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More Than Meets The Eye #4 Creator Commentary

Posted on 04-19-2012 at 12:31 AM by ORIO under Comics
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The official Transformers Facebook page has posted the first five pages of today's new issue of IDW's Transformers More Than Meets The Eye complete with commentary from the creators. Delving into the first five pages of the book and expanding upon everything from the infectious characters to the design of the Lost Light are James Roberts, Alex Milne and Josh Burcham. Make sure to check this out and see what's going on behind the scenes!

Click on the title bar to read the commentary and join More Than Meet's The Eye #4's review and discussion thread in our Transformers Comics Forum.

PAGE 1: We’re seeing for the first time in the IDW continuity First Aid and Delphi. Was this always the plan to bring them both in here and the look of them in this grave situation?

JAMES ROBERTS: Well, First Aid made his first appearance—along with Pharma and Ambulon and Delphi itself—in the short story “Bullets,” which I wrote for inclusion in the Last Stand of the Wreckers trade (it’s in the new hardcover edition, too). But you definitely don’t need to have read “Bullets” to enjoy issues 4 and 5 of MTMTE—the first three pages set everything up for readers new and old. But to answer your question, part of the fun of writing MTMTE is getting our heroes—the crew—meet other characters on their travels. When Cybertron was transformed at the end of the Chaos storyline, it brought a lot of Cybertronians back home; but there are still lots of characters out there, waiting for their moment.

ALEX MILNE: A lot of characters still out there? Oh man I can't wait to see what will be coming up in the later issues of MTMTE. I hope fans will like the look that we have given Delphi. I know I talked it over with Josh—I wanted the interior of the complex to have a very Arkham Asylum feel to it. Specifically the medical ward from the game. I really do think that Josh did an excellent job in pulling that feeling off. I guess the whole look of Delphi consists of 2 things. The outside, where we see the planet and the base, is one. This look is cold, but somewhat comfortable. By looking at the base from the outside, you wouldn't get the sense that anything is wrong. Then the interior, which at times looks nightmarish. I wanted it to have that feeling as you went along that you will really be yearning for the outside again.

JOSH BURCHAM: Thanks Alex! Yeah, it was a lot of fun helping create the look of Delphi’s “visual identity.” Obviously most of the hard stuff, like designing how the base looks and getting across what type of world it is and the terrain it consists of, was already done by Alex but I had a good time trying to come up with a way of reenforcing all of that with color. Every place, every planet has its own feel and its own color scheme to kind of help push the notion that “hey, this is a different place now.” And it’s not just to let you know where you are geographically but there’s an element of getting across a “feeling” to these locations too.


PAGES 2 and 3: More new bots in Ambulon and Pharma and setting the scene for what’s going on inside Delphi. Was the disease influenced at all by the Cosmic Rust we saw in the cartoon and what were Ambulon and Pharma based on?

JAMES ROBERTS: Hmm, it’s hard to answer these questions without giving away too much. Sorry! Let me just say that something very, very bad has happened on Delphi, and Ratchet’s about to walk straight into it! I’ll just say that this story marks a major turning point in the life of the Autobots’ Chief Medical Officer…

ALEX MILNE: I’m not going to give away anything about them either. The only thing I will say is that when you look at Pharma, it's clear that he’s a jet of some sort.

JOSH BURCHAM: Heh, I wish I could extrapolate more on your question but like the others, I’ll leave it to you to find the answers within this and the next issue! Heck, I wish I could comment to some degree on these characters and their color schemes but a lot of that was already kind of laid out for me. Alex and James are very particular about the details when they go to creating their respective parts of the book. I guess for me the main goal of this spread was to keep pushing that green “medical ward” color scheme throughout the panels. (And, boy, Alex sure does design some awesome looking ’bots doesn’t he? Really digging Pharma’s design! Not every day we see a jet medic-bot so it’s a nice treat seeing the Transformers universe expanded, even in little ways like these characters and these kinds of locations!)


PAGE 4: Swerve opens a bar and Ratchet starts realizing his own mortality. I guess it’s really being leading up to this? Just how much of the Lost Light has been designed at this stage?

