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Knock Off Replica Transformers Generation 1 Insecticon 3 Pack

Posted on 02-07-2008 at 03:59 PM by Deefuzz under Generation 1
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Digital-Toys now has a listing for a preorder for the next knock-off G1 Transformer to be released. This time it looks like we are getting replicas of the three G1 Insecticons. This three pack is currently priced at a $49.99 preorder price, and is listed to arrive February 20th.

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starscream.pt
those Ko's are taking ages to surface, where the hell is that so promissed wheelajck and sunstreaker?? it has been half a year since they were supposed to come out
GreenScream
WTF? This is getting pretty out of hand. They're now makings KOs of official reissues and molds that Tak/Tomy own.
Ruination04
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Originally Posted by GreenScream View Post
WTF? This is getting pretty out of hand. They're now makings KOs of official reissues and molds that Tak/Tomy own.
Yeah this is where I draw the line at KOs. I don't mid KO reissues of Sunstreaker, Mirage, or Wheeljack because you don't have any other options for a MISB version, unless you are Donald Trump or Bill Gates. But something like this??? WHY would you buy a KO of it when you can get the real thing? This is a big pass to me...

EDIT: Could this not be an order for the TFC reissues? They in with a bunch of other KOs but still...All it says is reproduction, not original G1...
DeathStorm
With the licensed reissues still available for a reasonable price, this makes no sense.

Maybe they are just catering to a specific market of KO collectors? A market that's certainly grown in the past year with all the KOs coming out in full force.
Mexi-Con
K.o. Madness! Wtf?
Prowl2000
I'm starting to think that Digital Toys has really taken a step down with their products. Its making me think twice about purchasing anything from them.
Megatronwp38
Yeah, This Is Getting Out Of Hand. I Will Not Buy Anyof These Reproductions.
GreenScream
I've been in the market for a KO G1 Mirage and Wheeljack, and possibly Shockwave. But this shuts the door on all of that.

I find it very questionable with what they are doing now. It's one thing to make KOs of molds that no longer exist or damaged but to make existing ones is screwed up.

I am somewhat curious how these are going to be packaged, will they use the TFC box style?
ROCK_LEE
G1 is officially dead. I knew this was gonna happen since KO swoop hit the market. I hate the tought of these figures and their accessories getting mixed in with the vintage market.
nkelsch
Well where do you think they got the money to finance this bullshit?

From people buying KOs.

Say no to KOs.
Brodimus Prime
This is sad. Really sad. The worst part of it is that there is no way to really tell the difference between them. I very nearly bought what I thought was an MIB Swoop at a local comic book store when the guy said that it was a re-issue. But it was in a G1 US box. While the Dinobots got reissued in Europe in the early 90s, they were not done so here in the States. I called the guy out on it and he admitted that it was a KO. The price was over $125!!! He said he did it because he got duped at a comic book convention and bought it thinking it was the G1 version. Here he was trying to con someone because he got conned. This is what the KOs have done. While they're nice for those who can't afford the originals, they are ruining this hobby for those seeking G1 toys. Sad.
Rodr-Evil
I'm sick of this cheap shit.
smkspy
Meh, shouldn't be surprising that they would create toys of in-use molds. After all one of the first bootlegs was OPTIMUS PRIME, a mold that is always in use.

The bootleg guys are gonna use EVERY mold they find at those old factories cause it'd be stupid for them not too.
airfox
Pass. I already have my vintage ones, a vintage KO Bombshell and the TFC Reissues.

-airfox
Paradigm-Shift Prime
Insecticons? That seems like a very strange choice for bootleg KOing. Pretty much anyone and their little sister can grab up all 3 vintage complete in decent quality for that much. And it's not like the Insecticons are in high demand or hard to find or have rare pieces or anything (compared to Sunstreaker and Wheeljack say).
unicron's blues
Man these are pretty expensive for KO's, I mean I hope the quality is really nice but still, when KO's are starting to cost more than official releases, seems kind of stupid to me.
Paradigm-Shift Prime
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Originally Posted by Brodimus Prime View Post
This is sad. Really sad. The worst part of it is that there is no way to really tell the difference between them. I very nearly bought what I thought was an MIB Swoop at a local comic book store when the guy said that it was a re-issue. But it was in a G1 US box. While the Dinobots got reissued in Europe in the early 90s, they were not done so here in the States. I called the guy out on it and he admitted that it was a KO. The price was over $125!!! He said he did it because he got duped at a comic book convention and bought it thinking it was the G1 version. Here he was trying to con someone because he got conned. This is what the KOs have done. While they're nice for those who can't afford the originals, they are ruining this hobby for those seeking G1 toys. Sad.
Yep that's a major problem with them for why they can be a really crappy deal that they exist in the way they do. One person dupes another who dupes another...many people get screwed and the further down the line it goes the less and less it is actually identified as a KO/bootleg. Bleh!

