 | | | Masterpiece Grimlock Size Comparison Images | | Posted on 11-27-2008 at 03:44 PM by Sol Fury | | All stars of ACToys.net has done some first-class sleuthing to give an indication of the rough size of Masterpiece Grimlock in robot mode compared to Masterpiece Optimus Prime and Classics (Henkei) Optimus Prime. It is a fascinating and well thought out process, and although it may not be 100% accurate, you can see from the images that Masterpiece Grimlock will be approximately a head shorter than the Masterpiece Optimus Prime.
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Hmmmm, a tad bigger than I was hoping, but he'll still fit in with my Classics/Universe bots pretty well. Ravenxl7:
Looks like he'll be the perfect size for my Classics Autobots. Though I'm still going to wait for Hasbro's version of him. It'll be cheaper and easier for me to get ahold of. Here's hoping that he still comes with the gun that's been described, and that at least the Hasbro version comes with the crown. I'd honestly rather have the crown than the brain transmitter thingy.
Brave Magnus:
You guys looking at the 3rd photo?: Why does Grimlock looks like the Tigerzord? XD
Thanks for the comparisons.
Dark_Convoy:
Pics are not showing up for me. Super_Megatron: Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Convoy Pics are not showing up for me.  | Me either, someone want to mirror so we can FP this?
Covenant:
I'm sorry but I'm very disappointed now. I don't care much how you justify the height by saying he's a bit larger than MP Starscream or that mode is a bit more compact. Fact is he's not as tall as MP Prime, he's been downgraded to that secondary & slightly smaller Masterpiece size present. It's Masterpiece, it's in the $150 range, and it's smaller than MP Prime. The comparison shots there with Classics Prime, Masterpiece Optimus and then G1 Grimlock have turned me off quite a bit to the item. The price made sense to me when I suspected something as big as if not larger than MP Optimus Prime/MP Megatron. Hell I was fully expecting a MP Grimlock with the size/proportions of Supreme Class Cybertron Starscream! But now, looking at that, he'll be MP Starscream sized, just a bit broader/bulkier. MAJOR disappointment.
neospark1: Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant I'm sorry but I'm very disappointed now. I don't care much how you justify the height by saying he's a bit larger than MP Starscream or that mode is a bit more compact. Fact is he's not as tall as MP Prime, he's been downgraded to that secondary & slightly smaller Masterpiece size present. It's Masterpiece, it's in the $150 range, and it's smaller than MP Prime. The comparison shots there with Classics Prime, Masterpiece Optimus and then G1 Grimlock have turned me off quite a bit to the item. The price made sense to me when I suspected something as big as if not larger than MP Optimus Prime/MP Megatron. Hell I was fully expecting a MP Grimlock with the size/proportions of Supreme Class Cybertron Starscream! But now, looking at that, he'll be MP Starscream sized, just a bit broader/bulkier. MAJOR disappointment. | I THINK the reason why he is in the 140+ plus price range is due to the amount of die-cast metal he will have. Remember both Megatron (and especially) Starscream had little to no die-cast metal.
bulletthebluesky:
Hmmm... seems like he'll be just a little bit bigger than Ultra Magnus with his City Commander armor. Considering I spent pretty much $100 on that, I think $150 is a fair price for MP Grimlock. I'll most likely be getting him.
r'Ne:
With this comparison, Grimlock is almost the same size as MP Prime. But I still hope to see some official robot mode comparison with MP Prime soon.
If the size is the same as MP Starscream in robot mode, or maybe a little bit higher, I'm happy. Can't wait..
Locustreign: Quote:
Originally Posted by Super_Megatron Me either, someone want to mirror so we can FP this? | Consider it done.
eriku:
Absolutely perfect. I'm actually pretty happy he's not to scale with MP Prime. I'd rather have him fit in with the entirety of my Classics/Universe collection rather than just, well, just one or two other figures.
