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Transformers Regeneration One Issue Zero Announced

Posted on 06-04-2013 at 03:16 PM by Sol Fury under Comics
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News has reached us from the Twitter account of the 2D Comics Fest - the Northern Ireland Comics Festival held in Derry / Londonderry in Northern Ireland over the past weekend that Simon Furman will be penning an additional issue of Transformers Regeneration 1, a special "issue zero" complete with five pages of art by Transformers art legend Geoff Senior!

Simon Furman announces @IDWPublishing #transformers regeneration one issue 0 on panel at #2dcomicsfest five pages of art by @geoffsenior

Further information from the Transformers Regeneration 1 Facebook page suggests that this issue will take place and expand on scenes that will transpire in Regeneration 1 issue 94 - scenes and exposition that will echo throughout the rest of the series.

Geoff will be doing 5 pages of a special Zero issue. There are more artists to be announced...
It is a step sideways following some dramatic events of 94 with BIG implications for 95 and beyond... RG1 will still end at issue 100.
And no, there is no Wildman art in this one but a host of amazing Trans art legends


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Burningsirius
Don't expect this to be front paged. Know this, the vast majority of us love Regeneration One. TFW 2005 hates Regeneration One with a passion. I was removed from a discussion because I disagreed with the consensus.
fryguy81
not sure about the majority. If most posts are any indication... and sales for that matter. I'm thinking the Regeneration is seen as more a failed idea and one that is not pleasing many.

Or as a podcaster succinctly put it "it's the story many asked for and nobody wanted"
megatroptimus
I like Regeneration, it's the only one I'm reading right now. Bought all of Ongoing, MTMTE and RID, but haven't read yet the last 2.
Anguirus
This should go in news...if you find a link to confirm it.

Sounds cool though. I loved the first story arc of Regen, hated the second, but this is certainly intriguing enough to pick up.
Hot Shot.
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I loved the first story arc of Regen, hated the second, but this is certainly intriguing enough to pick up.
I agree with this. It was great until Furman rehashed Maximum Dinobots with the "Decepticon Gene" Sunbow-level of nonsense.
Sol Fury
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Originally Posted by Anguirus View Post
This should go in news...if you find a link to confirm it.

Sounds cool though. I loved the first story arc of Regen, hated the second, but this is certainly intriguing enough to pick up.
Here's a link - frontpage coming shortly.

https://twitter.com/2DComicsFest/sta...49516063838208

Love me some Regeneration 1 - got to admit that the series reads better when taken as a whole instead of individual issues.

Geoff Senior art makes me a happy Transformers fan.
Valkysas
I think Regeneration One is pretty damn terrible, but I'll buy anything with Geoff Senior art.
seanlockyer
After issue 100 watch everyone clamor for a continuation (or at least "Another Time and Place" type of resolution...)

It would be better if they continued it past 100 and just kept the story going. Issue #100 will be like #80 all over again (or issue #12 of G2).....I.E.-Sadness.....
gothsaurus
Odd that any aspect of TF would be singled out and hated on the boards. (??) I think Regeneration1 has its pros and cons. I am really glad they are trying to wrap up the old comic stories, in spite of it being a mixed bag.

I do think bringing Furman/Wildman/Senior has been an amazing accomplishment. Those guys draw up a LOT of nostalgia for fans —*me included. I've loved seeing the slightly updated yet retro style... and the Senior covers have been amazing. If anything, it seems like my complaint would be seems like a lot of empty frames with no words... like less happening per issue. (Compared with MTMTE.) Still that's a pacing issue more than art or story.

Can't wait for this bonus #0 issue. Really good news. Senior rocks.
DrawerDemon
I've bought the whole series so far...to go with my full set of G1 comics, from my boyhood, which I dearly cherish.
BUT...
Since it's the continuation of the Marvel run, I'm wondering WTF the haters were expecting.
Even the "Epic" G1 Marvel stories look pretty silly in retrospect.

Remember how it felt to pick up TF #80 and see "#80 IN A FOUR ISSUE LIMITED SERIES" on the cover?
And then how it felt to read Furman's last-page wrapup? "There's a slim chance TF Comics may return, but probably not."

You don't?
Then Regen One isn't for you.
Valkysas
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Originally Posted by DrawerDemon View Post
I've bought the whole series so far...to go with my full set of G1 comics, from my boyhood, which I dearly cherish.
BUT...
Since it's the continuation of the Marvel run, I'm wondering WTF the haters were expecting.
Even the "Epic" G1 Marvel stories look pretty silly in retrospect.
I expected something of similar quality. I did not expect Simon Furman to be throwing in tons of new plot threads everywhere only to burn through them so fast that nothing has any weight or substance. I did not expect the nonsensical bullshit that was Scorponok's big plan, which doesn't hold up to any amount of scrutiny as we've seen on this forum.

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Remember how it felt to pick up TF #80 and see "#80 IN A FOUR ISSUE LIMITED SERIES" on the cover?
And then how it felt to read Furman's last-page wrapup? "There's a slim chance TF Comics may return, but probably not."

You don't?
Then Regen One isn't for you.
I do remember those things. Regen One is supposed to be for me. Which is why I'm really crushed that it's terrible.

I'm not a "hater", I'm a fan that's sad to see the Marvel G1 run capped off with this sloppy mess.
Scaleface
So this is a prequel to the sequel to G1?
powermonkey
I was excited when ReGeneration One was announced, but since then it's been a huge disappointment compared to the work on the other IDW books. ReGen just feels old... and this is coming from someone who remembers putting the original G1 Optimus Prime on layaway at Sears with my allowance money.

I still think James Roberts' Eugenesis novel is the best work to come out of the Marvel TF comics continuity, albeit unofficially (being self-published) and heavily modified post-TF #81 by the TFUK community back in the day. That said, it's no surprise that the best TF book on the market right now (IMO) is MTMTE, written and drawn by TFUK alumni. I'm surprised IDW hasn't considered bringing that to the comics-realm. Or maybe they are... IDK.
Kickback
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Originally Posted by Burningsirius View Post
Don't expect this to be front paged. Know this, the vast majority of us love Regeneration One. TFW 2005 hates Regeneration One with a passion. I was removed from a discussion because I disagreed with the consensus.
Pretty sure you were removed for flinging personal insults at those who disagreed with you.

No one hates this series. But the people on this forum, more than any other forum, appreciate GOOD stories, GOOD plots, stuff that brings you in and keeps you hanging.

I was super excited for this series when it was announced. This is where Furman really shined his brightest, where he became a staple in Transformers mythos.

But instead all we've gotten is story rehashes from books he was pulled from, predictable outcomes to substandard plot lines, and honestly a feeling like the book was Furman's chance to finish his other IDW and UK stories he never got to finish because his books tanked.

Scorponok is brain washing the Autobots to create a new evolution?!
Maximum Dinobots.

Thunderwing is somehow being used to create weapons?!
Dead Universe.

Galvatron vs Ultra Magnus?!
UK Time Wars.

Optimus Prime doubts himself?!
Furman's entire Marvel US run.

Rook and Jhiaxus are here?!
G2.

There is nothing new here. Nothing to keep me on the edge of my seat. Nothing that makes me go "I will remember this for a long time!"