JAMES ROBERTS: Ratchet’s not been himself since we met him in issue 1. The kindly, young-at-heart doctor of old has changed—he’s less kind, less patient, and in many respects has had enough. Why? Well, that’s what issues 4 and 5 are about. I decided Swerve needed his own bar about five seconds after putting words in his mouth for the first time. But the idea that the Lost Light should have its own social hub was there from the very beginning. There needed to be a place where the crew can congregate, argue, laugh, ingest too much engex, brawl, hide… you get the idea. I think issues 1 through 6 of MTMTE each introduces at least one new location. Alex has outdone himself in terms of designing the interiors. He really makes it feel as if we’re writing a TV show or a film, and these are the set designs. It also makes for fantastic visual continuity.

ALEX MILNE: Hmm, that’s a good question. When I was brought onboard for this project and knew I was going to be working on interiors I started to layout the ship so I would know where things were in relation to each other. I would say that at this point in time 80% of the ship is laid out.

I have a general floor plan I work off of, and I have plotted out section for the bridge, engineering the bar and so on. I have left areas open for things that James might throw my way. I like to think of this as if I was working on star trek or another really cool science fiction show.

JOSH BURCHAM: Yeah, totally! It’s a great deal of fun getting to visit all of these new planets and meeting up with long lost characters. It’s exciting and also challenging, creatively, trying to come up with how all these different places look and feel. Always trying to make them feel familiar and yet alien (and also distinct from each other!) all at the same time is a lot of fun, and seeing how intricately planned out and detailed Alex is on his locations just serves to fuel my own creativity.

And Swerve’s bar. I mean, come on. I can see so many memories coming out of this place in the future. What a fantastic idea!


PAGE 5: Ratchet and Swerve discus this “message” hidden for them to find, getting us to Delphi and they start becoming friends. Has anything in the series so far taken any of you guys by surprise in how the stories and overall arcs are evolving?

JAMES ROBERTS: I’ve got a very firm idea of where the overall story arc is heading. Each of the main characters have their own arcs as well, some of which have yet to begin. In translating these overarching or slow-burning storylines into actual issues, yes, I have been struck by how certain characters gel with each other, and tweaked future stories to exploit that. I’ve been pleased by how many characters seem to work well in pairs: Skids and Swerve, Tailgate and Cyclonus, Ratchet and Drift (I didn’t say “get on” in pairs), Rodimus and Magnus, Chromedome and Rewind, etc. As the voyage continues we see friendships begin and end. As I’ve always said, you live the story through the characters, and the crew of the Lost Light will always be at the heart of this book.

ALEX MILNE: Surprises. Each book is a surprise for me. A wonderful and at times twisted surprise that gives me tingles up my spine when I read it.
For me, each issue that James writes is better then the last, but then when you read them all in one go you see how they all start to tie together to make one great story. It’s a real treat to read and be a part of. I seen a lot of people who have said I don't get why this was said, or this was done. I think we have to have a bit of patience and see how the story unfolds. The stores are so dense and at times and interconnected in ways we don’t see until they happen.
I'm positive the payoff will be worth the wait! Also, Skids is awesome. Just had to put that out there.

JOSH BURCHAM: Ya know what’s funny is that it really doesn’t surprise me at all how much I’m falling in love with all of these characters. James is a fantastic writer! That much was evident when I was working with him on Last Stand of the Wreckers. I know I’m just having a blast getting to know them more and more with each passing issue. There’s a distinct difference between just knowing of a character and really getting to know that character, and James just does such a great job letting us in on how these characters live for 22 pages! And Alex, too! Alex has the big job of putting James’ words to life and he’s just been doing such a great job showing us who and how these characters are! It’s an honor to be working with such a talented team!
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bossprime
wow.... I love this comic.




Also gotta chuckle at some of the names, Adaptus, pharmus,and Ambulan. lol
HeroicC300
The Adaptus sounds odd.

So, is the third Targetmaster (Crosshairs) in the background at all during the comic?
SMOG
So. Much. World-building.

