| The assertions of racism and hate speech really pulled me out of the story in the preview ~ there's metaphor and then there's slapping you in the face... |
| TFs are just like humans mentally and socially in pretty much EVERY way and always have been. Why would small mindedness and irrational prejudice not be included in that. Anti-non-transforming sentiment makes perfect sense for a species so focused on it. It's a nice piece of world building I think. -ZacWilliam, Roberts excels at awesome world building like this. |
| The assertions of racism and hate speech really pulled me out of the story in the preview ~ there's metaphor and then there's slapping you in the face... |
| It's an interesting explanation for Ratchet's hands, and answers some "why doesn't he just get new ones?" criticism I've seen here and there. |
| It also emphasizes just how important he is as a surgeon, because his G1 bio discusses how he is the best guy on Cybertron when it comes to tooling new parts. In other words, if you have unique "forged" parts, replacing damaged components with factory parts won't do... you'd need someone with Ratchet's skills to forge new ones. |
| When did we hear this forged/built dichotomy first? Was it in relation to Megatron? It must have been back in Roberts' 2-parter, right? |
| Also, what's up with Adaptus? They way they're using the term, it sounds synonymous with Primus (or God, basically). So TFs are pantheists... and Adaptus is the giver of the gift of transformation? |
| It also emphasizes just how important he is as a surgeon, because his G1 bio discusses how he is the best guy on Cybertron when it comes to tooling new parts. In other words, if you have unique "forged" parts, replacing damaged components with factory parts won't do... you'd need someone with Ratchet's skills to forge new ones. When did we hear this forged/built dichotomy first? Was it in relation to Megatron? It must have been back in Roberts' 2-parter, right? Also, what's up with Adaptus? They way they're using the term, it sounds synonymous with Primus (or God, basically). So TFs are pantheists... and Adaptus is the giver of the gift of transformation? zmog |
| Not me. I don't think it's supposed to be a metaphor for racial or lifestyle prejudices... I think that's exactly what it is. It doesn't feel out of place... I like that we're getting more introspective into how their culture works. Affiliation rituals? Cog amputations? Forged or Built? It's great... I want to know more!! zmog |
| Who do you think the surprise patient is, personally I think that it's Grimlock |
| Also Adaptus, who is that? Not familiar with him, Phaarma or Ambulan. |
| Overlord! He was last seen with no skin and with no one in a hurry to graph new "skin" to his body I'm sure he's cooped up some where in stasis. Plus his last words to Kup were "Tell Megatron to come and get him." So odds are that Blackshadow is one of the 5 DJD who obviously wouldn't mind taking him out based on what was said in LSOTW. |
| Who are we thinking makes up the DJD? All new characters or fanwank? Personally I think Lockdown's gonna be on. He is the one Megatron sent to bring Drift in after all. |
| Not me. I don't think it's supposed to be a metaphor for racial or lifestyle prejudices... I think that's exactly what it is. It doesn't feel out of place... I like that we're getting more introspective into how their culture works. Affiliation rituals? Cog amputations? Forged or Built? It's great... I want to know more!! zmog |
| I dunno, to me it seemed to lack the nuance I've become accustom too from Roberts ~ the way it was dropped in there felt pretty ham-fisted to me, more like the author was beating a political point then telling a story. Those couple frames just totally jolted me out of the story ~ the rest was fantastic: I loved the 'away mission' feel of Ratchet's expedition. |
| See, I have to disagree on that front, since the shapism/Adaptus/monoformer stuff doesn't have a blatant corollary in the real world, nor does Roberts make any rhetorical statements about it. It's hard to say he's making a "political" statement when he's only dumping speculation onto the floor (so far). Showing that Transformers have their own internal social and societal schisms and prejudices (beyond the Bot/Con binary) isn't a specific real-world analogy, but a general one, and something that we should have seen long ago in the fiction. And bringing the question of Transformer religion is hardly anything new. We've had those undercurrents (Unicron, Primus, etc) for ages now. I agree that he's been a bit too glib in his connotations at times in the past, but I don't think that this is the case here. To me this feels like it's purely enriching the transformers canon itself, as opposed to pasting bare social issues in somewhere they don't belong. So far at least. Here's a question... if the DJD hunts down Decepticon defectors... how do they have a "territory"? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of hunting down runners/dissidents if you stick to just one area? zmog |
| but adaptus struck me as possibley their take on evolution? i dont know the description just kinda fit for some reason. very interested to see where it goes |
| ah forgot about that tidbit beena while since i red that but arent TF gods pretty much the primes? |
Also gotta chuckle at some of the names, Adaptus, pharmus,and Ambulan. lol