With a great book like MTMTE which is destroying boundaries and cliches that we've been used to in the Transformers universe for the last 30 years, it's difficult to try and enjoy something that's supposed to give a "proper ending" to a beloved series but instead reads like 50 issues of plots and stories shoved in to 20, with NONE of them truly being a continuation from the original book, as they are all "new".
Burningsirius
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Originally Posted by Kickback View Post
Pretty sure you were removed for flinging personal insults at those who disagreed with you.

No one hates this series. But the people on this forum, more than any other forum, appreciate GOOD stories, GOOD plots, stuff that brings you in and keeps you hanging.

I was super excited for this series when it was announced. This is where Furman really shined his brightest, where he became a staple in Transformers mythos.

But instead all we've gotten is story rehashes from books he was pulled from, predictable outcomes to substandard plot lines, and honestly a feeling like the book was Furman's chance to finish his other IDW and UK stories he never got to finish because his books tanked.

Scorponok is brain washing the Autobots to create a new evolution?!
Maximum Dinobots.

Thunderwing is somehow being used to create weapons?!
Dead Universe.

Galvatron vs Ultra Magnus?!
UK Time Wars.

Optimus Prime doubts himself?!
Furman's entire Marvel US run.

Rook and Jhiaxus are here?!
G2.

There is nothing new here. Nothing to keep me on the edge of my seat. Nothing that makes me go "I will remember this for a long time!"

With a great book like MTMTE which is destroying boundaries and cliches that we've been used to in the Transformers universe for the last 30 years, it's difficult to try and enjoy something that's supposed to give a "proper ending" to a beloved series but instead reads like 50 issues of plots and stories shoved in to 20, with NONE of them truly being a continuation from the original book, as they are all "new".
a) no insults were given, you also all gave your grinds against the book and its readership, I did the same out of fun thinking this was a forum to do that in and the author. Others have also complained about it not just me on various other sites so I wasn't an isolated incident (I just thought you were having a bad day).

b) your crews insults have gotten onto Furman's blog personally insulting him and he didn't ban them and let the statements stand. So, there you go. A friend and I wrote to him about how he is such a stand up guy.


Yet Thunderwing was already a super weapon (read his battle with Unicron) if you read the original comics and the only way the Matrix could of been retrieved (because it was lost in the fight with Unicron) Furman already said Jiaxus was going to be in the story from the get go so I don't know why you all decided to jump on him when he finally introduced him. The rallying cry of Maximum Dinobots is getting old even you admitted so (so no insult given). Scorpinok and Grimlock's dynamic is different than before (a Faustian bargain vs a straight up rivalry). Ultra Magnus vs Galvatron happens all the time. I personally love it. I will remember Regeneration One. It is a great send off for that universe compared to all the beloved fanfiction (club comics and so on) that have been written as book ends.

I love it. Everyone here has no clue what a good comic is. They say that Regeneration One is a decompressed narrative and MTMTE is a compressed narrative when it is the opposite. MTMTE is super decompressed (their exploits on the pleasure planet proves that). I am really thinking that Mike Costa is right and its not sour grapes he has with the tf community. Also, Scorpinok could be dead and Grimlock alive and it was just the frame of the story which the fate/purpose of Cybertron hinges on. You are also banning Furman from using two of his signature characters.

It sells out everywhere here. The first trade of MTMTE is still in multiple comic book store but the trades for Regeneration One are out of print.

MTMTE is called a fanwank for a reason I suppose. It does nothing new. Its just a broventure. I bet you like Michael Bay because he broke stereotypes and gave us 'fresh' Transformers.

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not sure about the majority. If most posts are any indication... and sales for that matter. I'm thinking the Regeneration is seen as more a failed idea and one that is not pleasing many.

Or as a podcaster succinctly put it "it's the story many asked for and nobody wanted"
Statistically its a dead heat between the three books (with RID being last for various months). Also, many people consider MTMTE a fanfic so it cuts both ways if you want to blindly insult comics.
Bumblethumper
Pretty cool. I'd like it if he does his own colours as well. I enjoyed the story Geoff did for Titan's movieverse comic, but the colour sample he did for those pages looked so much better than the published work.

Hope Simon can get a few pages from my personal favourite Dan Reed.
Valkysas
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everyone here has no clue what a good comic is.
Are you serious?

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Also, many people consider MTMTE a fanfic.
What
Mechafire
>MTMTE
>does nothing new

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah okay, whatever you say guy.
perceptor_mc
I didn't realise Kickback had the power to ban simon using any characters
JoeHavok
Was a subscriber to the original Marvel Run, and I buy both cover A, and B of Regeneration 1. If it continued I would still buy it. Love me some G1!
DangerousBacon
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Originally Posted by Burningsirius View Post
a) no insults were given, you also all gave your grinds against the book and its readership, I did the same out of fun thinking this was a forum to do that in and the author. Others have also complained about it not just me on various other sites so I wasn't an isolated incident (I just thought you were having a bad day).

b) your crews insults have gotten onto Furman's blog personally insulting him and he didn't ban them and let the statements stand. So, there you go. A friend and I wrote to him about how he is such a stand up guy.


Yet Thunderwing was already a super weapon (read his battle with Unicron) if you read the original comics and the only way the Matrix could of been retrieved (because it was lost in the fight with Unicron) Furman already said Jiaxus was going to be in the story from the get go so I don't know why you all decided to jump on him when he finally introduced him. The rallying cry of Maximum Dinobots is getting old even you admitted so (so no insult given). Scorpinok and Grimlock's dynamic is different than before (a Faustian bargain vs a straight up rivalry). Ultra Magnus vs Galvatron happens all the time. I personally love it. I will remember Regeneration One. It is a great send off for that universe compared to all the beloved fanfiction (club comics and so on) that have been written as book ends.

I love it. Everyone here has no clue what a good comic is. They say that Regeneration One is a decompressed narrative and MTMTE is a compressed narrative when it is the opposite. MTMTE is super decompressed (their exploits on the pleasure planet proves that). I am really thinking that Mike Costa is right and its not sour grapes he has with the tf community. Also, Scorpinok could be dead and Grimlock alive and it was just the frame of the story which the fate/purpose of Cybertron hinges on. You are also banning Furman from using two of his signature characters.

It sells out everywhere here. The first trade of MTMTE is still in multiple comic book store but the trades for Regeneration One are out of print.

MTMTE is called a fanwank for a reason I suppose. It does nothing new. Its just a broventure. I bet you like Michael Bay because he broke stereotypes and gave us 'fresh' Transformers.



Statistically its a dead heat between the three books (with RID being last for various months). Also, many people consider MTMTE a fanfic so it cuts both ways if you want to blindly insult comics.

Are you really going to insult people for liking MTMTE because they insulted you liking Regeneration One? Doesn't seem like a good way to take the moral high ground.

You're entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else on the board. But I would take umbrage with the idea that MTMTE is nothing but a glorified fanfic (a claim which could be levelled at any comic book ever written when you think about it.)

Roberts has taken a host of characters that have either never been used before or left to stand on the sidelines and made them fan favourites, most notably Swerve, Whirl and Tailgate. Furman has pretty much stuck with the same old characters and left everyone else with the absolute bare minimum of personality and dialogue.

Speaking of dialogue, Regeneration One's main weakness comes to the fore anytime a character opens his mouth. It's, to be blunt, terrible, with stiff and unnatural conversations loaded with the sort of stupid puns that Furman seems to be obsessed with. Good dialogue flows off the tongue and brings a reader into the story. This played a large role in me dumping the series, as did that stupid Gene Key (which is shaped like an actual key for added narm) storyline.