I love it.

zmog
SPLIT LIP
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So. Much. World-building.

I love it.

zmog
No kidding.

I'm so excited.
artiepants
The assertions of racism and hate speech really pulled me out of the story in the preview ~ there's metaphor and then there's slapping you in the face... Arts looking even better as Milne gets things a little more squared-off: some of it seemed to be invoking Geoff Senior style line-work, which is a huge positive in my book.
Carpool
Ultra Magnus looks ridonkulous.He looks like he heaves on purpose to maintain his figure. How did a metrosexual Magnus get ok'd?
ZacWilliam
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The assertions of racism and hate speech really pulled me out of the story in the preview ~ there's metaphor and then there's slapping you in the face...
TFs are just like humans mentally and socially in pretty much EVERY way and always have been. Why would small mindedness and irrational prejudice not be included in that.

Anti-non-transforming sentiment makes perfect sense for a species so focused on it. It's a nice piece of world building I think.


-ZacWilliam, Roberts excels at awesome world building like this.
Mechafire
Oh God I can't wait to read this. Real curious about the ending now.
dj_convoy II
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Oh God I can't wait to read this. Real curious about the ending now.
Gonna be hard avoiding spoilers.
SPLIT LIP
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TFs are just like humans mentally and socially in pretty much EVERY way and always have been. Why would small mindedness and irrational prejudice not be included in that.

Anti-non-transforming sentiment makes perfect sense for a species so focused on it. It's a nice piece of world building I think.


-ZacWilliam, Roberts excels at awesome world building like this.
Indeed. Don't expect it to be so black and white. Rememebr what we hear is character's takes on it, and different characters will present it differently. It's world building, that's all.

EDIT: Also the TFW resource page has a page from last issue in place of the first bar page for some reason.
Mechafire
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Gonna be hard avoiding spoilers.
It will indeed be the most dangerous mission I've ever been on. But with the power of energon, I will succeed.
SPLIT LIP
Ugh, I have to wait until Thursday at the earliest. One whole day. BUHGUHHH.
SMOG
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The assertions of racism and hate speech really pulled me out of the story in the preview ~ there's metaphor and then there's slapping you in the face...
Not me. I don't think it's supposed to be a metaphor for racial or lifestyle prejudices... I think that's exactly what it is. It doesn't feel out of place... I like that we're getting more introspective into how their culture works. Affiliation rituals? Cog amputations? Forged or Built? It's great... I want to know more!!

zmog
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Plus we finally get an idea behind what the difference behind the "forged vs. built" thing even is. Forged implies a more unique and individual construction, wheras built I guess just means built with standard parts, since Ratchet says he can't have his hands replaced because built ones wouldn't cut it.

This is also a brillaint way of explaining why some robots can have scars or damage that never heals/is replaced, because replacements don't exist for some.
dj_convoy II
I found that to be interesting, not distracting. Good sci fi is often built upon metaphors for contemporary social issues, no?

It's an interesting explanation for Ratchet's hands, and answers some "why doesn't he just get new ones?" criticism I've seen here and there.
TF14
Who do you think the surprise patient is, personally I think that it's Grimlock
moreprimeland
Thanks for the sneak peaks...I must wait for the TPB and this looks worth waiting for.
SMOG
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It's an interesting explanation for Ratchet's hands, and answers some "why doesn't he just get new ones?" criticism I've seen here and there.
It also emphasizes just how important he is as a surgeon, because his G1 bio discusses how he is the best guy on Cybertron when it comes to tooling new parts. In other words, if you have unique "forged" parts, replacing damaged components with factory parts won't do... you'd need someone with Ratchet's skills to forge new ones.

When did we hear this forged/built dichotomy first? Was it in relation to Megatron? It must have been back in Roberts' 2-parter, right?

Also, what's up with Adaptus? They way they're using the term, it sounds synonymous with Primus (or God, basically). So TFs are pantheists... and Adaptus is the giver of the gift of transformation?

zmog
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It also emphasizes just how important he is as a surgeon, because his G1 bio discusses how he is the best guy on Cybertron when it comes to tooling new parts. In other words, if you have unique "forged" parts, replacing damaged components with factory parts won't do... you'd need someone with Ratchet's skills to forge new ones.
This is perfect.

