New G1 CGI Video On Hasbro's Universe Section

That 1 min and 19 seconds was far more satisfying than the hours I spent watching that movie. Seeing Sam play "Saved by the Bell" type antics with his parents and a cheesy webcam session with the army dude's newborn was excruciatingly painful seeing as how this was a Transformers movie.

That 1:19 of footage showed a good action scene that I could actually follow. Rather than a whirring of blades and parts and shiny chrome everywhere. There were so many little parts on the TFs in the movies that they looked like an amorphous pile of moving steel.

What they should have done is gotten rid of the salaries of the fat nerd, the aussie tech-geek, and half of the other human actors and used it on the TFs. But even going with a more simplified look for the TFs would have helped immensely. Sigh, we had one chance for a live action TF movie and we let Bay screw it away. Sigh.

I .... I ... dear god, that was omg.

Holy cow! that was an awesome clip! ^^

AKA what we SHOULD have gotten, Bravo Hasbro

I find it unnerving that people use the reason that it was made by a fan as nothing compared to a big budget movie. I'm looking at you Joe Moore.

How can you expect it to? It was probably made by one fan with limited resources. How can you expect it to match the quality of the movie? Lets see how the movie designs would have done with only one fan with limited resources working on it.

If this was an experiment, your controls are horrible. Both arguments need to be given the exact same resources for all outside variables to be eliminated except for the one variable being tested. A lot of you don't seem to understand that concept...

What SHOULD catch people's attention is the fact that people still are in admiration of this video and some even claim it as better than the movie EVEN WITH THE FACT THAT IT HAD LITTLE RESOURCES!

Well if you give the studio the 300 million dollars they would have lost in from the general population who enjoyed the scenes with Sam and his parents and the movie as a whole, I am sure they would considered your idea to have an all 100% geewun style-robot CGI-fest.

Why can't you enjoy it for what it is, a pretty decent clip that is roughly Direct to DVD quality or Videogame Bumper quality. In fact I believe this is a videogame bumper for those cheap TF universe game.

Hate the movie, just don't pretend this is even on the same level of any of the CGI done in the movie.

I just watched the clip again. The sheer amount of power and strength shown (and heard) by these two twin titans clashing was amazing.

All I can say is a sincere thank you to the folks at Hasbro who put this together. You DO care about the fans. "They were always real to me."

Oh, and for all of you that came to this thread just to debase it into "Animated Sucks, Movie Sucks, Movie is Awesome ..."

Well, throw a bone, start a dog fight.

The only reason Joe Moore or anyone else is making any such comments is because all the previous posts spouting off comparisons beforehand. I wouldn't have said anything comparing it to the movie if there wasn't already a bunch of posters already comparing it. Why did they? Go ask them.

That's the 1st time I've ever liked G1 Megatron. The original toy sucked, he was annoying as hell in the G1 cartoon, he looked retarded in the 2007 movie video game,he was a nerf gun in Classics, the Masterpiece was okay but this is the best G1 Megatron ever. The Alice Cooper eyes worked wonders. Whoever made this is awesome! After all these years they managed to get me to like G1 Megatron.

I WANT MORE!!!!

WTF was that???? Man that was mindblowing.

I would have seen the movie if it was like that. It would have been hokier and cartoon-y but I would have enjoyed it more.

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW

Thanx
Transbot90210

2 poor arguments:

First, the amount of people that liked the old scene they would have lost might have been less than the amount gained by the people who liked the new scenes. OR those people who liked that scene would still have come to see the movie since it was a TF movie. It might not have an effect. Your argument is pure conjecture.

Second, as in my above post, IF the CGI in the video had the resources of the movie, or the movie had the decreased resources of the video clip, then it would be a fair discussion. Also, as I stated in my above post - the fact remains that a CHEAP, resource-poor clip that probably did not have any good amount of time spent on it still is getting rave reviews that it looks better than the movie...

A fanboy isn't merely someone who likes something; a fanboy is one who defends something vehemantly.