MTMTE and RiD have gone a long way towards portraying the Great War as an actual war, with the idea of good and evil being completely relative depending on where you stand and allegiance being a choice rather than a birthright. The whole Gene Key concept is a massive insult to the intelligence of the readership, reducing what should be a complex issue to the sort of "goodies and baddies" mentality that a five year old would find embarrassing.

I was pretty excited when Regeneration One was announced. A few issues later and all I was left with was the feeling that Furman probably should have stopped writing Transformers fiction some time ago.
Burningsirius
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Originally Posted by DangerousBacon View Post
Are you really going to insult people for liking MTMTE because they insulted you liking Regeneration One? Doesn't seem like a good way to take the moral high ground.

You're entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else on the board. But I would take umbrage with the idea that MTMTE is nothing but a glorified fanfic (a claim which could be levelled at any comic book ever written when you think about it.)

Roberts has taken a host of characters that have either never been used before or left to stand on the sidelines and made them fan favourites, most notably Swerve, Whirl and Tailgate. Furman has pretty much stuck with the same old characters and left everyone else with the absolute bare minimum of personality and dialogue.

Speaking of dialogue, Regeneration One's main weakness comes to the fore anytime a character opens his mouth. It's, to be blunt, terrible, with stiff and unnatural conversations loaded with the sort of stupid puns that Furman seems to be obsessed with. Good dialogue flows off the tongue and brings a reader into the story. This played a large role in me dumping the series, as did that stupid Gene Key (which is shaped like an actual key for added narm) storyline.

MTMTE and RiD have gone a long way towards portraying the Great War as an actual war, with the idea of good and evil being completely relative depending on where you stand and allegiance being a choice rather than a birthright. The whole Gene Key concept is a massive insult to the intelligence of the readership, reducing what should be a complex issue to the sort of "goodies and baddies" mentality that a five year old would find embarrassing.

I was pretty excited when Regeneration One was announced. A few issues later and all I was left with was the feeling that Furman probably should have stopped writing Transformers fiction some time ago.
For one, I like MTMTE. I just don't put it on a pedestal. I like the Magnus subplot along with a few others. I do like that the Moonquest arc is going well. It is explaining lots of background material.

That being said, Eugenesis is a fanfic novel where Soundwave gives birth to Quintessons which is gross. Again, I don't want to go down the road that that last issue I had with Kickback again so I am going to bow out and say peace be with you because I don't want to get into an ugly fight. I did my job (its on the front page now) and so my complaints are now gone. I do wish everyone a very nice day, sincerely I do. Sorry for any offense given.
DumpsterJ
I like regeneration one so far. I look forward to all the comics
jestermon
Man I wonder why they even try to make anything for the fandom now all people do is complain.
Obsidian X
Sad to say I havn't been feeling ReGen1 that much, but Geoff Senior is my all time favourite Transformers artist so this makes me really happy! Wish it was a whole issue instead of 5 pages but I take what I can.
dirtweed
Wow, I didn't realize, nor to I understand all the Furman hate going around. Being an old school collector I can say with out a dough that Furman is by far the best TF comic book writer EVER! With out him I dough the TFS would still be around. G2 is by far the best series EVER and with out that I know I would not be a TF collector today. I have tried so many times to read books from other authors and I can never finish them and I have gotten to the point where if it's not written by Furman I don't even bother. If you were to ask me I'd say Furman should have at least 3 books going at the same time and he should have written ever script for the movies. I pray for a generation 2.5 or something to be done. Furman is the godfather of TFS and people should show a little more respect.
lazerface
When is this issue #0 being released?

I think it is kind of weird that they don't just give it a regular issue number... I guess they are dead set on ending at 100 issues. Maybe this is a way to keep it "separate" from the other issues drawn by Wildman?

I'm definitely looking forward to some Geoff Senior bots. I always have trouble deciding if I like Senior or Wildman art better... They are both great in their own ways. I've bought all the Geoff Senior RI covers so far.
Valkysas
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Wow, I didn't realize, nor to I understand all the Furman hate going around. Being an old school collector I can say with out a dough that Furman is by far the best TF comic book writer EVER! With out him I dough the TFS would still be around. G2 is by far the best series EVER and with out that I know I would not be a TF collector today. I have tried so many times to read books from other authors and I can never finish them and I have gotten to the point where if it's not written by Furman I don't even bother. If you were to ask me I'd say Furman should have at least 3 books going at the same time and he should have written ever script for the movies. I pray for a generation 2.5 or something to be done. Furman is the godfather of TFS and people should show a little more respect.
I respect Simon Furman plenty, but that's not enough to overlook all the problems with his writing.
StarFire_MK2
Geoff Senior? I love G1, but that makes this an easy pass.
Josh
geoff seniorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!

<3
Bumblethumper
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Geoff Senior? I love G1, but that makes this an easy pass.
yeah, for 5 pages, amongst other artists. You're entitled to your own preferences, but you might be chucking the baby with the bathwater.
StarFire_MK2
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yeah, for 5 pages, amongst other artists. You're entitled to your own preferences, but you might be chucking the baby with the bathwater.
Possibly true, but he was my least favorite artist of the whole Marvel run. I was saddened they brough him back for #75, and glad to see him go. No need for me to reward the current franchise owners for bringing him back.
Hot Shot.
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Galvatron vs Ultra Magnus?!
UK Time Wars.

Optimus Prime doubts himself?!
Furman's entire Marvel US run.
To be fair, these ideas make sense in being continued since this is the same continuity with the same characters(except with a different Galvatron).

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Rook and Jhiaxus are here?!
G2.
I'm behind an issue, but I imagine the same applies in a "What if...? " sort of way.
Burningsirius
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Originally Posted by dirtweed View Post
Wow, I didn't realize, nor to I understand all the Furman hate going around. Being an old school collector I can say with out a dough that Furman is by far the best TF comic book writer EVER! With out him I dough the TFS would still be around. G2 is by far the best series EVER and with out that I know I would not be a TF collector today. I have tried so many times to read books from other authors and I can never finish them and I have gotten to the point where if it's not written by Furman I don't even bother. If you were to ask me I'd say Furman should have at least 3 books going at the same time and he should have written ever script for the movies. I pray for a generation 2.5 or something to be done. Furman is the godfather of TFS and people should show a little more respect.
I really like that he doesn't give us a bunch of expositionary dialog letting the panels tell the stories rather than beating us with 10 pages of text. Of course the book that does that MTMTE is rather well written for all of its exposition and it fits with the narrative theme so its a good series.

Furman is from a different time. I compare Furman to Yoshiyuki Tomino in many regards. Both like to kill off lots of side characters, both don't give exposition allowing the reader to infer from panels/animation. Problem is the threads on TFW about it go hate train pretty fast. I still lurk from time to time because I am curious and I know that these people read tvtropes because half the stuff they say is copy/pasted from there. The whole junk about Regen One being a decompressed story is bull. It is a classic 80s compressed narrative with a few new things thrown in. MTMTE is a modern decompressed narrative that is supposed to be a character driven story rather than plot driven and that is why the plot is moving at a glacial pace but lots of things happen in it so its entertaining.

I basically quoted Costa when I said that the tf community doesn't know good comics given their relative exposure to them (hint its tf only) we are our own world in that regard. I read a lot of comics so it is w/es on that one there can be exceptions.