The price makes perfect sense to me, too. It's a different economy, a different market and different world than when the first MP toy came out. Oil has been expensive, factories are closing everywhere, people are spending less money. It only seems natural to me that a toy like this would come at a higher price.
soundwaveCA:
Pretty standard then.
BraveMaximus: Quote:
Originally Posted by eriku Absolutely perfect. I'm actually pretty happy he's not to scale with MP Prime. I'd rather have him fit in with the entirety of my Classics/Universe collection rather than just, well, just one or two other figures.
The price makes perfect sense to me, too. It's a different economy, a different market and different world than when the first MP toy came out. Oil has been expensive, factories are closing everywhere, people are spending less money. It only seems natural to me that a toy like this would come at a higher price. | I understand the different economic situation that we are now... BUT there should be some sort of graduated system in the masterpiece line. I understand what you're saying. BUT, IMO, it should not be in scale with classics or universe. It's a different line within the transformers toy line. Im not sure who's responsible with the masterpiece line but that person(s) should have a better vision of what this line is going to be, besides striving for a more accurate representation of the character, scale what not.... , a better point of reference to the size of the line, these type of questions.
Look at Yamato's Macross, its expensive but they are in scale, and are STRIVING for accuracy and perfection. It has different scales, 1/48, 1/60, not saying they dont have flaws. I understand in Transformers there's massive size shifting and all.
Never the less Im happy they made Grimlock, I've pre-ordered a couple already, just saying theres always room for improvement.... in whatever aspects that may be.
Covenant: Quote:
Originally Posted by eriku I'd rather have him fit in with the entirety of my Classics/Universe collection rather than just, well, just one or two other figures. | Hey, if it works out for you personally, that's great. But as was said above it shouldn't be a Masterpiece item in line with Universe/Classics scale, its a separate line. Even if they went more plastic than diecast to do so (as in the case of MP Megatron, Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker), the MP Grimlock should have been as large if not larger than Masterpiece Prime. Quote:
Originally Posted by eriku The price makes perfect sense to me, too. It's a different economy, a different market and different world than when the first MP toy came out. It only seems natural to me that a toy like this would come at a higher price. | Which is why so many Walmarts have Deluxe sized TFs still under $8? When I bought the 20th Anniversary Masterpiece Optimus Prime brand new, new release it cost me around $80. You can't scale down from that size, likely follow the trend of less diecast in MPs (as they've gone along) which means more plastic, then tack on another $70 with nothing more than 'the economy' as an excuse.
SmokescreenGT:
It's about what I expected. Looks like his dino mode is a tad taller than his robot form.
Venksta:
Aren't these the same magazine scans from a couple days ago?
Feralstorm:
Looks about where I 'calculated' the height to be.
Baird:
Well he should be pretty bulky, but the height is a bit of a let-down.
Rhinox555:
(thinks for 5 seconds) Ah cool, i'll have a Classics Grimlock to replace the crappy deluxe.
Astro-Furby: Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenxl7 Though I'm still going to wait for Hasbro's version of him. It'll be cheaper and easier for me to get ahold of. Here's hoping that he still comes with the gun that's been described, and that at least the Hasbro version comes with the crown. I'd honestly rather have the crown than the brain transmitter thingy. | sorry for being slow, or maybe i just missed it, but has a Hasbro version been confirmed or are we all just assuming?
flamingunicron: Quote:
Originally Posted by Astro-Furby sorry for being slow, or maybe i just missed it, but has a Hasbro version been confirmed or are we all just assuming? | pretty sure just assuming, although they did say they had "plans" for one masterpiece figure in 2008 i believe
SPLIT LIP:
Bleh, too small for his price.
Acid Wing:
Guess I'll most likely wait for the eventual Hasbro version even though this a rough approximation of how big (or small  ) Grimmy is compared to MP Prime.
