Encore 10 Omega Supreme Gets New Face, Trans-Scanning Figures to Include G1-Style Catalog

It's going to be a newly sculped face inside the visor. I don't think the picture is of the final product, though....

As for the "clones", I assumed 5 G1 Jetrons mentioned there were simply Thundercracker, Skywarp, Dirge, Thrust and Ramjet. Really need a scan here

well we obviously need a better image. *L*

As for the seekers, who knows, it could just be cannon fodder for all we know. Or it could be a black SS deco, a clear deco, an orange deco, skywarp, and ramjet. hehehe

There's not a chance they are the Classics seekers, rather then the G1?

We are talking about an illustration of Henkei toys, so I'd say they are illustrated as a recolour of Henkei Starscream. Recoloured like G1 Jetron

Can't really see the face but Omega Supreme is seriously cool and I always wanted one so, sold!

Astrotrain and Rodimus both look very nice too.

I'll wait and see on these Seekers, could be anything.

Omega's face was very visible in the cartoon, but the Encore seems to be closer to the Marvel comic version where it was much subtler.

Do we need this thread because of that Figure-Oh scan thread anymore?

i am exceedingly curious to see what's up with those seekers.

I'm not seeing the face on Omega.
And I'm interested in the seekers as well. Can't wait for pics.

Much I don't want to get dissed for not drooling on the cartoon designs, I'm in agreement. Frankly, I'd prefer it as an optional insert, card or otherwise, like the Ratchet and Ironhide heads, so I could cheerfully leave it out.

That depends entirely on what you mean by "well", though, doesn't it? If you mean how well it sold, then great. But if you mean how "cartoon-accurate" it looked (a non-sequitur if ever there was one), then I question the phrasing. I thought the point of the Encore toys was pretty much to bring back the G1 toys, not to make them look like the cartoon. I don't want Bumblebee with the cartoon face, either.

Now the Seeker redecoes I'm interested in. I'd love to see what they've got cooked up for those guys.

What I meant was the quality of the sculpt. The original Bumblebee face is on the keychain reissue for a nice, affordable option. If you prefer TFC Meister, well, that's on you.

I personally like when they physically distinguish the reissues or new ones from the old ones. I would say take it a step further and put a decal like G2 markings that clearly show it is a reissue.

If you want an original, then buy an original.

Nah bruh, if I want an original I buy reissue, cuz I want them wintergeen minty fresh! If you want to spend a small fortune on them quarter century germ riddled relics, then that's on you!

Not sure about TFC Meister offhand. I'll stick with my G1 Jazz. Interesting thought on the Bumblebee, though. I've already got BB sorted, as it happens, but I may have to go searching for that keychain Omega...

No, I wouldn't want crap like that on any reissue I buy. No way that wouldn't hurt sales.
Simply have the new, what is it, copyright date?, stamped on the figure, where it clearly shows it's new rather than vintage.

^ exactly

Isn't this hobby supposed to be fun? I mean really, if this is getting you that upset, maybe you need a break or something.

I dunno, as frustrated as he might be getting, I can understand it. I certainly don't like the idea of having to shell out extra to make it look like the toy it was originally supposed to be. I disagree with the forced 'cartoonisation' (yeah, I made that up ) of the toys. They did it with the Bumblebee reissue, giving him the cartoon face. Admittedly, as Fosterlager said, you can sort of get round that by getting the keychain. But that's hardly an option with an Omega reissue, is it?
If it's a sculpted piece, it should at the very least be easily removeable, so you can make it look exactly like the original toy if you choose.

I think that is the best way to distiquish vintage from reissue. That way you can have a perfectly new toy with an updated date stamp and vintage collecters won't get hurt when purchasing what they think is vintage.

What're you people complaining about, anyway? The face seems barely visible to me, and I'll be happy to just get an Omega Supreme period.

I still wish they'd reissue Scorponok or Trypticon though. My decepticons are horribly outnumbered as far as bases are concerned already...

I don't see why there is adverse reaction.

If you are a MISB collector, it really doesn't matter what the figure inside has on it because the box is staying sealed.

If you are going to open it, it still looks like and has the nostalgic feelings of the originals, having a small little paint application on the underside of the foot or some other place doesn't ruin the nostalgia. This is also a good way to distinguish lucky draws or short runs by having the 1/300 on the figure instead of just the box.

If having a distinguishing mark on the figure "ruins" it for you then I suspect youa re trying to do something devious with the figure and pretend the figure is more vintage or rare than it really is.

Yeah, but isn't putting an updated date stamp on it kinda doing this anyway?

No. Remember the Ratchet/Ironhide Reissue?