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When did we hear this forged/built dichotomy first? Was it in relation to Megatron? It must have been back in Roberts' 2-parter, right?
Yup.

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Also, what's up with Adaptus? They way they're using the term, it sounds synonymous with Primus (or God, basically). So TFs are pantheists... and Adaptus is the giver of the gift of transformation?
I'm just going by his name, but my guess is Adaptus is either responsible for bestowing transformation apon them, or for teaching them how to make themselves capable. Specifically the ability to adapt as other vehicles.
Sideswipe80
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It also emphasizes just how important he is as a surgeon, because his G1 bio discusses how he is the best guy on Cybertron when it comes to tooling new parts. In other words, if you have unique "forged" parts, replacing damaged components with factory parts won't do... you'd need someone with Ratchet's skills to forge new ones.

When did we hear this forged/built dichotomy first? Was it in relation to Megatron? It must have been back in Roberts' 2-parter, right?

Also, what's up with Adaptus? They way they're using the term, it sounds synonymous with Primus (or God, basically). So TFs are pantheists... and Adaptus is the giver of the gift of transformation?

zmog
Constructed cold was first mentioned in Last Stand of the Wreckers by Fistitron.

Also Adaptus, who is that? Not familiar with him, Phaarma or Ambulan.
YoungPrime
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Not me. I don't think it's supposed to be a metaphor for racial or lifestyle prejudices... I think that's exactly what it is. It doesn't feel out of place... I like that we're getting more introspective into how their culture works. Affiliation rituals? Cog amputations? Forged or Built? It's great... I want to know more!!

zmog
Exactly!
Triple M
Genericons
DJD

James has added more depth to Ongoing in 8 pages then Costa did in 2 years. But you cant please everybody. Hence the term Geewiner and living up to the word.

That being said, here's to shape-ism! LOL!
YoungPrime
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Who do you think the surprise patient is, personally I think that it's Grimlock
Overlord!

He was last seen with no skin and with no one in a hurry to graph new "skin" to his body I'm sure he's cooped up some where in stasis.

Plus his last words to Kup were "Tell Megatron to come and get him."

So odds are that Blackshadow is one of the 5 DJD who obviously wouldn't mind taking him out based on what was said in LSOTW.
SMOG
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Also Adaptus, who is that? Not familiar with him, Phaarma or Ambulan.
Phaarma and Ambulan are nobodies, based on their names... destined to die very shortly, I would expect. I'm not sure if Adaptus has ever been mentioned prior to this issue, but it seems like Adaptus is the mythic figure who taught them to use their shape-shifting powers. So maybe not a creator god like Primus, but perhaps a Promethean figure?

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Overlord!
He was last seen with no skin and with no one in a hurry to graph new "skin" to his body I'm sure he's cooped up some where in stasis.
Plus his last words to Kup were "Tell Megatron to come and get him."
So odds are that Blackshadow is one of the 5 DJD who obviously wouldn't mind taking him out based on what was said in LSOTW.
That's a pretty good theory. It makes lots of sense.

zmog
Maverick Hunter Christian
Adaptus was name-dropped in Roberts' on-going two-parter last year. There seemed to be some mythological if not religious overtones attached to the name; maybe in old Cybertronian lore, they were responsible for Cybertronians learning how to transform?

I try to not get attached to rampant speculation. But a Roberts penned barn burner between Overlord and Black Shadow? That would be... magical.
MechaV
Who are we thinking makes up the DJD?

All new characters or fanwank?

Personally I think Lockdown's gonna be on. He is the one Megatron sent to bring Drift in after all.
YoungPrime
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Who are we thinking makes up the DJD?

All new characters or fanwank?

Personally I think Lockdown's gonna be on. He is the one Megatron sent to bring Drift in after all.
Yeah Lockdown is a big possibility.
So is Blackshadow
Not sure who that is on Cover 7 but he's obviously one.