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Originally Posted by smkspy View Post
The bootleg guys are gonna use EVERY mold they find at those old factories cause it'd be stupid for them not too.
I'm pretty sure it's not known that that is how they're doing them.
Paradigm-Shift Prime
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Originally Posted by Ruination04 View Post

EDIT: Could this not be an order for the TFC reissues? They in with a bunch of other KOs but still...All it says is reproduction, not original G1...
'Reproduction' has generally become a cover word for fake/ko/bootleg to make them not sound as unauthentic, but so that it's not as direct a lie as 'reissue'.

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Originally Posted by bfarneth View Post
With the licensed reissues still available for a reasonable price, this makes no sense.

Maybe they are just catering to a specific market of KO collectors? A market that's certainly grown in the past year with all the KOs coming out in full force.
I could see that if these were being released in vintage G1-clone packaging, as the new ko/bootleg collectors seem to be into it for a MISB collection of them, because of how they are sort of passable as MISB vintage G1 (why else should a KO Gnaw cost $70-100?), and thus display them as such, but without that resemblance factor it's just confusing...

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Originally Posted by ROCK_LEE View Post
G1 is officially dead. I knew this was gonna happen since KO swoop hit the market. I hate the tought of these figures and their accessories getting mixed in with the vintage market.
So do others friend, so do others.
Gigatron_2005
$50 is not too bad. I think I will get these if the quality is good.


And for those crying foul because of the TFC reissues, tough luck! Have you priced the TFC Insecticons lately? The price those things are going for is madness!
Prometheum5
Yeah, but vintage Insecticons are boarderline dirt-cheap. This isn't cornering the market on an unavailable piece, it's simply copying existing and available products. By buying these, you're simply going to continue to make the vintage collector's market MORE dangerous.
DELTAsnake
Hopefully this will put downward pressure on the price of the TFC Insecticons.
reave
Crazy. I would bet you could find all three of those guys, MIB, for under $70 total. Why are they wasting their time with this crap? Just KO fort max, and then quit already!
lars573
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Originally Posted by bfarneth View Post
With the licensed reissues still available for a reasonable price, this makes no sense.
This gave me a good laugh, best one today. The TFC Insects cost $80-$150, FAR from resonable IMO. I think I'll buy these just cause the TFC ones are double what there asking.
Mirage232
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Originally Posted by ROCK_LEE View Post
G1 is officially dead. I knew this was gonna happen since KO swoop hit the market. I hate the tought of these figures and their accessories getting mixed in with the vintage market.
This is sadly true, as we all know that jerks on EBay will sell KO parts as vintage. I only bought the g1 Mirage KO because a) He is my favorite character, and b) most importantly, Takara and Hasbro won't get off their cheap butts and re-release him, and if it was any other Transformer, I would not have done it, Wheeljack and Sunstreaker included. Limiting KO's to a select 3 or 4 figures max is one thing, but now they are making knock-offs of everything! These guys are going to kill the G1 market on auction sites like the Gameboy Advance Games and Anime CD market was killed! Ever try to get a real Big O soundtrack on Ebay? Well, that is the future for G1 Transformers.
Omnibus Prime
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Originally Posted by Gigatron_2005 View Post
And for those crying foul because of the TFC reissues, tough luck! Have you priced the TFC Insecticons lately? The price those things are going for is madness!
Especially since one can get all 3 orginal G1 versions, with boxes and bubbles, for less than #16. Never quite understood that. In any case, glad I did just that before these clutter up Ebay.
Razorclaw
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Originally Posted by unicron's blues View Post
Man these are pretty expensive for KO's, I mean I hope the quality is really nice but still, when KO's are starting to cost more than official releases, seems kind of stupid to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TRANSFORMERS-G1-...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Transformers-Tak...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/TAKARA-TRANSFORM...QQcmdZViewItem

Wow, you couldn't have been more wrong. The TFC Insecticons are going for 2.5-3.5 times more than these Insecticons bootlegs.

You can't compare loose G1 original Insecticons and MISB bootleg Insecticons. You should compare MISB and MISB.