They released a limited run of both of those molds in special packaging and then used the same mold to release a general re-issue. The figures inside each package is the same and if you take it out of package you have no way to distinguish the figures.

Many people who bought the limited run felt jipped because the encore came out later with the same molds.

It would have been nice for those special runs to have the same limited number and possibly a logo signifying the limited edition of the packaging. It would also be good to label the Encore when the Encore and Reissue share a mold and copyright markings.

There are plenty of places that are not seen on robot mode or alt mode that they can mark up. I would at least like limited runs to be numbered but I think it would be fine to mark all figures.

Awesome. I was getting him to have a case-fresh one, even though I have a pretty nice vintage piece. The new face makes it that much more worthwhile.

I understand what you are saying but I think having a "2008" date vs. a "1984" date would distiguish them properly without having to mark them up. Plus, some people may like to take them out of the box to display new minty figures and keep the boxes on the side.

I hear you that people may try and get over on other people by advertising ORIGINAL Transformers when indeed they are a reissue, but the date satmp will kill anyone trying to do that.

The Encore Ratchet and Ironhide do use a thinner, almost transparent plastic. It's not visible in photos really, but it's easy to tell in hand.

This assumes everyone who collects TFs has access to online communities and knows to look for the differences.

And that in 10-15 years that these same resources will still exist.

It doesn't seem like a big deal to mark Reissues, Special Runs and Encores as such to me. And Updating the molds with Geewun faces doesn't seem like a problem either. Ultimately it is hard to say the nostalgia is lost because Bee has a different head or a paint app on the bottom of his foot. It seems like a Win-Win situation that would pay off for everyone in the long run.

oooooo me want!

I wasn't suggesting it as a cure-all for reissue differentiation. Takara won't futz with the toys too much if they think it will cost them sales. They wouldn't care less about the secondary market, the confusion/misrepresentation with originals etc. I think the alterations they make are geared for improvement of the toy, however they decide to define improvement. Or differentiation, to keep their collector base buying slight variations of the same toy over and over. But I think that's why the Encore Starscream and Soundwave differ from TFC Starscream and Hasbro Commemorative Soundwave, for example.

I don't care what you suspect.
So the updated, non-vintage copyright stamp isn't good enough for you? Why?
And you get don't understand how people can use knockoffs in their collection to stand in for the real thing, but you also don't understand why someone wouldn't want their actual, Takatomy/Hasbro reissue defaced with some sort of extra paint application?

Edit:
I see why, but I don't agree. I don't want any extraneous paint applications on any reissues I buy. I still think the date stamp is fine. The secondary market doesn't concern me very much, and I would prefer that the companies I buy from not alter their products because of some 'what ifs' concerning said market.

Well Said

Because it doesn't exist? There is no updated Copyright on many of the reissues. My Takara Encore Metal Predaking from two years ago says Copyright 1986. So there is no difference between my figure and an original except age. Most of my other reissues have original mold Copyrights.

If you consider a mark on the inside of a leg or bottom of a foot "defacing" then you really must have a problem or are trying to pass them off as originals.

Why are you always accusing people of trying to scam other people? I have read several posts from you and you always think people are up to no good and are trying to scam. I'm not stupid to think there aren't people out there doing that but you are just blatently accusing people of doing this because they feel that the reissues they are buying should be very similar to the originals.

Not that I should be defending myself but to beat you to the punch, I like my reissues to be as close to the originals as possible and NOT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO PASS THEM OFF AS ORIGINALS, but because I don't want to spend ridiculous amounts of cash on the original when I can have a very close to original reissue.

If you think they should be a special marking, then after you purchase it you can mark it up all you want so you know you're not trying to passs off a reissue as an original.

Not trying to step in to defend nkelsh ('cause he doesn't need help) ... but I wanted to point out two things:

My mom always says: Piensa mal y acertaras. (Roughly translated as: think bad/badly about something or someone, and you will be right. "Think bad" as in expect something bad from something or someone. Also a pun, because if you "think bad", then you're not doing it right )

It's a pessimistic take on life I guess, but it prepares you for the worst.

Seems to me you agree with nkelsh.

He's not arguing against "very close". He's arguing against identical.

-airfox

Being pessimistic and not trusting anyone is one thing, but what this guy is doing is plain wrong. He is accusing people of doing things they may or may not be doing. He also has done this on a number of threads regarding KO's.

I don't agree with him at all, I do not want my reissues to have markings on them, all I said was i think that changing the date on them would be a better option. He disagrees and things that by doing that people are trying to pass off reissues as originals.

Remember; it's not paranoia if everyone really is out to get you.

