Transformers Collectors' Club Piranacon Auction Found

"Chinese midnight runs" classic!!!!!!

Jus Fyi he is also listed on yahoojapan auctions for 7000 yen

So what do you think of the new sig look?

It's pretty much a resized version of the image that you saw already, but I thought it would spread the message.

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I would be glad to get Seacons when they are released via the club and I may do comparison pics with my Original Universe Seacons (no promises).

-TF2

You know, I can't actually disagree with your reasoning (it is, in fact, correct to point out that someone saying something is not actually proof), but I have to ask... just what would it take to convince you?

I mean, really, all we have access to here on the web is people saying stuff.

I think in his case, actual reports of someone that was supposed to get their boxed or loose set and being unable to receive it or it being incomplete would be a start. It would be more difficult to tell if there was any kind of shortage with the souvenir exclusives.

Oh, I get what you're saying, and you're quite right. Given the way the whole internet works, private contracts being privileged info, and the complexities of international law and dealing with a foreign country, I'm not sure that any of us would see the kind of evidence to thoroughly convince me. Of course I expect Brian/FP to come out and bluntly say they are stolen, you'll get much more sympathy that way then if he came out and explained that its an ambiguous situation, and while we got ours, there are still the intellectual rights, etc., etc. I tend to believe that these are additional ones made, and the only physical theft may or may not be from the factory itself. Doesn't make it right though. Probably a situation like this would be much more likely to convince me:

Now given how quickly the sets were sold out, they were probably gone before FP received their order. Yet I haven't heard any reports of people being shorted their confirmed sets, but there were numerous pieces from those sets listed before BotCon. While far from conclusive, all of this tends to make me believe they are not stolen property that FP was shorted. In other words, I think the reality is FP ordered 1000 con sets and received 1000 con sets, but 1100 were actually made at the factory. Yeah, the numbers aren't exact due to the loose sets, but you get what I'm saying.

So...basically what you're saying is, you're going to believe whatever you want, unless someone shows a supar sekrit video of a guy in a black ski mask running away from the factory with a box of toys.

And while I'm for taking things you hear with a grain of salt, there's also a point where you have to look at what makes the most sense. Noone but FP should have those toys. Someone else has those toys and is selling them. AKA - they're stolen.

Regarding the numbers thing - FP has said they order extras, because there's always issues with some having missing parts, or being broken, etc. But this year, for the boxset, they were more strict on what they would and would not let you exchange, due to having less of a buffer. And while we have no proof, other than Brian saying so, that it's because they had some stolen has made supplies lighter, it definitely makes the most sense.

Also remember, these aren't coming from your local store next door. They're coming from the factory, on a truck, to the shipping place, overseas, then to FP. There's several areas these could be stolen in. The chances of these being stolen directly from FP, and coming out of FP's wallet, makes much more sense than any other theory.

No, that's not what I said. I don't even really doubt that they are stolen, just from whom. Another reason I don't purchase these items.

Again, this is assuming they are from FP's order, and that they were shorted. Because they do not own the factory, they do not have complete control over it. What makes the most sense is that these are extra run off in the factory, and are stolen from the factory. If they came from FP's order, the factory would crack down hard when they had to give money back to FP for the shortage. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the factory's SOP was to overrun 10% to make up for potential rejects. They're not just gonna give any extra's to FP.


Given that nearly all of these sellers are in China/Hong Kong, I would say these are coming from the factory. Not only that, this spans numerous toy lines. GI Joe and Star Wars stuff is available non-stop from these guys in China. I would say the chances of these coming from the factory are at least 10 times as great as them being stolen from FP.



Again, all of our theories depend greatly on a lot of unknown factors, inclucing: the specifics of the contract between FP and the factory, intellectual property rights, international law, and Chinese law. The fact is, none of us really know all of the important facts to make an educated decisive statement. Depending on all of the above, these might be technically stolen from FP because they (or Hasbro) own the intellectual rights, it would be considered intellectual property. I just don't think they are physically stolen from FP, resulting in them having fewer pieces. I don't buy these because 1) I'm not so impatient that I'll pay inflated prices and shipping to get things a little early, an 2) while I don't truly know, my gut feeling is that these are stolen from someone, even if not FP.

I would disagree with you here. I think these are additional ones made. They would still constitute a theft in one sense or another, from someone, but I don't think these were directly jacked out of their order.