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TFW2005 Reviews Robots in Disguise #20

Posted on 08-06-2013 at 07:19 AM by Tim Formas under Comics
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TFW2005's early Transformers comic reviews continue! Today, we review Robots in Disguise #20! Robots in Disguise #20 is out tomorrow - Wednesday, August 7th - from IDW Publishing. Check out the review and a seven-page preview on our Robots in Disguise #20 page of our Comics Resource Section!
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Yggdrasil
I just know that I can't wait for Starscream to switch bodies.

Can't stand his WFC design anymore!

Also Rattrap's intoduction sounds like everything I expected it to be >_>
Newholl
All they do in this comic line is talk, punch each other and occasionally someone gets killed.
HeroicC300
Hopefully the Construction Patrol will prove useful.

I'll be picking this one up when BH and MTMTE come out, so I get all of them at once.
O.Supreme
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Originally Posted by Newholl View Post
All they do in this comic line is talk, punch each other and occasionally someone gets killed.
Same exact thing happens in MTMTE, except at least in RID, you can actually tell who the characters are.
Wadeledge
Here's where we see our Scoop toy!, and Starscream is goig into his Armada body I'm sure. What's interesting is going to be seeing Rattrap's body and if it's toyable...
fryguy81
Yeah, I am intrigued by the idea of Starscream G1 going into an Armada body, how Scoop will be portrayed (did he ever get time in the MArvel comics?), and how RAttrap will play into this notion.


More and more, with the increase use of Beast Wars characters (well... two) I wonder if the NAILs will be the groups that branch out and become MAximals; while Razorclaw claims leadership and establishes the PRedacons as their own faction.
fryguy81
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Originally Posted by Newholl View Post
All they do in this comic line is talk, punch each other and occasionally someone gets killed.
that's the flavor of this book. Political intrigue, fights, and explosions to go along with the backdrop of a renewed Cybertron. What is wrong with that? I'm applauding IDW for giving us two books with two different flavors. I get my character building (because those characters need it), adventure narrative in MTMTE and my Autobots/Decepticon fighting, political drama, action galore stuff from RID.

We've seen Prowl developing (and continuing to develop), along with Starscream coming into his own. 'Screamer is owning this book for him and the use of him has been fantastic. He's in his arena and I'm loving it.

I don't see why people decry it when they have another title to go to. This isn't the only IDW Trans-comic people!!
edgs2099
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Originally Posted by O.Supreme View Post
Same exact thing happens in MTMTE, except at least in RID, you can actually tell who the characters are.
I know right? I mean, who the fuck is in this picture? You can't tell at all who this is. Is it Hound and Laserbeak? Cheetor and Ratchet? Who knows!?

Kraken
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Originally Posted by Newholl View Post
All they do in this comic line is talk, punch each other and occasionally someone gets killed.
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Originally Posted by O.Supreme View Post
Same exact thing happens in MTMTE, except at least in RID, you can actually tell who the characters are.
Have you two actually read any of the comics? Doesn't sound like it. Did you wander into the comic forum by accident?
Sockie
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Originally Posted by Yggdrasil View Post
Also Rattrap's intoduction sounds like everything I expected it to be >_>
It's funny because another review I just read says he's true to his BW self. Different opinions and all...
Tim Formas
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Originally Posted by Sockie View Post
It's funny because another review I just read says he's true to his BW self. Different opinions and all...
True to his BW self in his general behaviors and mannerisms. Not true to BW self in his actions.

More will come out in this thread when the issue is released tomorrow. I don't want to spoil too much for everyone.
O.Supreme
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Originally Posted by edgs2099 View Post
I know right? I mean, who the fuck is in this picture? You can't tell at all who this is. Is it Hound and Laserbeak? Cheetor and Ratchet? Who knows!?
So says the guy with a pic in his sig that says "swerve" next to it, just so people would know...

Oh and btw... I've read every issue of MTMTE, I just dont get all the fanlove for it, I think the art is awful, I know I'm a heretic, whatever... I know I'm in the minority in thinking RiD is a better book, its just my preference thats all. I dont go into MTMTE threads talking crap about it however, so why do people have to talk crap about RiD in a RiD thread?
edgs2099
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Originally Posted by O.Supreme View Post
So says the guy with a pic in his sig that says "swerve" next to it, just so people would know...