People are wanting more 'minor characters' to get spotlight. Since when did Marvel do that? Why should Marvel shift in that direction logically? It can't and it won't. You all want Regeneration One to be Marvel MTMTE with lots of expositionary dialog that again would be jarring if read from issue 80 to 80.5-81. Such a shift in writing style would undermine the entire book's purpose which is to replicate the old tf style of story telling. Guess what, it was horribly cheesy back then and it is now. People with nostalgia goggles should take them off and declare the entire Marvel run garbage if they cannot get into Regeneration One or at least understand why the story is being told like this. Someone said: I respect Furman but I hate his writing. That is having your cake and eating it too. Similarly, hating the writing style of Regeneration One and liking Marvel UK is having your cake and eating it too. You could argue well its not his best work but I am a Furman fan, and that is legit. But to totally say this book is garbage is exactly having your cake and eating it too.

I like that people on this thread spat on Furmans IDW work saying he was canceled and such. Who created IDW Magnus? Who created the seeds of all the plot points being addressed? I mean the reason why he was canned was so he would work on the less than stellar movie comics hoping lending his name to them would make them sell. He did the Revenge of the Fallen comics btw. People are still mad that he was canned. I know I am. Luckily James Roberts and John Barber consult with him on the IDWverse allowing them to get a sense of what was intended. It looks like RiD has out right stated something that Furman hinted at (on a panel, what did I say about him telling stories through the panels) of Kup encountering a synthetic energon type (something fans speculated because they know how Furman rolls... wait that Nick Roche another person heavily influenced by Furman). In the end both compressed and decompressed narratives are great if executed well. I think that all three IDW offerings are great. They are statistically tied in sales (varying by a few hundred and hovering around the 100 mark because lol super star artist has damaged the Transformers comic brand).

I think its dishonest to say that this is garbage. It is also dishonest to read a comic you have no intention of liking other than griping about it. Drop it, move on. Consider whatever fanfic or conclusion to the Marvel series as canon and be done with it. My experience is that people are loving all 3 and especially Regeneration One is selling out rapidly. I mean no insults btw. I am stating out I feel about some of the more in my opinion outlandish attacks on the series.
strangeguy32000
I like RG1 because it feels a bit more familiar than MTME and its Story goes at a Pace that I can actually keep up with... Kinda. I'm kind of an outsider when it comes to the Transformers Comic Continuity, I've READ the First three IDW Compilations of the Marvel US Books, RG1 #80.5-91 (I still can't believe Its been a year and a month since 80.5 Came out), and MTME #12-16. I may not have read ALL the Transformers Comic Books, but I enjoy RG1 for what it is; a continuation of Generation 1.
Anguirus
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Furman is the godfather of TFS and people should show a little more respect.
I respect the man completely, hell I bought him a beer in person.

I respect him, and myself, enough to speak honestly about my perspective on ReGeneration One.

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b) your crews insults have gotten onto Furman's blog personally insulting him and he didn't ban them and let the statements stand. So, there you go. A friend and I wrote to him about how he is such a stand up guy.
AFAIK no one here is part of any "crew." I don't support the specific comment that there was a kerfluffle over last time and it doesn't make any sense that you'd keep trying to score points off this.

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It is also dishonest to read a comic you have no intention of liking other than griping about it
Nobody doesn't want to like this comic. This is nonsense. What you are seeing is anticipation replaced with frustration.

I wish people would remember that while others' motivations may not make sense to you, they make sense to them. Nobody started buying this series just to publicly shame Simon Furman.
lazerface
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I think that all three IDW offerings are great. They are statistically tied in sales (varying by a few hundred and hovering around the 100 mark because lol super star artist has damaged the Transformers comic brand).
How do you know the three titles are tied in sales? Are there some public sales numbers for comics published somewhere... Like Soundscan for music?

EDIT... LOL, never mind. Google is my friend.
Kickback
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a) no insults were given, you also all gave your grinds against the book and its readership, I did the same out of fun thinking this was a forum to do that in and the author. Others have also complained about it not just me on various other sites so I wasn't an isolated incident (I just thought you were having a bad day).
I don't care about what the other sites say or do. Never have, never will. Not trying to be a dick but if I wanted to know what people said at Seibertron or AllSpark, I'd post at Seibertron and AllSpark. This is my place to post, thus, these are the opinions I discuss with/for/against.

I also never "gave my grinds against the readership", as I am a reader - I have every issue thus far and plan to continue till the book is over. But I've gone from looking forward to the issue to not really giving a damn about the issue either way, and reading it for the sake of reading it - I'm the demographic that comic publishers love ... hate the story, but still buy the book.

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b) your crews insults have gotten onto Furman's blog personally insulting him and he didn't ban them and let the statements stand. So, there you go. A friend and I wrote to him about how he is such a stand up guy.
I don't have a crew. Nor do I have any special "social group" where we plan harassing attacks against people. If people dislike Simon Furman's work then that's their opinion. If they choose to voice their opinions of it on his personal blog, that is their personal choice. Just as it is his choice to post about the comic on his personal blog. You do so and you invite positive and negative feedback.

Kudos for writing to him? He got me and Don Figueroa drunk at BotCon 2008 by continually buying dark English ales and shots. He's a great person, so much fun to talk to and have a drink with. I just think he's lost his touch when it comes to writing Transformers.

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Yet Thunderwing was already a super weapon (read his battle with Unicron)
Marvel: Thunderwing was the new leader of the Decepticons and became obsessed with a tainted Matrix that wanted to experience new feelings like hate, war, darkness, and overall evil. It bonded with him, taking away his sanity and replacing it with the Matrix itself. That very energy is still stored within Thunderwing, which Bludgeon is now using to create big evil machines.

IDW: Thunderwing was a scientist that created the Pretender program as a way to withstand the radiation and environment of Cybertron. Eventually he went all evil and a bunch of Autobots had to stop him. He was retrieved by Jhiaxus and the others from the Dead Universe to act as ... something stupid I can't remember ... but was eventually defeated again.

The parallel that I don't like is the fact that once again, Furman is using Thunderwing as a "means to an end" ... it just reeks of using a story concept for a second time in a different setting.

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Furman already said Jiaxus was going to be in the story from the get go so I don't know why you all decided to jump on him when he finally introduced him.
I don't recall him ever stating as such, just that the events of G2 no longer part of the continuity with maybe a statement of, "Maybe" when it came to Jhiaxus. But it's obvious that Jhiaxus and Rook are only being brought in as fanwank, as those characters are, and in my opinion, should have remained as G2 and G2 only.

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The rallying cry of Maximum Dinobots is getting old even you admitted so (so no insult given). Scorpinok and Grimlock's dynamic is different than before (a Faustian bargain vs a straight up rivalry).
I never admitted it was old. Only that I was tired of using it as an example that people such as yourself refuse to admit to the similarities and grasp to random straws to try and explain how I'm wrong (when I'm not).

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Ultra Magnus vs Galvatron happens all the time.
When? It happened like ... twice in the G1 cartoon and twice in the animated movie. Never in the Marvel G1 comic (which this is a continuation of, NOT Marvel UK). So "all the time" is inaccurate.

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It is a great send off for that universe compared to all the beloved fanfiction (club comics and so on) that have been written as book ends.
I agree with this point - the club comics are often horrible and totally disjointed with no sense of continuity, riddled with self-contradictions and an overall "WE PUT THIS GUY HERE CUZ WE WANTED TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE" tone.