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Originally Posted by Gigatron_2005 View Post
$50 is not too bad. I think I will get these if the quality is good.

And for those crying foul because of the TFC reissues, tough luck! Have you priced the TFC Insecticons lately? The price those things are going for is madness!
Exactly. Proof is above.

I allready have all of the original Insecticons, so I won't be getting these, but if I didn't, I'd be on these puppies like a tick.
Mirage232
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Originally Posted by Razorclaw View Post
http://cgi.ebay.com/TRANSFORMERS-G1-...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Transformers-Tak...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/TAKARA-TRANSFORM...QQcmdZViewItem

Wow, you couldn't have been more wrong. The TFC Insecticons are going for 2.5-3.5 times more than these Insecticons bootlegs.

You can't compare loose G1 original Insecticons and MISB bootleg Insecticons. You should compare MISB and MISB.




Exactly. Proof is above.

I allready have all of the original Insecticons, so I won't be getting these, but if I didn't, I'd be on these puppies like a tick.
I think Unicronblue was referring to the re-issue Insecticons original price, which was the same amount when it came out. And considering the fact that unlike all the other recent G1 KO's, (save prime) have not been released in many years, you could see why some people don't consider this a great deal. It's not like the insecticons have not been reissued in twenty years, or have no chance of ever getting re-released, these guys came out, what, three years ago?
nkelsch
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Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
This gave me a good laugh, best one today. The TFC Insects cost $80-$150, FAR from resonable IMO. I think I'll buy these just cause the TFC ones are double what there asking.
What makes you think you have the right to vintage transformers at prices you determine reasonable.

Theft is theft regardless of how you try to morally justify it. You don't have the right to own any transformer. I hope HASBRO begins seriously cracking down on these Knock offs.

EDIT: and I really have a serious issue with people who are collecting these to keep MISB. Because I suspect some people are intentionally collecting them MISB with the intention of holding onto them for years and one day pass them off as vintage because the market will be so clouded. The only value of these are people who intend to open them because a fake KO in a fake KO box has no value to an honest person.
Prowlus
oh well at least they are show accurate since they are CLONES!
Frognal
This just means that Takomy should get off their asses and re-release the Insecticons again.
Paladine
Somewhat strange releasing a KO of a recently reissued toy. But whatever. I already have my Insecticons TFC MISB, maybe if these get cheap enough I will buy one to keep open.
Kranix2k
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Originally Posted by ROCK_LEE View Post
G1 is officially dead. I knew this was gonna happen since KO swoop hit the market. I hate the tought of these figures and their accessories getting mixed in with the vintage market.
Totally agree. I absolutely hate the fact that because of these KOs, eBay has become an even worse sesspool for G1 buyers like myself. Its ridiculous but I'll have to wait til Botcon to try and find a true Swoop. At least at the 'con, I can pick one up and examine it up close.
Skywarp181
i missed the first set so i might pick these up. hopefully they come in a orig.
G1 style packing.
Golden Age
Takara should catch these folks.
nkelsch
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Originally Posted by Skywarp181 View Post
i missed the first set so i might pick these up. hopefully they come in a orig.
G1 style packing.
I don't see the pride in owning something you know is fake and has no value. If you were in it for the toys, what does the packaging have to do with it?

I really fear seeing people trying to pass these off as legit 5-10 years from now.
Valkysas
I'll buy them if the quality is good. I can't afford the reissue, and MINT vintage would cost far more than this set.

I'd like to give Takara my money for them, but it seems they don't want it.
joevill
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Originally Posted by ROCK_LEE View Post
G1 is officially dead. I knew this was gonna happen since KO swoop hit the market. I hate the tought of these figures and their accessories getting mixed in with the vintage market.
You said exactly how I feel about the situation.
defstar
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Originally Posted by joevill View Post
You said exactly how I feel about the situation.

I'll third that...

KO's hurt this hobby IMO...if they are going to be allowed to make these KO's they need to be atleast forced to change up the colors so people can tell the difference...

It's like a cancer...
Bumble Prime
wow so everyone sell your collections now!!!!

ZOMG FAKE WEAPONS R ON DA EBAYZZZZ!!!!!! DAMN URS KAY O MAKERZ!!!!

what im seeing here is damn near mint ( you know the quality is getting close, very close) insecticons for 50 bucks.....

yay for people who collect for fun and not money!
nkelsch
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Originally Posted by Bumble Prime View Post
yay for people who collect for fun and not money!
What is the fun in collecting MISB fakes?