Sky Lynx does, though. He says "© Takara 2007". I'm pretty damn certain Omega Supreme will too.

That is good, like I said, not all of them do. They probably don't change the copyright unless they had to recast the mold. It appears they did not on Predaking, I am looking at Divebomb's inner leg and it says 1986.

I don't understand the outrage against a non-visible marking that distinguishes it or marks it's limited edition in a limited run like Ironhide/Ratchet. If having a marking on the bottom of a foot which you can't even see in either mode offends you and haunts your dreams at night because you know it is there I question your motivation.

And considering people passing KO and reissues parts and *WHOLE* as originals is a constant and real situation, I think that there is a reasonable position to distrust someone protesting to such a degree with no real position except I want mine to look and feel as original as possible when a marking doesn't interfere with that goal.

Besides, i think it would be a good thing if we see future limited reissues like Ironhide/Ratchet, which I have to keep mine in box because should I remove him from box, I have a much harder time proving I have a limited Ironhide opposed a Limited package with a regular ironhide. A Crest or marking on the bottom of his foot that said "Limited Takara 1/300 would have done that and not ruined one bit of the quality or design of the figure except for someone trying to pass the limited figure or encore figure off as original.

I don't really see what the problem is here.

Omega Supreme is getting reissued (Hell has clearly frozen over, several times in fact) and people are still complaining? I'm beginning to understand why TF fandom is mocked by outsiders...

I wish I could slap people in the face across the internet somehow.

Dude, Why can't you grasp the fact that people who are buying reissues do not want these markings? I in particular do not want them marked up and I have no intention on passing these off as originals. If one of my friends ask me about it, I will tell them it's a reissue.

I am buying these reissues and I do want these markings. So change your statement that *YOU* do not want these markings as I am sure there are others who and others who have no opinion.

I still haven't heard a valid reason why it is a bad thing. Maybe if you had a reason, your opinion might be more respected. I can understand why people dislike the mold changes like the heads, but I see no valid reason why there is a problem apart from people want them to be indistinguishable from the real thing.

http://seibertron.com/toys/fullsize....ize=2&image=16

Is a marking like that destroying the figure? I think it would be great for limited figures to document their limited existence out of the box. And I think it would make life easier for casual collectors without causing any actual harm to the products. I can't see a single person who would not buy a re-issue because of a marking like this unless they had sinister motives.

Hell, we could just put a star on their backs that says "REISSUE"

why would anyone wanted a specially marked TF???

plus why would hasbro want to remake all new molds to reflect this new, improved special mark?????

Because they have been releasing and will plan in the future to release limited edition figures and it is common practice when you have limited edition figures to mark them with their number in the batch.

Also when you make reissues or encores it is also common to mark them as such.

It is common in collectors markets, which the whole encore market is.

Im never surprised by your tipical comments.
boo

I'd like to know your source of that. Guys like Emergency Green Ratchet and Black Ironhide don't need a seperate marking.

I can understand both sides of this arguement unfortunately its not something that going to change now or be changed in the future so just keep your guard up and be happy were getting these at all ... I have given up in older G1 except for the Japanese only stuff because of the KO's and the Reissues. Just find what works for you.

Ok, I'm done.

Yeah , well if it were common for them to mark them reissues they would be marking the toys as reissues and you would not be complaining that they are not marked as reissues then , RIGHT???

^ perfect point...

why do I get the feeling that the most attention nkelsch ever recieves in life is on this message board?

What I'm saying is they *should* update the copyright stamp, with whatever year the reissue is released in. Beyond that, I am totally against adding any kind of extra paint/mark to the reissues. I don't care about the secondary market.
Do you try and scam people, passing reissues off as vintage? Because you certainly talk about it a lot. Any TFs I sell are MISB, so the buyer sees exactly what is being bid on. And I don't mess with KOs, so kindly stop insulting me/questioning my integrity.

I have to say yes. At this point it is getting totally aggravating that he and about three other people, in EVERY FRIGGIN THREAD about reissues or knockoffs, drag them down into an argument. Old.

Valid reason: I want the reissue to be *unmarked*! That's how I like them. Some sort of paint splotch on the bottom of the foot would bug me. I would know it was there, and it would irritate the crap out of me. That's why I spend all sorts of time trying to pick out the figure with the best paint job. Because stuff like that bothers me! Believe it or not. I really am past caring at this point.
Now, if they wanted to stamp '1 of whatever' on it, similar to the copyright stamp, that probably wouldn't bother me. But no extraneous paint!
And reissues are 'the real thing.' They may not be the original, vintage figures, but they are released by the same companies. They're just as valid. Isn't that one of your arguments in the KO threads?