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I love it. Everyone here has no clue what a good comic is. They say that Regeneration One is a decompressed narrative and MTMTE is a compressed narrative when it is the opposite. MTMTE is super decompressed (their exploits on the pleasure planet proves that). I am really thinking that Mike Costa is right and its not sour grapes he has with the tf community. Also, Scorpinok could be dead and Grimlock alive and it was just the frame of the story which the fate/purpose of Cybertron hinges on. You are also banning Furman from using two of his signature characters.
Thanks for the blatant insult pal.

Simon Furman wrote Grimlock very well. That's his Mary Sue character and good for him for getting to write the version that defined him as a writer. However this is NOT the Scorponok he created, this is a rehash of the Maximum Dinobots Scorponok. The Scorponok that everyone fell in love with was the Lord Zarak version, who constantly fought his humanity and ultimately succumbed to it, which made the character that much more likable and his death that much more meaningful.

Which was totally pissed away because "LOLZ I HAVE A SECOND HEAD YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT".

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MTMTE is called a fanwank for a reason I suppose. It does nothing new. Its just a broventure. I bet you like Michael Bay because he broke stereotypes and gave us 'fresh' Transformers.
You make interesting points that are deluded with blatant hatred at those who disagree with you. MTMTE has made not just me, but many, MANY Transformers comic readers, feel for characters and actually have emotional reactions to what happens to them because of how they're written. We bond with them, we feel like we're a part of the Lost Light crew, and when there's loss, we feel it. Every character is written different. You can actually tell who is saying what even without the image in front of you. I'm sorry that you can't have that same experience that I do.

But truth be told, a majority of the fans that I saw speak wanted IDW to lose the license with how Mike Costa and Andy Schmidt were taking Transformers. Roberts, in my honest opinion, single-handedly saved IDW from the wrath of the fans and they have now what they haven't had in a long time - a loyal, dedicated, GUARANTEED reader-base.

That's a pretty amazing thing to accomplish.

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Statistically its a dead heat between the three books (with RID being last for various months). Also, many people consider MTMTE a fanfic so it cuts both ways if you want to blindly insult comics.
I didn't insult comics. I just don't like what Simon Furman has done with ReGeneration One and I think he's proven to me once again that he's lost the ability to write GOOD Transformers stories. Obviously IDW Publishing feels the same, hence why this his first (and probably only) gig since they let Mike Costa take over with All Hail Megatron.
Hot Shot.
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b) your crews insults have gotten onto Furman's blog personally insulting him and he didn't ban them and let the statements stand.
Because people who don't like a comic band together and plot retaliation...

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MTMTE is called a fanwank for a reason I suppose.
By you and probably no one else.

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Also, many people consider MTMTE a fanfic
Nope, just you.

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I am really thinking that Mike Costa is right and its not sour grapes he has with the tf community.
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I basically quoted Costa when I said that the tf community doesn't know good comics given their relative exposure to them (hint its tf only) we are our own world in that regard. I read a lot of comics so it is w/es on that one there can be exceptions.
Agreeing with Mike Costa is not something to brag about. That man wrote paper defecation and admitted he couldn't associate with our living robots.

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People are wanting more 'minor characters' to get spotlight. Since when did Marvel do that?
-Bludgeon
-Thunderwing
-Skullgrin
-Roadhandler
-Carnivac
-Nightbeat
-Death's Head

To name a few.
Josh
BUT GUYS GEOFF SENIOR!!!!!

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I don't care about what the other sites say or do. Never have, never will. Not trying to be a dick but if I wanted to know what people said at Seibertron or AllSpark, I'd post at Seibertron and AllSpark. This is my place to post, thus, these are the opinions I discuss with/for/against.
Seibertron is better because they don't make you feel unwelcomed.

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I also never "gave my grinds against the readership", as I am a reader - I have every issue thus far and plan to continue till the book is over. But I've gone from looking forward to the issue to not really giving a damn about the issue either way, and reading it for the sake of reading it - I'm the demographic that comic publishers love ... hate the story, but still buy the book.
You were totally like 'Why is anyone buying this?' Subtle barb.

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I don't have a crew. Nor do I have any special "social group" where we plan harassing attacks against people. If people dislike Simon Furman's work then that's their opinion. If they choose to voice their opinions of it on his personal blog, that is their personal choice. Just as it is his choice to post about the comic on his personal blog. You do so and you invite positive and negative feedback.
Yeah constructive criticism is far better than telling him that he is a hack.


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Kudos for writing to him? He got me and Don Figueroa drunk at BotCon 2008 by continually buying dark English ales and shots. He's a great person, so much fun to talk to and have a drink with. I just think he's lost his touch when it comes to writing Transformers.
You told me this before. It is cool that you had some bro moments with him. If you don't like the book don't comment on it out of respect to him and allow others to form their opinions if you were such bros with him. I know if I had that kind of connection with someone I wouldn't go spouting off like this.

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Marvel: Thunderwing was the new leader of the Decepticons and became obsessed with a tainted Matrix that wanted to experience new feelings like hate, war, darkness, and overall evil. It bonded with him, taking away his sanity and replacing it with the Matrix itself. That very energy is still stored within Thunderwing, which Bludgeon is now using to create big evil machines.
Right, which is why he came back in IDW as a doomsday engine. Now he is back and its a case of cross referencing that he is back. How else do we revive the Matrix? It was lost against Unicron and one of (many) plot holes in G2.

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IDW: Thunderwing was a scientist that created the Pretender program as a way to withstand the radiation and environment of Cybertron. Eventually he went all evil and a bunch of Autobots had to stop him. He was retrieved by Jhiaxus and the others from the Dead Universe to act as ... something stupid I can't remember ... but was eventually defeated again.
Guardian of the portal to the dead universe. Revelation isn't that great due to its truncated nature. Still the story is sound.

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The parallel that I don't like is the fact that once again, Furman is using Thunderwing as a "means to an end" ... it just reeks of using a story concept for a second time in a different setting.
I guess, but how else was the Matrix to be revived? Do you want gaping plot holes ala G2 again? I think that one of the goals of this comic is to tell the story he wants to write. This means tying up... loose ends (bad joke).

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I don't recall him ever stating as such, just that the events of G2 no longer part of the continuity with maybe a statement of, "Maybe" when it came to Jhiaxus. But it's obvious that Jhiaxus and Rook are only being brought in as fanwank, as those characters are, and in my opinion, should have remained as G2 and G2 only.
He specifically said that several people would be returning Jiaxus one of them. It also doesn't have UK and G2 stuff but wants to bring it into the proper canon I suppose. We see the Hub for the first time in the series so Legio Maximo might show up.

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I never admitted it was old. Only that I was tired of using it as an example that people such as yourself refuse to admit to the similarities and grasp to random straws to try and explain how I'm wrong (when I'm not).
Grasp at straws? The two stories only share Scorpinok and Grimlock. The dynamic is totally different. Scorpinok is losing control thinking he is smarter than what he really is as Grimlock is his foil. Maximum Dinobots plot is as follows tf wiki summary

Scorponok manipulates Grimlock and the Dynobots to cause chaos in Fallon, Nevada so that he can send in his Headmasters in to save the day. He hopes this would give his company the government contracts to protect against extraterrestrial attacks, and eventually worm his way into the secret levels of society, thus allowing him to take control of Earth.