That is like collecting comics by taking a vintage comic to Kinkos and having a color copy made and then sticking that color copy in a Bag and Board or Framing it and saying "I collect comics for fun! Look at my MINT collection!"

I get people think they have the right to own vintage TFs at cheap prices, I just don't see the appeal of people wanting MISB Knockoffs. If you were getting them to open and play with and relive your childhood with knock-offs, fine, but collecting and displaying MISB KO? It makes me feel people want to have fake collections of Knockoffs then mysteriously forget they are fakes and pass the collection off as real down the road.
Bumble Prime
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Originally Posted by nkelsch View Post
What is the fun in collecting MISB fakes?
you take them out of the box, and they change from insect to robot and back again........theyre more than meets the eye

i didnt say anything about misb........

but i payed 30 for loose vintage ones with dodgy stickers a while back, when it comes to g1 stuff these price points arent matching up to MISB.

all of these KO's are significantly cheaper than their real counterparts MISB, so i say buy the KO's save some money and open em up and transform them back and forth and back and forth and back and forth
nkelsch
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Originally Posted by Bumble Prime View Post
all of these KO's are significantly cheaper than their real counterparts MISB, so i say buy the KO's save some money and open em up and transform them back and forth and back and forth and back and forth
Or be ethical and pay the increased price for the real stuff or suck it up and realize you don't have the right to own anything you want at the price you want.
Kranix2k
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Originally Posted by Bumble Prime View Post
wow so everyone sell your collections now!!!!

ZOMG FAKE WEAPONS R ON DA EBAYZZZZ!!!!!! DAMN URS KAY O MAKERZ!!!!

what im seeing here is damn near mint ( you know the quality is getting close, very close) insecticons for 50 bucks.....

yay for people who collect for fun and not money!

If you want to keep deluding yourself about the improving quality and like getting insecticons made of shitty plastic and basically colored in finger paints, go for it, but please don't insult others for wanting the authentic merchandise. You also should respect the fact that many times people have been burned by people advertising these toys as the originals, only to get shipped a paint flaking, brittle plastic nightmare.
Golden Age
I think these appeal to people who don't like G1 that much, but want to have the G1 toys in their collection. Part of me also thinks that they must love the bitter irony of the whole thing.
alien
why always KO but not official? Insecticon already release by Tomy Takara...Should it be again? Japanese Encore should make it more verity,omega supreme and skylynx are good example anyway...Don't just KO PLEASE...i already regret to get my KO metroplex! i believe official will be release more n more classic vintage autobot and decepticon since they were did in Omega and Skylynx! I'll wait for it...
Prisoner1138
KO after KO after KO. I'm tempted to just give up collecting g1, because eventually it'll get to a point where I'll end up with some KO turd, not because it's somehow going to devalue my collection. I've already quit buying gundam stuff from agesthreeandup due to their enthusiastic support of KO transformers.
Ramrider
I do agree with Kelsch in that although I'm perfectly fine with the concept of high-quality KOs at the right price, having them packaged in a similarly-reproed G1-style box so they look like mint G1s does worry me as far as the market is concerned; it is just asking for trouble. A KO is fine in my book as long as it doesn't claim not to be a KO; when the clone claims to be the original and no-one can tell it's lying... a line needs to be drawn.

I must admit, as others have said, while I see the sense in producing the likes of Mirage, Wheeljack and Sunstreaker, who aren't going to be officially done... probably ever, the Insecticons seem like an odd choice considering how recently they've been done, even if these are cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Brodimus Prime View Post
While the Dinobots got reissued in Europe in the early 90s, they were not done so here in the States.
Just to clarify and expand, not all the Dinobots were reissued in Europe. Only Grimlock, Sludge and Snarl were reissued, and even then it wasn't in original G1-style packaging, but in the then-current gold boxes under the "Classics" banner.
On top of which, we've never had access to Swoop under any release, original, reissue or G2.
Might Gaine
I saw a picture of these a while back (Ehobby version KO too, I believe), but I never thought they would actually make a full run. Maybe they'll end up doing that all-white Optimus as well at some point...

Edit--Oh yeah, and Hasbro needs to shut these guys down. I forgot to mention that
cobra zartan
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Originally Posted by Might Gaine View Post
I saw a picture of these a while back (Ehobby version KO too, I believe), but I never thought they would actually make a full run. Maybe they'll end up doing that all-white Optimus as well at some point...

Edit--Oh yeah, and Hasbro needs to shut these guys down. I forgot to mention that
AGreed, shut them down put em in jail and let them get torn new ones each and every week.

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