you guys said really reminds me why I like you guys and Preorder 66. You guys keep very objective, instead of being like "oh! Everything sucks! Why did *insert company name here* do this!"
Armoredfoe
Yeah I have to say I think you guys do well and I listen because I enjoy the conversations and the constructive comments about various figures or shows. I also think you give a really unbiased view on figures and what not. I myself have picked up several figures just from listening to you guys chat and talk up a figure be it an actual transformer or an off topic figure.

While I know Im new to this forum, ive lurked for a while but just wanted to post my 2 cents. Again a great show guys.
Gammatron 64
I kind of think of Alternity Dai Atlas to be more of an Optimal Optimus because of his color scheme.

I too thought the soundtrack to Tron would have worked great for Transformers when it came out.

However, the kind of music I associate with Transformers the most? A kind of retro, cheesy, almost big band music with lots of loud trumpets and stuff most often associated with super robot shows. I'm not quite sure how to really describe the genre, to be honest, but the soundtrack to G1 was very much like this - it felt kind of retro, even for the '80's, but had some synth and guitars worked in.

I think I'll provide a few examples of what I'm talking about:
"A Step Forward into Terror" - Neon Genesis Evangelion
Neon Genesis Evangelion OST 1 - A Step Forward Into Terror - YouTube

"Sure Promise (Union Square)" - Big O
The Big O (THE

"Final Fusion" - Gaogaigar
GaoGaiGar OST- FINAL FUSION (Extended) - YouTube

"Angel Attack II" - Evangelion
EVA Soundtrack 2 - Angel Attack II - YouTube

And of course, this kind of music is no stranger to Transformers outside of G1:
Transformers Cybertron/Galaxy Force OST: Combination Power. - YouTube
Scaleface
You liked my Mech-At-Arms figure concept!

Seth Buzzard
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You liked my Mech-At-Arms figure concept!

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attach...1320784211.jpg
We did!
Scaleface
Of course you could probably make you own with some super glue and the proper figures.
Gammatron 64
I'm not a big MOTU fan, but I still really dig how Skeletron looks. Not gonna get him, nor do I have the Botcon figure... nor have I ever shown interest in owning one, but that head is a definite improvement.

You know, it's kinda weird that I think Gigatron's headsculpt looks totally wrong on that body, but GDO Megatron doesn't bother me that much. I have no idea why.
SearchmanDS
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Originally Posted by guard convoy View Post
Here is some pictures to show a microman female with an Alternity Convoy

This proves someone actually bought the Dai Atlas who I still love even if I wished he had a new head

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...80899500_n.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...46482713_n.jpg
...Is that Mikoto?
guard convoy
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...Is that Mikoto?
it is
Wingnut
Thanks for answering my question!
Emiliano
Hello from Italy guys!
I've been listening to the Podcast tonight, and wanted to say thanks everybody for the very kind words about me and my work
I hope to be able to share more concepts in the near future, I worked on a lot of stuff, but most of the time things needs to remain classified.
But I do have another authorized character from the bible that I'm going to post soon.
Also, some of them are going to show up in the Pop-Up book by Little Brown Books, I was asked to use them as a the base for many of those illustrations.

BTW, about Sideswipe, most of the art (including the pieces I did) has been created before TF Prime, so the visuals weren't really meant to match with that style. We were also a bunch of artists doing explorations, so all of us added their own things and created a great mix of different styles and ideas for the various characters.
As an example, Prime was sketched by Eric Siebanaler and then painted over by me, and that set the standard for most of the pieces I did after that.

Oh, and yes, I worked on some IDW stuff. I did Spotlight Blaster, half of a couple Hail Megatron issues and the short Sunstreaker story
GogDog
Wow, hello sir! I am honored you listened to the show. I really appreciate you posting the Thundertron art. I already loved the toy, but your art gave me a deep appreciation for all the molded details I otherwise would have missed. Keep up the amazing work and I hope you get to continue to work on the brand.

Thanks for the clarification on Sideswipe.
Vangelus
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Originally Posted by Emiliano View Post
Hello from Italy guys!
I've been listening to the Podcast tonight, and wanted to say thanks everybody for the very kind words about me and my work
I hope to be able to share more concepts in the near future, I worked on a lot of stuff, but most of the time things needs to remain classified.
But I do have another authorized character from the bible that I'm going to post soon.
Also, some of them are going to show up in the Pop-Up book by Little Brown Books, I was asked to use them as a the base for many of those illustrations.

BTW, about Sideswipe, most of the art (including the pieces I did) has been created before TF Prime, so the visuals weren't really meant to match with that style. We were also a bunch of artists doing explorations, so all of us added their own things and created a great mix of different styles and ideas for the various characters.
As an example, Prime was sketched by Eric Siebanaler and then painted over by me, and that set the standard for most of the pieces I did after that.

Oh, and yes, I worked on some IDW stuff. I did Spotlight Blaster, half of a couple Hail Megatron issues and the short Sunstreaker story
Thank you very much for checking out the podcast and coming by! I am looking forward to the next blog post. Echoing Gog, I hope we get to see more of your work in future Transformers media.
Lumpy
"hate engine" was the name of a local band around here years ago. And all Gogs talk about MP TC has me thinking about grabbing one soon. Which means then I'll need Starscream as I already have Skywarp.

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