 | | | Canadian Customs Regulators Reverse Ban on Masterpiece Megatron | | Posted on 08-07-2008 at 11:06 PM by fosterlager | According to a story in tomorrow's edition of Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, the Canadian International Trade Tribunal has reversed its ban on imports of Takara's Masterpiece Megatron. The figure, with his Generation One-updated Walther P-38 pistol mode, had been turned away at the border since its release under an Ottawa law prohibiting replica firearms.
But an RCMP forensics expert, after measuring the 30% size difference between Megatron's gun mode and his real-life counterpart, determined the Transformer was much too big to qualify as a replica firearm, so the Canadian ban on replicas does not apply. Good news for Canadian fans!
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Originally Posted by The Globe and Mail August 7, 2008 at 9:07 PM EDT
OTTAWA — For months, Canadian trade regulators have pondered a feature of a famous Transformers toy that has amused fans for years: Is the dastardly Megatron a robot or is he the replica pistol that he can be rearranged to resemble?
Ottawa bans the import of objects “designed to look exactly or almost exactly like a real firearm” in part because it fears they could be used to commit crimes.
The Canadian International Trade Tribunal, which usually deals with mundane subjects such as steel imports, found itself puzzling over whether Megatron, the anti-hero of the Transformers toy franchise, should be turned away at the border for looking too much like a fake weapon.
After consulting an RCMP forensics expert, the federal tribunal officially published its verdict online this week, decreeing that Megatron, leader of the Decepticons, is definitely not a replica firearm.
As kids of the 1980s will remember, Megatron is a dastardly evil Transformer robot who longs to conquer the Earth. But Canadian border guards who don't like the fact he can be rearranged to look like a semi-automatic pistol have barred his entry into Canada.
The ruling by the quasi-judicial tribunal means the classic versions of Megatron – a robot that turns into a facsimile of a Walther model P-38 pistol – can once again be imported.
Megatron, as children of the 1980s will know, is the arch-villain of the Transformers universe where robots can change into vehicles, devices and animals. He began life as a robot that turns into a pistol, but manufacturers also produced a version that transformed into something less worrisome for customs officials, such as a tiny tank.
The classic Megatron's case received a boost from the unlikeliest of sources when a Royal Canadian Mounted Police forensics lab measured him in pistol form and determined that he was too big to closely mimic a Walther pistol.
“It does not exactly resemble a firearm as it is approximately 30 per larger in size than an actual Walther, model P-38,” a Mountie forensics specialist wrote in a report for the CITT deliberations.
Canadian customs officials triggered these hearings last November when they confiscated a collector's edition of the Megatron robot, saying the silver and black figure too closely resembled a replica firearm when rearranged.
Canada Border Services Agency, which reports to Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, refused to reverse the decision, and so Jonathan Bell, the B.C. man who had been trying to import a copy of Megatron, appealed to the trade tribunal.
“The item is shipped as a Transformer robot and remains in the robot form until someone changes it to another form, in this case a Walther P-38 pistol,” Mr. Bell wrote in his appeal.
He wrote that when laws and regulations on replica firearms are taken at face value without considering intent, “we would have to consider prohibiting wood, plastic or metal [from entering] our country, since all of those items can be transformed into something else.” | globeandmail.com: Leader of the Decepticons, yes; replica firearm, no Ripclaw:
i like how they called transform rearange XD
General Tekno:
Huh. Had no idea the legality of my Megatron was in question.
Dark_Convoy:
I'd guess they are talking about MP Megatron with the 30% larger bit, but what about the much smaller G1 Megatron?
General Tekno: Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Convoy I'd guess they are talking about MP Megatron with the 30% larger bit, but what about the much smaller G1 Megatron? | Good question. I wonder how many retailers even KNEW these laws existed.
After all, Encore Megs was packaged in gun mode.
Tony_Bacala: Quote:
The classic Megatron's case received a boost from the unlikeliest of sources when a Royal Canadian Mounted Police forensics lab measured him in pistol form and determined that he was too big to closely mimic a Walther pistol.
“It does not exactly resemble a firearm as it is approximately 30 per larger in size than an actual Walther, model P-38,” a Mountie forensics specialist wrote in a report for the CITT deliberations.
| I guess he's talking about Masterpiece Megatron, because G1 Megs is a bit smaller, and pretty close to original size. Plus, comes in gun mode in all versions I know of. Wait till they get that one thrown at them "All Megatron Transformers brand items that rearrange from robot to pistol but are larger than an actual pistol, and come pre-arranged as a robot, may enter. Those that are the same size or smaller than a real pistol and come pre-arranged as a gun, may not enter.