Hot Rod tracks him down and he is beaten to a pulp for his efforts. Sunstreaker and Hunter are also after the Machination to recover Sunstreaker's real head, which would also stop the Headmaster army. Scorponok gives the Dynobots too much mental control and they recover their personalities, but the group is overwhelmed by the Headmaster army until help arrives from the Monsterbots, whom Grimlock contacted earlier.

Skywatch activates Shockwave and, using a bomb implanted in his head, coerces him to hunt down the renegade Transformers. Shockwave doublecrosses them however, tracks down Soundwave and makes a deal to free them both from their respective "prisons". The Dynobots, badly injured, have the Monsterbots take them to Scorponok's base, where a prideful Grimlock leads an attack on the Sunstreaker clones. Sunstreaker himself meets up with Hot Rod, and breaks in, searching for his head. Scorponok damages his new body, but Hunter escapes, and seemingly sacrifices Sunstreaker to deactivate the clones. The Dynobots are attacked by both Shockwave and Scorponok. Sludge is deactivated

Grimlock is overcome with grief, and orders the other Dynobots to pull out without him. As he tries to revive Sludge, Scorponok and Shockwave battle. Shockwave emerges the victor and allows Scorponok to escape. An enraged Grimlock attacks Shockwave. Sludge revives and the Dynobots return. Grimlock sends them after Scorponok. They meet up with Hot Rod and disable Scorponok. Shockwave is freed from Skywatch's control by Soundwave, who is in turn released from his transformation lock. Shockwave attempts to abandon the battle, but Grimlock disables both himself and Shockwave with a grenade. Ultra Magnus arrives on the scene, taking Grimlock and the Decepticons into custody. Sunstreaker survives, and Hunter is separated from him by Ratchet. Verity and Jimmy are revealed to be alive and well. The Dynobots repair their ship and Grimlock makes a deal for their continued freedom.

Where is Shockwave? Where is Earth? Where is the person who comes down and snaps Grimlock out of it? Where is the Dinobot brainwashing? Gene Key shenanigans aside (something addressed pre 80), there was nothing in the plot that is Maximum Dinobots. People can judge for themselves.
Something from issue 76 in the Marvel comic:

Scorponok identifies the difference between Autobot and Decepticon as a genetic one, an idea that was previously put forward by Grimlock himself in issue #76; the Generation 2 comic would ultimately reveal that the genetic difference led all the way back to the Liege Maximo.

I am not grasping at straws. Natural Selection is nothing like Maximum Dinobots
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When? It happened like ... twice in the G1 cartoon and twice in the animated movie. Never in the Marvel G1 comic (which this is a continuation of, NOT Marvel UK). So "all the time" is inaccurate.
Headmasters as well.

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I agree with this point - the club comics are often horrible and totally disjointed with no sense of continuity, riddled with self-contradictions and an overall "WE PUT THIS GUY HERE CUZ WE WANTED TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE" tone.
Glad we agree on something. I am sure we would also agree on Akibranger is good as well.

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Thanks for the blatant insult pal.
None intended. Should of said its like to soften it up as something to help correct people on what a compressed and decompressed narrative is. No insult meant, sorry, I will try to write in less offensive terms.

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Simon Furman wrote Grimlock very well. That's his Mary Sue character and good for him for getting to write the version that defined him as a writer. However this is NOT the Scorponok he created, this is a rehash of the Maximum Dinobots Scorponok. The Scorponok that everyone fell in love with was the Lord Zarak version, who constantly fought his humanity and ultimately succumbed to it, which made the character that much more likable and his death that much more meaningful.

Which was totally pissed away because "LOLZ I HAVE A SECOND HEAD YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT".
Except that many people always wondered what happened to the original heads from the Headmaster series. There have been people admitting in their fanfiction that they used that loose end to help with their stories. Sorry that doesn't cut it.

Grimlock isn't a self insert character which is what a Mary Sue is. Grimlock fails ALOT. To hate Furman's Grimlock like this is to hate the very essence of Grimlock (and all his knock offs like Dinobot).

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You make interesting points that are deluded with blatant hatred at those who disagree with you. MTMTE has made not just me, but many, MANY Transformers comic readers, feel for characters and actually have emotional reactions to what happens to them because of how they're written. We bond with them, we feel like we're a part of the Lost Light crew, and when there's loss, we feel it. Every character is written different. You can actually tell who is saying what even without the image in front of you. I'm sorry that you can't have that same experience that I do.
I like MTMTE for what it is. It gives spotlights on characters not to often seen. If that is your cup of tea, be my guest. I do like it because of that, but it can never be the thrust of a narrative because of just the enormity of the cast and what it does. This is why we are getting Purple Reign, but by your logic since Barber is writing it, that means IDW is canning Roberts like they did with Furman. (of course this is furthest from the truth related to the quote below)

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But truth be told, a majority of the fans that I saw speak wanted IDW to lose the license with how Mike Costa and Andy Schmidt were taking Transformers. Roberts, in my honest opinion, single-handedly saved IDW from the wrath of the fans and they have now what they haven't had in a long time - a loyal, dedicated, GUARANTEED reader-base.

That's a pretty amazing thing to accomplish.
Tf fans are pretty petty.

Majorities doesn't mean they are right. I side with Costa. Its an unpopular opinion. Giant robots fighting a forever war should be alien. Transformers fans are fickle. They will turn on Roberts in due time. Costa's run was great and I can't wait to see Spike again.

Transformers fans can never decide on what they want. I really chafe at the fandom sometimes because many request (like the club comics) are contradictory and full of exaggerated expectations/nostalgia (yes even for Beast Wars). I just want a solid narrative. Furman is delivering. So is Barber (who's story is way better than Robert's is) and Robert's (who's story is meant to be a fun side quest with ramifications).

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I didn't insult comics. I just don't like what Simon Furman has done with ReGeneration One and I think he's proven to me once again that he's lost the ability to write GOOD Transformers stories. Obviously IDW Publishing feels the same, hence why this his first (and probably only) gig since they let Mike Costa take over with All Hail Megatron.
You mean Andy McCarthy and there is a huge meme about Devastation doing BETTER than All Hail Megatron #1. I mean, I don't make this stuff up. You can go check. This is a pretty legendary picture.

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-Bludgeon
-Thunderwing
-Skullgrin
-Roadhandler
-Carnivac
-Nightbeat
-Death's Head

To name a few.
Well, I am glad the guy who wrote those is still writing Transformers.

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AFAIK no one here is part of any "crew." I don't support the specific comment that there was a kerfluffle over last time and it doesn't make any sense that you'd keep trying to score points off this.
I wasn't 'points scoring'. I was comparing how the rhetoric (using the same language of 'spinning its wheels' and such) here reflected what that Sean guy said and how everyone takes it on TFW (at least me) as being very demeaning and ultra insulting to those who are enjoying the book (because of just how vehement the hatred is). I couldn't tell the difference between Sean's comments and some of the comments (many are fans and they are my bros) on TFW2005. That said I was using that as a reflection on how mean things can get here. I was sucked up into the negativity previously (for which I am banned from a discussion). I refuse to do so again or go through that again. Nothing more. You guys are not at least telling him he is a horrible person for writing the worst IDW offering of the three to his face.