So, if I understand the arguement correctly, the '07 movie did as well as it did for no other reason than the robot designs.

Not the humor.
Not the action.
Not the razor thin story.
Not Megan Fox's tummy.
Not the spectacle.
Not the ILM rendered VFX.

Only because of the robot designs.

That, to me, is folly, and reeks of fanboyness.

Now, to throw in my $.02... as this video stands, all by itself, no- it's not a suitable replacement for Bayformers.

HOWEVER...

maintain the recognizability, maintain the same overall shape, add some detail and articulation points, and ILM doing it, and we have a very strong contender.

As good as the movie and its VFX was, it was also self evident that any Transformers live action would do. Well, maybe not Animated. Simply because it's animated.

I have always shook my head in disbelief whenever someone held up an example NOT done by ILM in full resoltion and compared it to ILM's full rez renderings as being equal... and proof that the other concept "just won't work".

Actually it's been pointed out that this is actually from a video game. And it's videogame quality. It is what it is. To compare it to Oscar nominated special effects is just hilarious. People are all hopped up pulling their G1 rose tinted glasses on. And hey, go for it. That's what it's there for. For me, it reinforces my resolve that those designs don't translate all that well to detailed moving cgi. This clip is less impressive than the CGI intro to Transformers Tateki.

As for the rest of your post, well, I can't be bothered. You were in such a huff to call me out that you forgot to, you know, make sense.

To those people - they PREFERRED the fan-made, resource poor material to the expensive, movie produced material. Its like someone buying a custom from a person who makes customs in his garage over the factory-intensive, expensive, team engineered toys churned out by Hasbro.

Will the fan-made stuff ever have the high quality shine of mass-produced material? No. They can't due to their limitations. I see that the CGI isn't as well rendered or error-free as the movie stuff. However, had entire teams of design-personnel, programmers, engineers, graphic artists, etc been able to fine tune the basic idea of the fan-made material, it would IMO be infinitely superior to the movie material.

I would play a TF game if it were like that. That one clip blows the real TF game out of the water IMO.

I would just like to state now, that I really only liked TF movie for the designs and CGI action scenes. Not the story, humour or whatever (they were a bonus). But that's just MY OPINION.

Your post reeks of ignorance and superiority. You miss the point entirely. EVEN THOUGH ITS a low-budget production - it is still preferred by many fans to the movie. You again don't look at the argument that had it been done by ILM with the amount of time, money, and personnel - that it might be better. You are comparing the two as they are. That isn't a fair comparison. Give the "video game" design more resources or take away resources form the movie and you have a fair comparison.

Excellent movie/clip/commercial... whatever it is.

I'd love a direct to DVD release in this style.

I agree, for what it was, I actually enjoyed it. My inner child did it's Happy Dance!

The real game wasn't very good.

Sweet! The whole movie should be remade like this!

The video...awesome.
The toys...AMAZING. Onslaught and Prowl especially look like the best toys we've gotten in a long time. Classics/Universe has been and looks to be the best Transformers line ever. Can't wait to see how these look with paint, though I always love the matte gray of the test shots.

Noisemaze,

DO NOT quote anything that I say out of context like that ever again. Remove it from your post(s) NOW.

I agree with the crowd who thinks these should have been what the movie characters were like (of course more polished and all that other hollywood related stuff b/c I know this was a cheaply done animation and is no where near true CGI top quality).

Your argument is pure conjecture. My argument is based on information from hollywood professionals who have years of experience translating franchises to big-screen movies, have access to millions of dollars of marketing and focus testing and 500 million dollars of boxoffice sales and academy award nominations. I believe doing the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what they did would not have gotten them even close to the same level of quality or success.

Your argument is they could have spent the same money, used all G1 designs and had EQUAL OR BETTER success which is just plain false. It is fantasy.

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!! Context smontext! That one was just too good!!!

(are you threatening me master jedi?)


You just described majority of fanboys & comic book nerds.

Yeah, that's pretty much what everybody does on these message boards. I don't think people can read anymore. I know most can't spell to save their lives.