Oh and btw... I've read every issue of MTMTE, I just dont get all the fanlove for it, I think the art is awful, I know I'm a heretic, whatever... I know I'm in the minority in thinking RiD is a better book, its just my preference thats all. I dont go into MTMTE threads talking crap about it however, so why do people have to talk crap about RiD in a RiD thread?
Hey, what tastes delicious to someone, can taste like pig shit to another. Take Horchata for example.
Anguirus
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Originally Posted by O.Supreme View Post
I dont go into MTMTE threads talking crap about it however, so why do people have to talk crap about RiD in a RiD thread?
I don't know, but I do know that you're the one who brought up MtMtE in an RiD thread.
QLRformer
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The introduction of a fan-favorite character seems off as well, feeling like his personality deviates more from his previous incarnation than another fan-favorite (Sky-Byte).
That's a bit worrying. Will wait for the release though.

But really, the issue with introducing characters is they may need more time/space, maybe their own Spotlight comic, to settle properly into their universe. For instance, Sky-Byte hasn't really done much so far, apart from team up with Jazz for a musical duet or two; he needs to be more, well, Sky-Byte: more bumbling, eager to please, aquatic - and the narrative as it is (which is doing great btw) can't allow for that.

But the narrative's still ongoing. Maybe there'll be more for each character to do in the future. Right now I want to see how our favourite vermin appears in IDW.
fryguy81
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Originally Posted by Tim Formas View Post
True to his BW self in his general behaviors and mannerisms. Not true to BW self in his actions.

More will come out in this thread when the issue is released tomorrow. I don't want to spoil too much for everyone.
I found Rattrap to be pretty true to his early early BEast Wars character. He's very close to his character in the first few episodes. I can see where the issue is, but I think they found a great direction in which to take Rattrap... and even explain his alt mode.

I'll save the rest for tomorrow, but I wanted to at least comment on Ratters
Digilaut
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Originally Posted by Newholl View Post
All they do in this comic line is talk, punch each other and occasionally someone gets killed.
Yeah, whatever dude. Not only is this not true, if you're going to boil it down to just these three points it practically applies to every work of fiction.

Seriously, I'm not even sure if you're describing RID, or an episode of Star Trek. Or CSI Miami.

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Originally Posted by O.Supreme View Post
Same exact thing happens in MTMTE, except at least in RID, you can actually tell who the characters are.
I don't agree with Newholl's statement at all, but I don't get this rebuttal? Somebody says something negative about RID, which you counter by saying something mean about its comic counterpart?

If you like RID better than MTMTE, for any reasons, that's fine, but if MTMTE is faulty for making all the characters equally 'witty', RID is faulty for making all the characters equally dull.


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Originally Posted by O.Supreme View Post
So says the guy with a pic in his sig that says "swerve" next to it, just so people would know...
I don't know what to say to this. You counter edgs by commenting on his signature? Which in fact, wasn't made by him, but by me. And yes, all the character banners have names on them. I'm not even going to defend or explain that as that would make no sense.

Ok.
Tim Formas
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Originally Posted by QLRformer View Post
But really, the issue with introducing characters is they may need more time/space, maybe their own Spotlight comic, to settle properly into their universe. For instance, Sky-Byte hasn't really done much so far, apart from team up with Jazz for a musical duet or two; he needs to be more, well, Sky-Byte: more bumbling, eager to please, aquatic - and the narrative as it is (which is doing great btw) can't allow for that.

But the narrative's still ongoing. Maybe there'll be more for each character to do in the future. Right now I want to see how our favourite vermin appears in IDW.
What you're saying is true and there may still be retemption for Rattrap. However, there's one pretty big action he performs in this issue in which future redemption will be difficult to complete. Maybe there is something behind it (doesn't seem like it), but it'll take time to flush out.
WilyMech
Artwork on Rattrap is good and he does look good. I am not overly fond of BW so I will not judge. I do like the Starscream artwise.
Sockie
From reviews I've read, it does sound like Rattrap is based more off of Rattletrap from Animated than his BW incarnation.
Anguirus
Yeah guys Rattrap wasn't very much like Rattrap before his character development kicked in. Pretty early in Season 1 he goes from the worst character on the team to one of the best. Really it's his fake defection that seals the deal.
fryguy81
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Originally Posted by Tim Formas View Post
What you're saying is true and there may still be retemption for Rattrap. However, there's one pretty big action he performs in this issue in which future redemption will be difficult to complete. Maybe there is something behind it (doesn't seem like it), but it'll take time to flush out.
But it does fit with the overly selfish character that Rattrap started out as. Ratters was always about putting himself first before anyone else.

It may not be forgivable but it won't be forgettable that much is sure.
TFan2013
From the preview it looks like Dirge is going to get more love in this issue. Looking forward to reading more.
SPLIT LIP
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Originally Posted by O.Supreme View Post
Same exact thing happens in MTMTE, except at least in RID, you can actually tell who the characters are.
That is the lamest attempt at trolling ever.