Its now on your news. It wouldn't of been if I didn't say anything. OP's post had no posts for a good long while because I wanted to see if any other artists were announced or if anyone else had any info (sometimes there is a nugget in the comments) but no comments were there even after I woke up. So, I withdraw my complaint and commend TFW for being a fair site with lots of good info. I was wrong.
Chris McFeely
*cries into hands*
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BUT GUYS GEOFF SENIOR!!!!!

sorry never could get into his stuff
darkwingduck13
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a) no insults were given, you also all gave your grinds against the book and its readership, I did the same out of fun thinking this was a forum to do that in and the author. Others have also complained about it not just me on various other sites so I wasn't an isolated incident (I just thought you were having a bad day).

b) your crews insults have gotten onto Furman's blog personally insulting him and he didn't ban them and let the statements stand. So, there you go. A friend and I wrote to him about how he is such a stand up guy.


Yet Thunderwing was already a super weapon (read his battle with Unicron) if you read the original comics and the only way the Matrix could of been retrieved (because it was lost in the fight with Unicron) Furman already said Jiaxus was going to be in the story from the get go so I don't know why you all decided to jump on him when he finally introduced him. The rallying cry of Maximum Dinobots is getting old even you admitted so (so no insult given). Scorpinok and Grimlock's dynamic is different than before (a Faustian bargain vs a straight up rivalry). Ultra Magnus vs Galvatron happens all the time. I personally love it. I will remember Regeneration One. It is a great send off for that universe compared to all the beloved fanfiction (club comics and so on) that have been written as book ends.

I love it. Everyone here has no clue what a good comic is. They say that Regeneration One is a decompressed narrative and MTMTE is a compressed narrative when it is the opposite. MTMTE is super decompressed (their exploits on the pleasure planet proves that). I am really thinking that Mike Costa is right and its not sour grapes he has with the tf community. Also, Scorpinok could be dead and Grimlock alive and it was just the frame of the story which the fate/purpose of Cybertron hinges on. You are also banning Furman from using two of his signature characters.

It sells out everywhere here. The first trade of MTMTE is still in multiple comic book store but the trades for Regeneration One are out of print.

MTMTE is called a fanwank for a reason I suppose. It does nothing new. Its just a broventure. I bet you like Michael Bay because he broke stereotypes and gave us 'fresh' Transformers.



Statistically its a dead heat between the three books (with RID being last for various months). Also, many people consider MTMTE a fanfic so it cuts both ways if you want to blindly insult comics.
Don't bother trying to reason with him, man. I've already been down that route in the past, and it just doesn't work.

That said, Regeneration One is the only comic I still buy in floppy format. Not the only TF comic, but literally the only comic period after having been hardcore into the hobby since I was old enough to read. I finally got fed up with all the relaunches/constant BS with the industry when Marvel relaunched Uncanny X-Men a while back, threw up my hands, and dropped all the floppies I was picking up...but I couldn't drop Regeneration One.
gregles
Regeneration1 has been a bit of an epic fail for me but it is pleasing to see that some people are enjoying it passionately, but come now I understand you want to defend your beloved comic but is it not possible to do this without slagging off other comics like mtmte and instigating a long winded nerd fight?

I think it is nice that firman has been given another chance to get his mojo back and rekindle some of that marvel UK run magic. I honestly wasn't expecting reg1 to be so bad as I thought his early idw run was really well wrote, thought out and a good balance of sci-fi and grounded human perspective.

If I could personally give some advice to simon on what he could do differently with this regeneration0 which would please me it would be to have some more light hearted fun moments to counter balance all the serious depressing stories he is writing
Twintwist8
I've really been enjoying Regeneration. I had no idea of any 'hate'. The only thing I wasn't 'too' happy with was creating a large time gap... they could have EASILY simply left off where it stopped instead of creating a different future, so to speak. The whole Decepticon Gene while a plot device, I do remember something barely touched on in the old G1 comic, but then this ALSO concretes the Beast War show when Megatron changes Rhinox to a Predacon for an episode as well as Tarantulus changing falling Maximals into Predacons as well. And Beast War's history is more in line with the old Marvel Comic than the G1 cartoon. I'm... well... old, and TF Regen is about the ONLY comic I'm really reading right now. Hate to hear they'll be ending it for good by 100. Oh well. It's been a fund story so far. They even came full circle with Megatron and Ratchet's blood-oil deal from like issue... 5? Reading Regen just has me wanting to read the originals again. Now watch me lose THIS username, just like my old JUST because of an opinion... I can only guess. Still not sure what happened to my old username...
emptythreat
Honestly, complaining that Simon's writing hasn't moved on much on a book that is specifically designed to be part of the old school is sort of like being annoyed that the sea is made of water. The story has felt slow in the delivery but I guess in this case we're looking at a 20 issue finite block rather than an ongoing so the pacing will be a bit different. I can understand the frustration though but I can see the threads being pulled together and all of the arcs have been to some extent about the legacy of Primus and the universe's reaction to the loss of chaos, surely there has to be a reckoning. Would have to agree that the anti-RG1 sentiment is particularly aggressive on these boards compared with elsewhere.

I don't entirely agree with the MTMTE praise OR criticism so far. I find it hard to take the book seriously because its like every line is a punchline, a quip, a joke, and that gets really wearing after a while. Every moment is sort of undermined by the total absence of seriousness. Now, to contradict myself a bit, when the story goes in directions where it is a straight up story (with the odd quip) the tales really are incredible. The issues with Overlord and the aftermath have been fantastic.

What I object to and is where I can see the "fan fiction" label applied (wrongly, because hey, it's official) is the number of "new" things thrown in seemingly from nowhere. Empurata, relinquishment clinics, mind readers, innermost energon, etc etc. It's all interesting but the book seems to have spent a lot of time on flashbacks to shoehorn these concepts in to past events. A prime example of where this was used, in my opinion, to pretty weak effect was the Shockwave/senator reveal. So we find out that Senator Shockwave was actually Shockwave! So what? Seriously. He kept the same name. So everyone except the reader already knew. It was never mentioned and never played any role in defining him or how others reacted to him in any previous appearance. How much of what he's done has any relevance to his former status? And it took 2 or 3 issues of padded flashback to get the revelation, and framed as an excuse to get Rung's memories back. The DJD are inventive but ultimately pointless. If they were that powerful and that loyal to Megatron, where were they? What have they been doing? Why didn't they deal with Starscream a few hundred times over? And the Lost Light is so lost that they keep finding outposts full of Cybertronians who all know the war is over but the Lost Light can't send a message home? Also, how many characters are going to be shot in the head as a punchline only to recover again.

One recent bugbear is the death clock. Lie on here and it tells you how long you'll live for?! And Ratchet isn't using this on everyone every day? He didn't think to use it on Tailgate before to know his condition? I can accept a medical scanner in this sort of environment but a timepiece that scans you and tells you the excact number of seconds you have left to live? Why not just have Ratchet tell him after a routine check-up scan that he doesn't have long left? Seems like a contrivance to have a literal ticking clock. And again, if he'd used it a year ago could he not have prevented the deterioration? Not every new idea has to be used just because it was thought of. "Kill your darlings!" (look it up)

There are some wonderful things about MTMTE in writing, and art but I don't understand the somewhat obsessive reaction from some quarters. I like the conversational style but the humour feels forced into too many scenes. Not every character should have a punchline or a pithy wordplay or have a joke about a characters name on most panels, most pages. There are some great stories, some great moments but the frequent shifts to the Decepticons, the flashbacks make it feel schizophrenic and unclear in it's focus at times. The central mysteries started in issues 1 and 2 have been largely forgotten until recently with a lot of the middle being soap operatic and I can understand the complaint about it being decompressed. A lot of dialogue on each page, but very little of it is necessary. It's more of a prose story with pictures than a filmic story with words. There isn't anything wrong with that per se but I'm pleased that there is RID for a more dramatic, more concise tale for balance. If MTMTE were the only book I think I would be very frustrated. Roberts is a very talented writer and shows many moments of genius, but I do tend to favour his co-written work such as DOOP and LSOTW.