HOLY SHIT I JUST PEED MYSELF!!!

That was the most awesome piece of TF hand to hand combat since the movie! Made even more cooler thanks to the G1 designs!

Those toys all look awesome too, specially prowl!

I see your point, it's just not very good. I could not care less about hypotheticals and what ifs.

And you're smart ass and snide remarks are going to stop now chief. You'll watch your tone or be gone from this thread and given a warning.

The point is simply that if they are going to open the can of worms and say this is what the movie should have been or some such other thing, then it is inevitable that someone is going to present a counter argument. You can call out that argument all you want, and you're right, but for the same reasons you could call out the opposite argument. If you want to talk about experiments and such and equal resources, there is no way to tell if this, with the budget and resources of the movie, would have made the same amount of money or appealed to as many people. This video is pandering to fans, and it does a good job, so it isn't surprising so many people on these boards like it so much.

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I almost pissed myself when I saw that, HOLY....

Incorrect. As has been pointed out in an earlier thread by SCIENCE, Hollywood does not always know what is best. It is Hollywood that killed off TF. BW brought it back due to it being free from Hollywood's grasp. This movie succeeded in SPITE of Michael Bay. Had the fight scene's been at least able to be followed, this movie would have done better. These Hollywood professionals are nothing more than you and me. Don't give them the Wizard of Oz mystery. They are fallible.

Hollywood also produced Armada and Cybertron. Those shows are not that great at all.

I am sorry to say you are wrong. At least I don't defend my argument as fact like you do. My argument is conjecture. The fact you won't admit yours is the same, weakens your argument.

Today is a good, nay, GREAT day. A new Universe website, 5 new Universe figures, and a "real life" G1 Movie promo teaser to launch the line. That is FAR more dedication and nod to the old fans from Hasbro than I ever expected. Hopefully this means that they're in it for the long haul and won't pack it up again in another year.

Awesome. All of it. Just awesome.

I personally wouldn't have changed a THING about the film, it got me back into collecting.

However I wouldn't say no to a CGI, OVA style, G1 story done in that style.

Sweet vid! Loved it!

They were always real to me, too.

That video was awsome! I hope they'll do something in the future like FF Advent Children, a full CGI G1 style movie, that would so kick ass. I'd love to see more of this.

Just because Hollywood can make mistakes doesn't mean that Transformers succeeded out of pure dumb luck or despite it's poor quality. If it had catwoman levels of approval then maybe your point would be valid.

Hollywood got it right this time and have lots of experience to back it up. They made a highly successful movie which will have the opportunity at highly successful sequels. And as much as you think your experience and opinion is as educated as people in the movie business on knowing what will succeed, well that is a fantasy too. We may like to think Hollywood people are stupid but it is a business and you don't get far making a poor product. They know what it takes to succeed.

Yep, definitly what the movie should have been... Nice tease hasblo, maybe someday you will get it right.

Definitely worth a save to the HD.

http://www.hasbro.com/common/videos/...lesRevised.flv
(right click save as)

This thread's kinda proving to be a warning:
Don't enjoy anything, and expect to be able to discuss it here.
You won't enjoy it anymore by the time you're done.

I'll just let the 2007 movie stand upon its own merits of 700 million dollars plus profit, and some Academy Award nominations. Couldn't ask for more from it as a first stage story. I do think their game in terms of story/plot should be picked up considerably for parts 2 and 3. And sack that cameraman with cocaine induced jitters please.


Now this clip on the other hand........EPIC. It has long been my dream to get a team of talented animators and writers together to produce a Redux of G1. Smooth out its plot holes, remove episodes of dubious origin (Carnage in C-Minor I am looking at you) and alt modes that are silly: Megatron, Soundwave and Blaster for example, then redo them in a style like this.

While Animated is very popular (and more profit from mainstream lines just gives Hasbro more cash to throw us collectors a nice bone or two after all) I would like a TF series pitched to the 12-15 year old market.

So here would be the big kicker (pardon the pun) for such a series: no toys, no products of ANY kind related to it, aside from DVDs. Make it as a TV series for the sake of telling a story.