Tman978:
I have a feeling this is more off. I bet he's as tall as Movie leader Prime or in between that and Mp Seekers
0R10N P4X:
I think people saying Grimlock is too small for the price should have a look at what's being done in the Soul of Chogokin (Bandai) or Brave Gokin (CM's) lines. Size is not everything with masterpiece-like figures. For the price I think we are getting a lot of bang for the buck with the MP line.
StarFire_MK2: Quote:
Originally Posted by neospark1 I THINK the reason why he is in the 140+ plus price range is due to the amount of die-cast metal he will have. Remember both Megatron (and especially) Starscream had little to no die-cast metal. | That, and metal and plastic prices have skyrocketed in the last few years. I'm glad he's taller than the MP Seekers (their height was a major disappointment for me; in terms of scale they should have been larger than Prime), but I'm still gonna wait to see reviews of him before I seriously considered purchasing Grimmy.
Splendic:
FAIL.
MP Prime is standing behind CL Prime in the comparison pics, and thusly appears smaller than it actually is.
Want a good comparison? Shoot a straight on pic of the two Primes standing next to each other.
Not a huge height difference, but it will be noticeable. MP Grim is actually smaller than these pics would have you believe.
bumblebee1981:
mp gromlock probably will be as tall as mp optimus cause those pic dont tell u anything
PrimulArchangel: Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenxl7 Looks like he'll be the perfect size for my Classics Autobots. Though I'm still going to wait for Hasbro's version of him. It'll be cheaper and easier for me to get ahold of. Here's hoping that he still comes with the gun that's been described, and that at least the Hasbro version comes with the crown. I'd honestly rather have the crown than the brain transmitter thingy. | Hasbro will be releasing him for sure ??? Last i seen everyone was just hoping hasbro would release him.. But i admit i havent checked in for a while so if they did anounce they would release him then i mised it lol.. But if hasbro does release him then ill wait to buy him for probably half the price then the japanese version.. I been waiting for this guy ever since the very first news was released that he would be made over a year ago..
Soundwave2:
great, another thread bitching about the size of MP Grimlock except this time it's in the title  I will definitely be buying one when he comes out and since everybody's upset about something, I should be able to score a second one for a really good price once they clearance him out since nobody believes he's worth it eriku:
I can see where people are coming from who think he's too small. Those people have it in their hearts that the MP line should all be to scale, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's an opinion, and just as valid of an opinion as any other. My opinion is that I never really assumed the MP line would all be in scale with each other, I assumed they would just be 'ultimate' versions of certain characters. Add that to the fact that TF scales are and always have been all over the place anyway, and it's not something that bothers me. It sucks for the people who wanted something bigger. It also sucks for people who wanted a 'realistic' T-Rex instead of a cartoon accurate one. And if it turns out to be all plastic with no diecast, it'll suck for the group of fans who will be turned off due to that. I think the straight beans is that there is absolutely no way to please all of the fans with this release since so many people have so many different standards. If this toy doesn't meet your standards, I sincerely hope you'll get one someday that does. jourdo:
Worth every penny!
I have no problems with the size. The figure looks good... that is all I ask.
SMOG:
I think there's absolutely no question that this looks like a phenomenal toy. Now whether it fits into our preconceived notions of what a "Masterpiece" figure should be is another question.
From looking at these comparisons and comparing with my own collection, Grimlock would seem to be about the same size as Cybertron Optimus in Super Mode... I'd be happy to own a G1-styled Grimlock in that size.
But is he worth the money? Tough call... electronics, neat gimmicks... but what about the die-cast content? There's still so much we don't know about this figure.
Hell, Takara could release him painted bright orange with blue stripes for all we know! I mean, they gave us a green Starscream with almost no die-cast... how can we trust them??
Kind of a tough thing to preorder when all we've seen are vague proto pics...
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fragglerock:
Who in the hell said that all the MPCs had to be in scale anyway. You guys expect waaay to much from everything.
Overlord54:
Classics Grimlock for real this time! YEA!
Deadpool.:
Seems like MP Grimlock is in scale....