So that's 3.

My guess would be one more known Bot and one more unknown.

Deathsaurous perhaps?

No.....I think he's worthy of his own arch.

So maybe a Terrorcon or deluxe Insecticons.

Basically someone who's kickass yet doesn't a lot of limelight.
Wadeledge
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Yeah Lockdown is a big possibility.
So is Blackshadow
Not sure who that is on Cover 7 but he's obviously one.
You mean the one reflected in Drift's sword? Isn't that Pipes?
DarthCrusher
Gah! Mere hours away from more Roberts/Milne-y goodness! I can't wait!

My initial thought when I saw that the Wreckers: Declassified catalogs have been brought up again was that Ironfist was back, but they've kind of made it clear by this point that he's pretty stone cold dead. The only other character who's been seen writing them was Verity, but she's probably still on Earth.

I'm now torn, based on the speculation presented in this thread, as to whether the surprise character reveal at the end is Grimlock or Overlord. I'm kind of hoping for the latter, if simply because Black Shadow's been hinted at for a while now, and I'd LOVE to see those two square off.

Everyone was saying the returning character was going to be Kup or Springer a while back, but Kup seems unlikely at this stage and according to Zero Point, Springer's still recovering at Debris with Roadbuster.

I hope that my comics shop pulls the Roche cover for me, as I've been collecting his covers for the series so far. Tomorrow can't come soon enough!
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You mean the one reflected in Drift's sword? Isn't that Pipes?
I think he means the cover of issue 7.
HeroicC300
Hmm, for the DJD, here are my guesses:
Black Shadow
Lockdown
Lugnut?
Barricade?
No idea
artiepants
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Not me. I don't think it's supposed to be a metaphor for racial or lifestyle prejudices... I think that's exactly what it is. It doesn't feel out of place... I like that we're getting more introspective into how their culture works. Affiliation rituals? Cog amputations? Forged or Built? It's great... I want to know more!!

zmog
I dunno, to me it seemed to lack the nuance I've become accustom too from Roberts ~ the way it was dropped in there felt pretty ham-fisted to me, more like the author was beating a political point then telling a story. Those couple frames just totally jolted me out of the story ~ the rest was fantastic: I loved the 'away mission' feel of Ratchet's expedition.
Pale Horse
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Who do you think the surprise patient is, personally I think that it's Grimlock
It's Springer.
shadow panther
i read the book the returning bot is Fort Max
sunnyswipe
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i read the book the returning bot is Fort Max
really? totaly forgot about him!
Grimwing
Shapism Prejudice splinter groups of Decepticons that have their Transformation cogs removed. Alone that adds a bit of in universe controversy.

The colorful art fits in with Wreckers and the Drift Miniseries. So I'm pleased they referenced both.
SMOG
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I dunno, to me it seemed to lack the nuance I've become accustom too from Roberts ~ the way it was dropped in there felt pretty ham-fisted to me, more like the author was beating a political point then telling a story. Those couple frames just totally jolted me out of the story ~ the rest was fantastic: I loved the 'away mission' feel of Ratchet's expedition.
See, I have to disagree on that front, since the shapism/Adaptus/monoformer stuff doesn't have a blatant corollary in the real world, nor does Roberts make any rhetorical statements about it. It's hard to say he's making a "political" statement when he's only dumping speculation onto the floor (so far). Showing that Transformers have their own internal social and societal schisms and prejudices (beyond the Bot/Con binary) isn't a specific real-world analogy, but a general one, and something that we should have seen long ago in the fiction. And bringing the question of Transformer religion is hardly anything new. We've had those undercurrents (Unicron, Primus, etc) for ages now.

I agree that he's been a bit too glib in his connotations at times in the past, but I don't think that this is the case here. To me this feels like it's purely enriching the transformers canon itself, as opposed to pasting bare social issues in somewhere they don't belong. So far at least.

