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John Barber Talks Rage Of The Dinobots

Posted on 09-10-2012 at 01:44 PM by ORIO under Comics
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Ain't it Cool News has posted an interview with IDW Senior Editor and writer for Robots In Disguise, John Barber about the upcoming Rage of The Dinobots Mini-series from IDW. In the interview John goes into detail about where the Prime universe fits in with Hasbro's aligned continuity, what the Dinobots are raging about and what we can expect from this new title.

Click the title bar to read the interview. Rage of The Dinobots is due in November.

Russ Sheath here. Tying in with the video game TRANSFORMERS PRIME: FALL OF CYBERTRON, comes the IDW comic book TRANSFORMERS PRIME: RAGE OF THE DINOBOTS. Hitting shelves in November and taking place in the 'Prime' Universe, Transformers readers can get to meet everyone's favourite robotic T-Rex, Grimlock for the first time, in this incarnation of the Transformers. In RAGE OF THE DINOBOTS, the Grimlock and co are forced to battle Shockwave with the very fate of Cybertron hanging in the balance. Written by Mike Johnson (Star Trek) and Mairghread Scott, the writer of the TRANSFORMERS: PRIME animated series. Artist Agustin Padilla (Dungeons & Dragons) provides pencils while Ken Christiansen provides covers. I spoke to IDW Senior Editor John Barber about the book and the Transformers legacy on the screen and in comics.

RUSS SHEATH (RS): The series is set in the 'Prime' Universe and shares the same setting as the Transformers Prime animated series. Tell us a little about the Prime Universe and how the characters we know fit into it?

JOHN BARBER (JB): Well, the Prime Universe is the timeline where theTransformers: Prime TV series from Hasbro Studiostakes place, along with the FALL OF CYBERTRON video games from Activision and the novels that Random House publishes, like Exiles and Exodus by Alex Irvine. So if you’re familiar with any of those, you’re already familiar with the characters. The team at Hasbro takes special care to ensure there is continuity between a wide variety of storytelling platforms for the brand.

If you’re a G1 or TRANSFORMERS: ANIMATED or movie fan, the Prime universe really takes pieces of all those timelines and builds the mythology into one coherent continuity. So your favorites are there—Optimus Prime is there, Bumblebee is there, Megatron, Shockwave—but there are surprises and a lot of new takes on the characters and settings.

RS: Having written in the Prime universe yourself what makes that world exciting to work in and how does it differ from the 'regular' Transformers U?

JB: Really, the Prime universe is the regular Transformers universe. It’s funny—I’m 36 years old. When I talk to people my age, people who aren’t necessarily embedded in the day-to-day of the Transformers goings-on, they tend to think of the brand as being a 1980s phenomenon that came back in the 2000s. But when you talk to people in other age groups, people who are younger, they all grew up with Transformers—they all have the same experience we had with the 1980s comics and cartoons and the 1986 movie, except they had that experience with different Transformers worlds. They had it with Beast Wars, or with the Energon trilogy, or any number of other points.

The Transformers story has been going on continuously for a very long time, and I think it’s fair to say the Prime universe is working to take the best elements of every expression and build a world. What’s really exciting is that what we’re doing in the comic is going to impact this world across various mediums. So, it isn’t a case where we’re doing a book that’s subservient to the TV show—we’re doing an all-new story set in that same universe, and the stories we tell are going to be reflected in the shows and the novels and everything else. It’s “canon.” Which is cool, and sort of rare and unique.

RS: The book is a truly cross-media venture tying in with the upcoming game Fall of Cybertron as well as the Transformers Prime series, how much of a 'juggling act' is it to coordinate the story between the different outlets?

JB: Fortunately I get to work with some of the best people in the business. Michael Kelly, who’s Hasbro’s Director of Global Publishing, is a great friend and somebody I get to work with very closely. He coordinates with the Transformers brand team at Hasbro—which contains some really good friends of mine, too. Plus I’ll talk to the folks at Random House, and we’re constantly emailing with everybody at High Moon, who produce FALL OF CYBERTRON, so while there are a lot of moving parts, we’re all talking. And we’re all building toward the same goals of good storytelling and a cohesive worldview.

Also—the new Prime comic is being written by Mike Johnson and Mairghread Scott, both of whom—in addition to being comics writers, both write for thePrime TV show. So they know what’s what.

RS: How does this book tie in with the rest of the Prime Universe?

JB: We’re set in the era when the Transformers characters are abandoning Cybertron. The ships are leaving, and the Dinobots are guarding the evacuation. So we’re closely tied in with the FALL OF CYBERTRON game—and the book is where the Dinobots first appear in the Prime world—plus the Exodus novel, and then most explicitly we’ll be setting up some elements that will play out in the Prime TV show going forward.