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Originally Posted by Digilaut View Post
Yeah, whatever dude. Not only is this not true, if you're going to boil it down to just these three points it practically applies to every work of fiction.

Seriously, I'm not even sure if you're describing RID, or an episode of Star Trek. Or CSI Miami.



I don't agree with Newholl's statement at all, but I don't get this rebuttal? Somebody says something negative about RID, which you counter by saying something mean about its comic counterpart?

If you like RID better than MTMTE, for any reasons, that's fine, but if MTMTE is faulty for making all the characters equally 'witty', RID is faulty for making all the characters equally dull.



I don't know what to say to this. You counter edgs by commenting on his signature? Which in fact, wasn't made by him, but by me. And yes, all the character banners have names on them. I'm not even going to defend or explain that as that would make no sense.

Ok.
Don't waste your time, Digilaut. Dude's already tripped on himself like Curly in a banana peel repository.

I mean, he shot his foot dead when he said you can't tell who the characters are. MTMTE, at worst, tweaks proportions but are no more altered than anyone in RID sporting generi-bad game designs. Everyone still looks like who they are. Even Chromedome. His head is baely changed and his colouring andd style still evokes his typical design despite the massive shoulder wheels.

The only other case I can think of is Rodmus, but Rodimus has had this general look of yellow/orange forehead crest and lean proportions for quite some time now, even in Animated. In fact, he's closer than his last body to his typical appearence.

Which is implying they should look like their typical appearences, which they don't. They changed the designs, but improved them. Chromedome is far more iconic in this body than the exceedingly generic G1 body with no real discernable design elements besides "is brown." Ditto Rodimus, who without his soiler, flame chest and arm pipes (things his MTMTE design still have) would be just as generic if not more. He'd look like a background cartoon charatcer, y'know the ones that were all rounded and lacked lots of defining design elements compare dto the blocky toy-based characters.

And those are really the only two characters a case could POSSIBLY be made against. Everyone else is just their G1 selves with minor tweaks. Swerve looks just like Swerve, Rewind looks just like Rewind, Cyclonus, Ratchet, Magnus, etc.
khopson
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP View Post
I mean, he shot his foot dead when he said you can't tell who the characters are. MTMTE, at worst, tweaks proportions but are no more altered than anyone in RID sporting generi-bad game designs.
I'll admit to initially feeling the same way (to a certain extent) as "O.Supreme" when I first started reading MTMTE. It took some time getting used to the characters and panel layouts, as trying to determine what was going on and who was actually in the panels could be tedious at times. It kind of took away from the story at the time. However, it's something I adapted to over time and is no longer an issue for me. It was never a problem with RID, but - then again - I don't care for the art as much with this book (though issues #17 & #19 were better). Anyway, I like both titles for different reasons, and I'm looking forward to tomorrow's issue of RID.
Trigg
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP View Post
That is the lamest attempt at trolling ever.

he said you can't tell who the characters are. MTMTE, at worst, tweaks proportions but are no more altered than anyone in RID sporting generi-bad game designs.
It could also be biological, there are people who have condition that they have a hard time recognizing anything. My mother had a problem with peoples faces. Some people might have the problem with MTME's artwork style. The style itself easily makes it hard for people who uses other aspects like color, style to differentiate others.
TriBlurr
So, I'm new to buying these digitally. Is there a particular time of day when these appear on Comixology?
khopson
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Originally Posted by TriBlurr View Post
So, I'm new to buying these digitally. Is there a particular time of day when these appear on Comixology?
I believe late morning (Eastern Time) the day of release, so hopefully in a few hours.
General Magnus
What do ya know, Dirge grew a pair.
AdyCarter
Its up on comixology now.

Ending took me by surprise.
khopson
Cool. Thanks for letting us know.
Yggdrasil
Read it.

Not really much to say about it, it's just a filler issue with nothing paticulary interesting happening that only serves to set up future plot-points like Starscream's new body and stuff...meh....
VRDUBZAK
Well from a Drama point, this issue delivers some good things.

Starscream's new body, Rattrap smells, Dirge grew a pair, and Wheeljack is alive and has a head (somehow). So when somebody says they aren't getting entertainment from this build up to Dark Cybertron, don't worry. Shit is about to hit the fan. The last 3 issues are happening simultaneously in time, so what happened to Orion, Bee, and Screamers they are all about to come together.