Back to topic, I loved that video.

Love the video but it gave Megatron too much credit!. There was no Hot Rod to allow Megatron to fire the killer shot.

This sort of CGI would have worked in a new series, or a decent TF video game. This is probably what I would have loved to see in a series instead the stuff that was in Animated. But I don't think this could compare to the detailing of the movie. But nevertheless, that video was pretty awesome.

See this would be an appropriate target for this type of animation and these designs, not a replacement for the movies but as a supplement. Direct to DVD movies or even a TF series based at the TWEENs or adults.

But for this to happen, the franchise has to grow. And the Movie and Animated are doing that. It is growing the core so the fandom demographic can have more resources given to it.

Would I love to see a TV series in this style? sure, but not to sacrifice the appeal to Hasbro's core demographics to damage the future of the franchise. It feels like Hasbro has really hit the right part of the market for both the 6-11 kids and the movie-going public... Which means the possibility of multiple concurrent series or DVD media is a possibility if the franchise can expand to accommodate it.

I agree.

Actually, Armada and Cybertron were produced in Japan (Animae as opposed to Hollywood and it was BW that was Hollywood produced). What everyone is getting confused about as far as GI designs vs the Movie designs is the difference between modeling (the BASIC framework/ design of the character and NOT where the Budget goes to) and rendering (the finite details, reflection s, texture, and more detailed movements (where the big budget DOES go to) of Prime and Megs. You are correct in that the rendering in this video cannot be fairly compared with the rendering in the Movie. But the pro movie crowd is referring to the Modeling Framework of the characters; and yes, a fair comparison CAN be made. The simplified, blocky G1 Models DO NOT allow for dynamic movement and as I have stated before, given the articulation/ movement requirements for the movie the G1 designs simply would not have worked, kibble and liquid "cheating" DOES NOT work in a big budget film. Don't get me wrong, I simply LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this little video, but these G1 models simply look NOT like giant alien robots, but INSTEAD, look like oversized TOYS, and NO AMOUNT OF RENDERING, NO MATTER HOW DETAILED WILL EVER CHANGE THAT. While I have my grievances against the movie ( lack of screen time for the TFs among others), I cannot argue that the movie wasn't a success.

That clip was amazing and my heart was pounding in disbelief as I was watching it. Don't get me wrong, the movie asthetic was great and I still watch it at least once a week, but this proves that Hasbro still has a place in it's merchandise assortment for G1. Awesome, simply awesome.

I'm coming down the middle of this argument, which is unusual for me. On one hand I do think the assertion that original designs alone would have tanked the film is reaching Phazer-like exaggerations.(He said the same thing about new designs)

On the other hand, there can be no doubt that having designs which incorporated thousands of little parts and gears moving around made the film the most impressive visual work in a long time. The film was much better than it had any right to be probably for that very reason.

As for the clip, it was fun to watch but it didn't blow me away.

Dude, I agree. I still think the style used in Animated is an, acquired taste, but I watch the eps and think they're good. That's why despite what I think about each line, I hope they all make money so that Hasbro can make more stuff like that video as official stuff for a teenager/young adult market. Build a powerful base with easy access kids shows and good toys and then expand. According to everyone here, Beast Wars did that, and if it was such a raging success, then I can't see a good reason not to try again.

MY GOD!!!! That was the MOST KICKASS thing I have seen in the last few years!!!! Why couldn't they have made a cartoon like this instead of Animated? I like the stories of Animated but how AMAZING would it have been to have a show like this?!!?!? Awesome stuff.....*Johnator is in awe*

I TOTALLY AGREE!!! A G1 REDUX with this quality of CGI work (or even 2D animation) would be ABSOLUTE awsome sauce.

My son watched this and says he hopes its a new TV show because the new cartoon sucks lol . Funny coming from a 7 year old - Saturday morning he turned off animated and went back to his bedroom and put in the G1 movie.

I think animated will be a failure if my kids don't even like it, any my son likes power rangers.