Internal Note: Both are named Megatron and are Transformers brand items. Some may feature both rearrangement views on the box. Some may not have a window on the box. There are 2-10 known boxes for these Megatron Transformers Brand items. There are also Megatron Transformers Brand items which do not arrange into a gun."
I can see Canadian customs agents just tossing these frikkin things in the garbage. "Whoops, lost".
Skywave:
Looks like they're talking about MP Megs, being oversized and shipped in robot form. Wonder if they'd still allow the G1 one, being probably 1:1 in size, and shipped in gun mode.
But from now on, I'll have to say "Rearrange from gun to robot and back!" soundwaveCA:
I dont think I've ever heard of any problems with Megatron and Canadian customs to begin with.
SPLIT LIP: Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundwave.ca I dont think I've ever heard of any problems with Megatron and Canadian customs to begin with. | No kidding, I had no idea this guy was ever banned to begin with.
Woo?
Fosterlager: Quote:
Originally Posted by Skywave Looks like they're talking about MP Megs, being oversized and shipped in robot form. Wonder if they'd still allow the G1 one, being probably 1:1 in size, and shipped in gun mode.
But from now on, I'll have to say "Rearrange from gun to robot and back!"  | If I hold G1 Megatron, there's not enough stock to grip him with all 4 fingers. There's no room for the pinky. He's scaled down for a child's hand.
Vangelus:
Damn it, what's the point of owning this toy if it's not illegal to have in my country?!
*throws it out*
Incepticon:
This is the first I've heard there ever was a problem to begin with. I seem to recall many Americans ordering from Canadian sources *because* we were able to get them in stock without any orange plug modifications.
Weird.
Automorpher:
Kudos for our Canadian friends!
The orange plug sucks! SPLIT LIP: Quote:
Originally Posted by Vangelus Damn it, what's the point of owning this toy if it's not illegal to have in my country?!
*throws it out* | lars573: Quote:
Originally Posted by Soundwave.ca I dont think I've ever heard of any problems with Megatron and Canadian customs to begin with. | Go find Jonathan Bell on youtube and you'll have heard of one. BBTS (where Mr. Bell bought his second run Megs from) ships international orders of MP Megs with a piece of paper warning that he transforms into a realistic looking pistol. I saw one of his videos after he'd tried and failed to get the CBSA to reverse it's decision. He read a copy of the warning letter BBTS put into the box with Megs that CBSA sent him.
Fortunately for me TFsource put "Transformer, Megatron" on the customs declaration. PrimeOQZ:
How about another guy on youtube who basically put out an ad for someone to claim the MP megatron he ordered because customs would not send it to him. Canadian customs said he had to pay to get it destroyed or send it back. I think he was offering to redirect it to someone with a US address, they just had to pay the shipping costs. I don't remember correctly but he was upset because he paid for it and Canadian customs wanted him to pay for it to be destroyed or sent back. Bryan:
Is that...a common sense ruling?
Well, hell. Good for you, government!
Sidecutter:
I was of the option that his general size difference would disqualify this particular figure from falling under the laws meant to cover toy/replica firearms (anywhere) from early on. I can't say that I am surprised to hear this made official someplace, though I *am* surprised anyone actually got a goverment agency to consider the matter in a proper light and actually look at the item in question to make the point clear.
Enigma2K2:
... and common sense strikes again!
Autovolt 127:
I never knew Stephen Harper loves Transformers.
Destron23:
Finally I can own a MP Megatron. I was wondering if I should purchase one after I saw IonPrime's video on youtube about how he had legal issues with his Megatron.
Railguard:
Wow, he looks fantastic!!!
Ezilla82:
Lucky Canadians. Thats all I have to say.
Nexus Prime:
I guess size does matter.
Cinemastique:
Megatron "longs to conquer the Earth."
Sounds so...passive. Like there ought to be a musical number involved.
shibamura_prime:
Go Canada in your support of comically huge firearm replicas!
SmokescreenWRX:
Congratulations on Cananada using common sense. I wish the US gov't could follow suit.
Drake:
Wow. Common sense prevails for once. Who would have thought.
lars573: Quote:
Originally Posted by shibamura_prime Go Canada in your support of comically huge firearm replicas! | Shhh! Don't say that they might hear you! It's illegal to own replica firearms here. Which is why he got turned back. Toy gun=fine, replica firearm=totally illegal.
General Tekno: Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573 Shhh! Don't say that they might hear you! It's illegal to own replica firearms here. Which is why he got turned back. Toy gun=fine, replica firearm=totally illegal. | But see, the thing that's REALLY odd about all this is that most Canadians had NO problem getting him.
I mean, look at all the orders A3U filled for instance.