I too did not see that ending coming, although I had wanted it to happen/Thought it would happen.

RiD is a totally different approach than MtMtE. I am appreciative of both styles of story telling, the Space Travel Religious Drama in MtMtE, and the Political Social Drama in RiD. Each book has something to offer and has given life to characters that were kinda bland before in the IDW continuity.
Anguirus
As a Starscream fan, I have nothing to complain about here. IDW's Starscream has gone from a lame and rote interpretation of the character to one of the best. He's starting to show a knack for picking subordinates, one of the defining traits of an effective leader and which he was never able to do even when "leading" the Decepticons. I really enjoy the Machiavellian logic behind everything he does, and the way he ends up on top even with everyone crapping on him.

Also goodgod he just loves earning beatings from Megatron right?

Last panel surprise: I'm kind of ambivalent. Yes he's an amazing character, but wow how the hell do you kill a Cybertronian in this universe? And are they just not willing to let popular characters die unexpectedly? Still, good potential for drama here, because he'll probably want to leave the city and there's no way in hell Starscream can let him.
fryguy81
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Originally Posted by Anguirus View Post
As a Starscream fan, I have nothing to complain about here. IDW's Starscream has gone from a lame and rote interpretation of the character to one of the best. He's starting to show a knack for picking subordinates, one of the defining traits of an effective leader and which he was never able to do even when "leading" the Decepticons. I really enjoy the Machiavellian logic behind everything he does, and the way he ends up on top even with everyone crapping on him.

Also goodgod he just loves earning beatings from Megatron right?

Last panel surprise: I'm kind of ambivalent. Yes he's an amazing character, but wow how the hell do you kill a Cybertronian in this universe? And are they just not willing to let popular characters die unexpectedly? Still, good potential for drama here, because he'll probably want to leave the city and there's no way in hell Starscream can let him.

I'm thinking Barber and Roberts both pull the hard to kill thing from Beast Wars. I mean how hard was it to kill anybody in that series. You had to throw a lot at them and Waspinator could give the Energizer Bunny pointers.

I agree with your take and voice my love of how Starscream is being handled, it's almost a blend of his G1 and Armada cahracters. He's still a self serving political minded opportunist but it's nice to show that he does have a conscience (even if he does not listen to it and even twists it).

But this is a Starscream who does know who he is. I need to ask BArber how much Game of Thrones has influenced this book (if it has at all). Because this Starscream reminds me a lot of Tyrion Lannister. How he approaches ruling Iacon as opposed to Bumblebee is very similar to how stark the differences were right away between Tyrion taking on the duties of The Hand as opposed to when Stark took on the duty.


I love that in politics there can be no honor if one wishes to rule effectively.

His co-opting of Rattrap and knowing his motivations is indeed a sign of a good leader. Starscream's viewpoint is a good one and I hope this all isn't simply smashed and swept away by Dark Cybertron. I would love to see more of Screamers trying to run a population.
RatTrap1985
Rattrap has shades of the beast wars character, but he also has a lot of animated battletrap. I'm happy he is stinky as that reminded me of one of my favorite lines from beast wars.

I love Starscream's comments about Scoop's Motivation. Pretty much how I react to people like that.

I'm hopeful that Rattrap's appearance means we're getting a toy.
Rexidus
Outside of disliking the further mixing of Beast Wars generation with Great War generation I enjoyed this issue. And hey no naration.
Kaijumaster
Starscream is growing on me as a character, but the NAILS continual "Fix our problems in the literal next 5 minutes or we'll find a new leader' continues to annoy!
Scaldron
Good issue. I like Barber's Starscream quite a bit, so seeing him use his talents in deception and manipulation heee and having them work is good fun. I'm rooting for him to pull through during Dark Cybertron.

(still more excited for the Soundwave issues. Dude's been relegated to that minor major character role for too long)
Scaldron
Good issue. I like Barber's Starscream quite a bit, so seeing him use his talents in deception and manipulation and having them work is good fun. I'm rooting for him to pull through during Dark Cybertron.