Here's a question... if the DJD hunts down Decepticon defectors... how do they have a "territory"? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of hunting down runners/dissidents if you stick to just one area?

zmog
YoungPrime
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See, I have to disagree on that front, since the shapism/Adaptus/monoformer stuff doesn't have a blatant corollary in the real world, nor does Roberts make any rhetorical statements about it. It's hard to say he's making a "political" statement when he's only dumping speculation onto the floor (so far). Showing that Transformers have their own internal social and societal schisms and prejudices (beyond the Bot/Con binary) isn't a specific real-world analogy, but a general one, and something that we should have seen long ago in the fiction. And bringing the question of Transformer religion is hardly anything new. We've had those undercurrents (Unicron, Primus, etc) for ages now.

I agree that he's been a bit too glib in his connotations at times in the past, but I don't think that this is the case here. To me this feels like it's purely enriching the transformers canon itself, as opposed to pasting bare social issues in somewhere they don't belong. So far at least.

Here's a question... if the DJD hunts down Decepticon defectors... how do they have a "territory"? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of hunting down runners/dissidents if you stick to just one area?

zmog
I'm sure it's a base of operations/torture chamber/prison

Plus even Decepticons have to rest their heads somewhere correct? Plus once you've captured whomever you were hunting I'm guessing this would be the place they'd bring them back to for "interrogation".

And since they're labeling these guys as the most dangerous Decepticons in the galaxy being mindful of that area and treading lightly would be warranted.
ZacWilliam
Just finished reading it on IDW's Comixology ap.

Very cool. Was not expecting who the surprise ended up being.

I am a big fan of his as he was used way back in the Marvel Comic, loved that design and characterization. But havn't been particularly happy with anything IDW's done with him (including his design) thus far. Still, if there's anyone who I would trust to do something good there it's Roberts.

Looking forward to next issue.


-ZacWilliam1, doesn't have time to write his usual way too long review right now. Maybe later I hope...
Megatron31
i really like how all these little details are shaping up and breathing life to the society of cybertonians and more depth to a race that has waged war for millions of years.

but adaptus struck me as possibley their take on evolution? i dont know the description just kinda fit for some reason. very interested to see where it goes
Mechafire
Just finished reading it. Loved it. So much world-building. The ending was great, too.

Can't wait for the next issue.
Jonny Napalm
Awesome.. Didn't see HIM coming at all, which just made the last page all the more fun.
Powerful stuff all round and a nice balance between humour and horror.
ZacWilliam
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but adaptus struck me as possibley their take on evolution? i dont know the description just kinda fit for some reason. very interested to see where it goes
Adaptus is one of the gods mentioned by Springarm in Chaos Theory, along with Primus and Mortilus


-ZacWilliam, apparently he's somehow connected to tfing
Megatron31
ah forgot about that tidbit beena while since i red that

but arent TF gods pretty much the primes?
ZacWilliam
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ah forgot about that tidbit beena while since i red that

but arent TF gods pretty much the primes?
No. The 13 Primes are legendary and mythic figures. Maybe even Demigods in some ways, but they've never really been Gods in a worshiped "supernatural" divine being way.

Before this we've only had a few named "Gods" in TF: Primus, Unicron, Devil Z, the One, and the Chronarchitect chief among them. The early Marvel comics mentioned Primus and Unicron as part of whole larger pantheons of gods but the others are not named.

Roberts has added Adaptus and Mortilus to that list.

-ZacWilliam, would love to see the Myths of Primus, Adaptus and others detailed inTPB extra material if nowhere else...
ZacWilliam
Btw, the TRANSFORMERS facebook page has updated with Creator commentary on the first 4 pages.


-ZacWilliam, nothing mindblowing, but neat that they're doing it.
sunnyswipe
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Btw, the TRANSFORMERS facebook page has updated with Creator commentary on the first 4 pages.


-ZacWilliam, nothing mindblowing, but neat that they're doing it.
do you have a link for that?
ZacWilliam
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do you have a link for that?
https://www.facebook.com/#!/transformers


-ZacWilliam, click on each pic for that page's commentary
sunnyswipe
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/transformers


-ZacWilliam, click on each pic for that page's commentary
cheers!

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