....with the Classics, that is. >.<
Ravens:
Looks great and I couldn't wait to see him painted
payton34: Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundwave2 great, another thread bitching about the size of MP Grimlock except this time it's in the title  I will definitely be buying one when he comes out and since everybody's upset about something, I should be able to score a second one for a really good price once they clearance him out since nobody believes he's worth it  | Exactly.
I swear, some of these guys just troll for an excuse to bitch about something. Takara could make an MP Devastator (with individual transforming Constructicons, the whole works) that is intricately detailed and is 18 inches tall...a true masterpiece in every word. Know what would happen?
"Devastator should be at least 3x the size of MP Prime to be in scale!!! Some "masterpiece", EPIC FAIL!!!" Ultrawave: Quote:
Originally Posted by payton34 Exactly.
I swear, some of these guys just troll for an excuse to bitch about something. Takara could make an MP Devastator (with individual transforming Constructicons, the whole works) that is intricately detailed and is 18 inches tall...a true masterpiece in every word. Know what would happen?
"Devastator should be at least 3x the size of MP Prime to be in scale!!! Some "masterpiece", EPIC FAIL!!!"  | Yeah, 'tis what I see as well. People just can't be happy these days, can they? Atleast be thankful they're MAKING a Grimlock...especially with this recession we're in. People expect the whole of Cybertron handed to them in every figure they see previews of/buy, don't they?
"NAO TEH MAYSTURPEES LYN SHOOD AWL BEE IN SCAYUL!11one"
Edit- Besides, take a closer look at Grimlock in those photos--his robot mode looks like it was photshopped in there...alot...o___O doesn't it look like that?
frilly toothpick:
i dont think people complain as much about the "scale". i think its more about the price in relation to his size.
Dinobot Nuva: Quote:
Originally Posted by frilly toothpick i dont think people complain as much about the "scale". i think its more about the price in relation to his size. | And the point the other's are arguing back is that he's full of die cast compared to the other MP figures.
DN
Type-R: Quote:
Originally Posted by frilly toothpick i dont think people complain as much about the "scale". i think its more about the price in relation to his size. | You've hit the nail on the head. I personally prefer the smaller size but the 30% MSRP price hike, especially with the current economy makes it one figure I'll be skipping.
Grimlocka go-go: Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundwave2 great, another thread bitching about the size of MP Grimlock except this time it's in the title  I will definitely be buying one when he comes out and since everybody's upset about something, I should be able to score a second one for a really good price once they clearance him out since nobody believes he's worth it  | Quote:
Originally Posted by payton34 Exactly.
I swear, some of these guys just troll for an excuse to bitch about something. Takara could make an MP Devastator (with individual transforming Constructicons, the whole works) that is intricately detailed and is 18 inches tall...a true masterpiece in every word. Know what would happen?
"Devastator should be at least 3x the size of MP Prime to be in scale!!! Some "masterpiece", EPIC FAIL!!!"  | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultrawave Yeah, 'tis what I see as well. People just can't be happy these days, can they? Atleast be thankful they're MAKING a Grimlock...especially with this recession we're in. People expect the whole of Cybertron handed to them in every figure they see previews of/buy, don't they?
"NAO TEH MAYSTURPEES LYN SHOOD AWL BEE IN SCAYUL!11one"
Edit- Besides, take a closer look at Grimlock in those photos--his robot mode looks like it was photshopped in there...alot...o___O doesn't it look like that? | Don't you guys think that complaining about complaining is a bit hypocritical?
Every one entitled to their opinion about the subject, but attacking someones opinion isn't very productive.
Say what you want about the topic good or bad, but a bunch of posts like these aren't really helping anything.
IMPO, I like the figure, did hope he'd be bigger than MP prime, not crazy about the price, and first thing I thought when i saw him was " well at least I'd have a cool Classics Grimmy  ".