(still more excited for the Soundwave issues. Dude's been relegated to that minor major character role for too long)
GWolfv2
So. RID 20. It's very...eh. while I get what it's aiming for, and it has some nice moments...I was overall underwhelmed. While this has been the best use of the toy character yet, and I LOVED dirge's bit, I feel this issue adds nothing and gives me no new nformation. It is just...there. An issue that doesn't pull me into the characters and has an almost wholly predictable plot (second Rattrap shows up the plot played out exactly as I expected it would). I was just...bored by the end. And the one surprise we had is one I REALLY disapprove of. Like massively, disappointingly disapprove of. The last 6 or 7 issues of RID have been the most changable in quality to me. The ending to the first "season" felt rushed in it's latter half and while I did enjoy Shockwave's story, these last three have been at best forgettable and disappointing at worst. MTMTE is carrying on uninhibited by the coming event or toy sales, whereas RID mostly feels very limited by the forced toy moments (not Marvel levels of forced, but noticable) and it feels like its just biding its time. I also feel that the way this story went at the end just was the lesser of two paths. I would have been far more interested in the 3 leaders unified by the events and moving on, rather than yet another power exchange. Overall, the rating for RID 20 is 2 out of 5. I think this is the lowest rating I've given an issue of the series. It's pretty, John is still a great writer but this is currently not working for me.
fryguy81
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Originally Posted by Kaijumaster View Post
Starscream is growing on me as a character, but the NAILS continual "Fix our problems in the literal next 5 minutes or we'll find a new leader' continues to annoy!
THe NAILs could be Barber's commentary on modern society, perhaps?
Kraken
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Originally Posted by Kaijumaster View Post
Starscream is growing on me as a character, but the NAILS continual "Fix our problems in the literal next 5 minutes or we'll find a new leader' continues to annoy!
Yep, and it's not as if we see them pulling their weight. It's not as if we see them doing bloody anything really, except forming spontaneous mobs.
Rexidus
Yeah the NAILs really are under developed.
Digilaut
Well, just read the issue. Can't really say it's anything different from previous RID issues, so if you liked those, you'll like this. If you didn't, you probably don't.

About Rattrap: I think it's time we 'accept' that IDW is not/no longer a 'best of G1' universe. It might have started out like that, as no doubt when it began it was a comic universe geared towards the fans of good old G1 - but more and more are we seeing characters from different continuities blending in and characters getting different characterizations than we're used to. It's really becoming its own thing now, and I think it's for the better.

Rattrap talks and looks like his Beast Wars counterpart, but his role is much more like the Animated version, but played more serious: a lowlife, a hustler even, maybe. I can understand why people wouldn't like that, but - even though I liked Rattrap in BW- it didn't bother me in Animated, it would be really hypocrite to suddenly take issue now.

Keep on rolling forward, RID. You're still not my favorite and probably never will be, but I'm happy that you exist and that with two ongoing comics (or three, even though Regeneration has a set ending) everybody gets what they're looking for.

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Yeah the NAILs really are under developed.
I agree that they're handled a bit poorly. And they're all giant hypocrites who want to wash their hands in innocence or sum'thing.

But I still would like a Tappet toy.
RatTrap1985
What happened to my post about starscream taking over wheeljack's body? Damnit.
edgs2099
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Keep on rolling forward, RID. You're still not my favorite and probably never will be, but I'm happy that you exist and that with two ongoing comics (or three, even though Regeneration has a set ending) everybody gets what they're looking for.
I have to agree. I still have hopes. This book could be a lot better with very little effort. I just keep hoping they put in more effort.
Burningsirius
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Originally Posted by fryguy81 View Post
I'm thinking Barber and Roberts both pull the hard to kill thing from Beast Wars. I mean how hard was it to kill anybody in that series. You had to throw a lot at them and Waspinator could give the Energizer Bunny pointers.

I agree with your take and voice my love of how Starscream is being handled, it's almost a blend of his G1 and Armada cahracters. He's still a self serving political minded opportunist but it's nice to show that he does have a conscience (even if he does not listen to it and even twists it).

But this is a Starscream who does know who he is. I need to ask BArber how much Game of Thrones has influenced this book (if it has at all). Because this Starscream reminds me a lot of Tyrion Lannister. How he approaches ruling Iacon as opposed to Bumblebee is very similar to how stark the differences were right away between Tyrion taking on the duties of The Hand as opposed to when Stark took on the duty.


I love that in politics there can be no honor if one wishes to rule effectively.

His co-opting of Rattrap and knowing his motivations is indeed a sign of a good leader. Starscream's viewpoint is a good one and I hope this all isn't simply smashed and swept away by Dark Cybertron. I would love to see more of Screamers trying to run a population.
This is an inconsistency. Originally, it was very easy to kill a Transformer in the IDWverse. Now people are immune to damage? I hope they explain this rationally other than we are afraid to kill of people.

I, for one, don't get why people hate on the chief characters of G1 being in a G1 comic saying its good they are shifting focus away from them. People are also implying that Beast Wars isn't G1 when it is in the continuity of Generation One. I will never get why people hate Generation One or its various incarnations.

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