So, that all said I do still rate the book highly, but I do find the claims of it being the highpoint of TF grossly over the top. Not sure why there has to be hate/worship as the only 2 outcomes though I guess if you only like something you don't tend to post?
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Pretty sure you were removed for flinging personal insults at those who disagreed with you.

No one hates this series. But the people on this forum, more than any other forum, appreciate GOOD stories, GOOD plots, stuff that brings you in and keeps you hanging.

I was super excited for this series when it was announced. This is where Furman really shined his brightest, where he became a staple in Transformers mythos.

But instead all we've gotten is story rehashes from books he was pulled from, predictable outcomes to substandard plot lines, and honestly a feeling like the book was Furman's chance to finish his other IDW and UK stories he never got to finish because his books tanked.

Scorponok is brain washing the Autobots to create a new evolution?!
Maximum Dinobots.

Thunderwing is somehow being used to create weapons?!
Dead Universe.

Galvatron vs Ultra Magnus?!
UK Time Wars.

Optimus Prime doubts himself?!
Furman's entire Marvel US run.

Rook and Jhiaxus are here?!
G2.

There is nothing new here. Nothing to keep me on the edge of my seat. Nothing that makes me go "I will remember this for a long time!"

With a great book like MTMTE which is destroying boundaries and cliches that we've been used to in the Transformers universe for the last 30 years, it's difficult to try and enjoy something that's supposed to give a "proper ending" to a beloved series but instead reads like 50 issues of plots and stories shoved in to 20, with NONE of them truly being a continuation from the original book, as they are all "new".
Yeah, I'm agreeing with this entire point here.

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Kicker's a very powerful being these days. So powerful IDW gave him complete editing powers. FEAR THE 'BACK!!!

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Are you really going to insult people for liking MTMTE because they insulted you liking Regeneration One? Doesn't seem like a good way to take the moral high ground.

You're entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else on the board. But I would take umbrage with the idea that MTMTE is nothing but a glorified fanfic (a claim which could be levelled at any comic book ever written when you think about it.)

Roberts has taken a host of characters that have either never been used before or left to stand on the sidelines and made them fan favourites, most notably Swerve, Whirl and Tailgate. Furman has pretty much stuck with the same old characters and left everyone else with the absolute bare minimum of personality and dialogue.

Speaking of dialogue, Regeneration One's main weakness comes to the fore anytime a character opens his mouth. It's, to be blunt, terrible, with stiff and unnatural conversations loaded with the sort of stupid puns that Furman seems to be obsessed with. Good dialogue flows off the tongue and brings a reader into the story. This played a large role in me dumping the series, as did that stupid Gene Key (which is shaped like an actual key for added narm) storyline.

MTMTE and RiD have gone a long way towards portraying the Great War as an actual war, with the idea of good and evil being completely relative depending on where you stand and allegiance being a choice rather than a birthright. The whole Gene Key concept is a massive insult to the intelligence of the readership, reducing what should be a complex issue to the sort of "goodies and baddies" mentality that a five year old would find embarrassing.

I was pretty excited when Regeneration One was announced. A few issues later and all I was left with was the feeling that Furman probably should have stopped writing Transformers fiction some time ago.
Absolutely agreed. Who the hell can honestly say they were fans of Tailgate, Swerve, or even Whirl before this series came out? I couldn't really tell you the Headmasters names before this series. Now, this made me interested in these characters and a huge fan of each one. Chromedome has become a favorite, Tailgate, Swerve, Whirl. Cyclonus has more depth now than ever before. It's the better written book.

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Wow, I didn't realize, nor to I understand all the Furman hate going around. Being an old school collector I can say with out a dough that Furman is by far the best TF comic book writer EVER! With out him I dough the TFS would still be around. G2 is by far the best series EVER and with out that I know I would not be a TF collector today. I have tried so many times to read books from other authors and I can never finish them and I have gotten to the point where if it's not written by Furman I don't even bother. If you were to ask me I'd say Furman should have at least 3 books going at the same time and he should have written ever script for the movies. I pray for a generation 2.5 or something to be done. Furman is the godfather of TFS and people should show a little more respect.
I will give you this, without Furman we wouldn't have as much as we do. He brought the brand some of it's best stories and carried the flag long after the fanfare. However, like an all time Quarterback who led his team to greatness, there comes a point where you have to recognize that it's time to step aside. It does not lessen the accomplishments. However, the longer past your prime you go, the more you hurt the team and the brand.

I'm not saying that Furman is hurting the brand. However, he is hurting his legacy. I have sat and watched him dwindle in the eyes of fandom as a writer and in the end that is good for no one. I don't blame him for taking the job (never argue with someone making a paycheck) I just wish he would leave it be and let us have the memories.

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I basically quoted Costa when I said that the tf community doesn't know good comics given their relative exposure to them (hint its tf only) we are our own world in that regard. I read a lot of comics so it is w/es on that one there can be exceptions.
You know what the problem with generalizing a group of people is? When you find out that not everybody is the stereotype you claim them to be. I've been reading comics for 25 years, have a degree in literature (that means I've read many, many non-Transformers related books), and I can tell you this is not a well written book. It's not engaging and regardless of those numbers you insist are equal but can't show, it's the worst book out right now. That is my opinion.

I would suggest to not assume that two transformers fans are the same and take negative feedback with a grain of salt instead of a personal attack.



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People with nostalgia goggles should take them off and declare the entire Marvel run garbage if they cannot get into Regeneration One
Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

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Someone said: I respect Furman but I hate his writing. That is having your cake and eating it too. Similarly, hating the writing style of Regeneration One and liking Marvel UK is having your cake and eating it too. You could argue well its not his best work but I am a Furman fan, and that is legit. But to totally say this book is garbage is exactly having your cake and eating it too.
You know I never understood this phrase. If i have a cake am I not entitled to eat it as well? It's my cake. Why wouldn't I eat my cake? It's cake! Do I hate cake? If so; then why do I have this cake? This colloquialism has never made sense.

Much like you argumen.

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I like that people on this thread spat on Furmans IDW work saying he was canceled and such. Who created IDW Magnus?
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I think its dishonest to say that this is garbage. It is also dishonest to read a comic you have no intention of liking other than griping about it. Drop it, move on. Consider whatever fanfic or conclusion to the Marvel series as canon and be done with it. My experience is that people are loving all 3 and especially Regeneration One is selling out rapidly. I mean no insults btw. I am stating out I feel about some of the more in my opinion outlandish attacks on the series.
It's not dishonest, it's an opinion. An opinion cannot be dishonest because it is not based in fact, merely a subjective point of view. What is dishonest would be somebody saying I mean no insult and then proceed to insult those who disagree with you.

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