Peanut04: Quote:
Originally Posted by fragglerock Who in the hell said that all the MPCs had to be in scale anyway. You guys expect waaay to much from everything. |
This. I'm looking at the pics and still very happy I preordered. He is worth every penny I'll be spending on him.
payton34: Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimlocka go-go Don't you guys think that complaining about complaining is a bit hypocritical?
Every one entitled to their opinion about the subject, but attacking someones opinion isn't very productive.
Say what you want about the topic good or bad, but a bunch of posts like these aren't really helping anything.
IMPO, I like the figure, did hope he'd be bigger than MP prime, not crazy about the price, and first thing I thought when i saw him was " well at least I'd have a cool Classics Grimmy  ". | I understand where you're coming from, but ever since the Transformers' inception in the early 80's there has never...never...been a single line (G1, Energon, Armada, Cybertron, etc) that was in scale. There is no precedent for an argument in favor of "scale" when the line has never been in scale to begin with, so I really don't see where these heated "it's not in scale, I feel so violated" types of arguments take place.
IMHO, we've all become spoiled. Wasn't MP-01 Prime originally supposed to be a one-time only thing? No "series" of Masterpiece figures were planned. Now we have six (Prime, Magnus, Megatron and the three seekers). The people clamored for Grimlock and now they're getting him. The popularity of the line is at it's highest since the apex of the G1 phenomenon. This really is the best time to be a Transformers collector right now, and I truly think people are starting to overlook the big picture.
MagnusPrimal: Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinobot Nuva And the point the other's are arguing back is that he's full of die cast compared to the other MP figures.
DN | Is he? Is this confirmed, or do we "know" it like we know Hasbro will be releasing MP Grimlock at some point?
And good grief, we're paying almost $50 more for a smaller product (compared to MP Convoy). Of course people will bitch about it. And imo, the bitching is justified. That's a heck of a price hike for arguably less product. Whether you care about the scale issue or not.
Ktulu:
In robot mode, it looks like he's a tad too tall to fit in with Classics, and too short to fit in with MP Prime and Megs since he should be taller than both, but eh, it's not really bad. I guess he's a better fit for Classics though.
Tekkaman Blade: Quote:
Originally Posted by payton34 I understand where you're coming from, but ever since the Transformers' inception in the early 80's there has never...never...been a single line (G1, Energon, Armada, Cybertron, etc) that was in scale. There is no precedent for an argument in favor of "scale" when the line has never been in scale to begin with, so I really don't see where these heated "it's not in scale, I feel so violated" types of arguments take place.
IMHO, we've all become spoiled. Wasn't MP-01 Prime originally supposed to be a one-time only thing? No "series" of Masterpiece figures were planned. Now we have six (Prime, Magnus, Megatron and the three seekers). The people clamored for Grimlock and now they're getting him. The popularity of the line is at it's highest since the apex of the G1 phenomenon. This really is the best time to be a Transformers collector right now, and I truly think people are starting to overlook the big picture. | Technically Wsts are in scale with the cartoon.
Enigma2K2: Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant I'm sorry but I'm very disappointed now. I don't care much how you justify the height by saying he's a bit larger than MP Starscream or that mode is a bit more compact. Fact is he's not as tall as MP Prime, he's been downgraded to that secondary & slightly smaller Masterpiece size present. It's Masterpiece, it's in the $150 range, and it's smaller than MP Prime. The comparison shots there with Classics Prime, Masterpiece Optimus and then G1 Grimlock have turned me off quite a bit to the item. The price made sense to me when I suspected something as big as if not larger than MP Optimus Prime/MP Megatron. Hell I was fully expecting a MP Grimlock with the size/proportions of Supreme Class Cybertron Starscream! But now, looking at that, he'll be MP Starscream sized, just a bit broader/bulkier. MAJOR disappointment. |
Well, that's one less person I have to worry about buying them before I can get one... anyone else hate it? Here's to improving my odds of getting one.
And is this the same website that went ape-shit not too long ago over WST Dinobot knockoffs? And completely forgave the fact that Masterpiece Megatron's gun mode was a little on the big side?
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