Fosterlager:
A3U didn't put a note in the package that all but exclaimed "I AM A REPLICA FIREARM! CONFISCATE ME!"
CripNite:
Geez, I've had mine for months, bought from a canadian retailer unmodified and didn't know I wasn't supposed to have it.
Peaugh:
I don't get the "replica" ban in the first place. I mean, okay, someone might use it to try and hold some one up, or rob a store, but even if they were never caught for it, wouldn't you generally rather have someone running around with a "gun" that couldn't kill people, as opposed to one that could?
General Tekno:
Yeah... I mean, why would you rob a store with an MP Megs?
If you can afford one of those, odds are you don't NEED the cash that badly.
SmokescreenWRX: Quote:
Originally Posted by General Tekno Yeah... I mean, why would you rob a store with an MP Megs?
If you can afford one of those, odds are you don't NEED the cash that badly. | Again, common sense prevails.
HUZZAH!
Chainclaw: Quote:
Originally Posted by Peaugh I don't get the "replica" ban in the first place. I mean, okay, someone might use it to try and hold some one up, or rob a store, but even if they were never caught for it, wouldn't you generally rather have someone running around with a "gun" that couldn't kill people, as opposed to one that could? | Some replicas can be converted into working firearms.
Emperor Zarak:
Now if only our US regulators realized that then we wouldn't need the yellow plug...
Nocturn: Quote:
Originally Posted by CripNite Geez, I've had mine for months, bought from a canadian retailer unmodified and didn't know I wasn't supposed to have it. | This.
airfox: Quote:
Originally Posted by fosterlager A3U didn't put a note in the package that all but exclaimed "I AM A REPLICA FIREARM! CONFISCATE ME!" | Also A3U shipments to Canada don't go through customs.
A3U shipments received from China do go through customs ... wonder how they got their stock.
-airfox
Ktulu:
The guy that was fighting them over it is one of my Youtube friends and they really really gave him a hard time so I'm glad that in the end it was worth it for him
NeilJam: Quote:
Originally Posted by Incepticon This is the first I've heard there ever was a problem to begin with. I seem to recall many Americans ordering from Canadian sources *because* we were able to get them in stock without any orange plug modifications.
Weird. |
I ordered from A3U to avoid having a plug stuck in the end. Turns out many were easily removed anyway but I didn't want to take a chance on it having a plug that was permanent. Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidecutter I was of the option that his general size difference would disqualify this particular figure from falling under the laws meant to cover toy/replica firearms (anywhere) from early on. I can't say that I am surprised to hear this made official someplace, though I *am* surprised anyone actually got a goverment agency to consider the matter in a proper light and actually look at the item in question to make the point clear. |
Collectors in Australia also had issues importing Megatron due to gun replica laws there.
optimusprime42:
canadian customs... i'm sorry sir your not allowed in canada
megatron what do you know who i am
well sir we don't allow firearms... megatron oh so unwise
lars573: Quote:
Originally Posted by Peaugh I don't get the "replica" ban in the first place. I mean, okay, someone might use it to try and hold some one up, or rob a store, but even if they were never caught for it, wouldn't you generally rather have someone running around with a "gun" that couldn't kill people, as opposed to one that could? | Because replica firearms can still get person holding it killed. Me I'm NEVER taking any G1 or G1-esque Megs out in public. Not in his box, not anywhere. If I have to move then they will go into another box or my canvas TRU bag. And no one will see them, far too risky. Quote: |
Originally Posted by General Tekno But see, the thing that's REALLY odd about all this is that most Canadians had NO problem getting him.
I mean, look at all the orders A3U filled for instance. | We didn't as it had been fuly inspected before by CBSA and declared a toy. That is until BBTS started shipping then with a "It turns into a giant ass gun peoples!!" note with him. Then the problems started.
StarFire_MK2: Quote:
Originally Posted by General Tekno Huh. Had no idea the legality of my Megatron was in question. | Me neither.
Motor_Master:
I wonder how long it took the Customs agents to transform MP Megs into Gun mode. Man I would love to be a fly on the wall for that one.
"Well sir it took us a week but we finally rearranged that robot into it's Walther P-38 mode..."
Sidecutter: Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilJam Collectors in Australia also had issues importing Megatron due to gun replica laws there. | I know. That was the same reason I had to go through hell and high water with my first shipment because supplier didn't want to risk getting in trouble shipping them to the US.
Doesn't mean it makes any sense though.
thygriever:
i dunno... i think it still pretty much resembles a real gun.. even if bigger. I can understand the ban. And he actually transforms into a gun shape so saying that prohibiting wood wouldnt make sense unless it was a wooden toy made to transform into a Walther lol
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