RS: The press release offers a compelling tease 'with Optimus Prime and the Ark long gone, the Dinobots are forced to confront Shockwave again - this time with the fate of Cybertron at stake'. Can you tell us more about how we find the Dinobots and the situation that has lead to them in the predicament they are in?

JB: Well not to give away what happens in FALL OF CYBERTRON, but Cybertron falls. There’s a mass evacuation of the planet and our heroes—the Dinobots—are working with some other characters (that will be pretty exciting to glimpse) to make sure everybody gets away. Of course—things don’t go right.

RS: The Dinobots are fan favourites and the 'bruisers' of the Autobot forces, do their characters in 'Prime' vary from the the GI versions?

JB: A little. There are elements from the cartoon, elements from the G1 comic books—the Dinobots, Grimlock especially, were portrayed very differently across those two mediums. Grimlock here is a master strategist—very aggressive, but very smart and cunning—who’s trying to make his way in the world after being vigorously experimented upon by Shockwave. If you like the G1 Dinobots like I do, I do not think you will be let down.

RS: The books called TRANSFORMERS PRIME: RAGE OF THE DINOBOTS, how do we find the Dinobots in this book and what are they 'raging' about?

JB: What have you got?

No, seriously, they have been messed with pretty badly by Shockwave, and their world is falling apart under their dino-feet. They have a lot of rage. And a lot of targets to take their rage out on. The FALL OF CYBERTRON game trailer has offered a major build up to the Dinobots appearance in the Prime universe - is this something fans have been waiting to see in the Prime Universe?

I think so. A year ago, when I became the senior editor at IDW, I remember fielding a question at San Diego Comic-Con about the Dinobots. We hadn’t seen them—in any medium—for a long time, and I was saying how much I wanted to see them back. The truth was that James Roberts and I had already planned to get them back in the comics. We didn’t know about the video game at that point. So, for me personally, as a fan, yeah—I was absolutely ready to see them back.

Visually, Prime merges visuals from the movies and the classic G1 universe and the animated series and games are positively eye melting (in a good way) was it difficult to find an artist who could translate those striking visuals into the 2D realm? It’s always a challenge to find somebody that can draw Transformers at all. They’re really a tough set of characters to draw right, and we’re really luck to get to work with so many artists who do so well with them. Translating the aesthetic of the Prime TV show is a challenge, but one that Agustin Padilla is more than up to.

RS: Thanks for John for taking part, look for TRANSFORMERS PRIME: RAGE OF THE DINOBOTS from IDW in November.
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Anguirus
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JOHN BARBER (JB): Well, the Prime Universe is the timeline where theTransformers: Prime TV series from Hasbro Studiostakes place, along with the FALL OF CYBERTRON video games from Activision and the novels that Random House publishes, like Exiles and Exodus by Alex Irvine. So if you’re familiar with any of those, you’re already familiar with the characters. The team at Hasbro takes special care to ensure there is continuity between a wide variety of storytelling platforms for the brand.
This whole interview is pretty metal, but I'm quoting this bit just to note that it will be fun to see what the denialists will make out of it. Could this be any more explicit a statement, from any more relevant a creative figure?

There is even a bit behind the reasoning of "Aligned" buried in there...I think it has to do with the phenomenon he notes of people who noticed Transformers "coming back" in the late 2000s. (Which is essentially who I am, I just got really well informed because I'm an obsessive.)
TFW10
Thanks for sharing.
Autobot_Jacer
These are sweet! I want a print of the first one!
General Tekno
Interesting; though there's a number of elements in WFC that directly clash with Exodus.

Have to wonder what takes precedence.
Dirge121
Is Swoop going for the Hulk Hogan pose?

Joking aside I thought this was about the Prime TV show and got excited
Wheeljack_Prime
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This whole interview is pretty metal, but I'm quoting this bit just to note that it will be fun to see what the denialists will make out of it. Could this be any more explicit a statement, from any more relevant a creative figure?

There is even a bit behind the reasoning of "Aligned" buried in there...I think it has to do with the phenomenon he notes of people who noticed Transformers "coming back" in the late 2000s. (Which is essentially who I am, I just got really well informed because I'm an obsessive.)
It's John Barber. He'll find a way to edit the shit of out the continuity discrepancies between the games and show.
Sumner Sturgeon
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It's John Barber. He'll find a way to edit the shit of out the continuity discrepancies between the games and show.
Yeah, I was just about to say the same thing. If he was able to make sense of the clusterfuck that was the Movie continuity, then he can sure as hell handle this.

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Interesting; though there's a number of elements in WFC that directly clash with Exodus.

Have to wonder what takes precedence.
The Prime show itself seems to take Exodus as canon. And honestly, considering that FOC kinda takes a broad strokes approach to what happened prior to its events, it's entirely possible to discard the first game while counting the second.
Stygian360
I find this quote VEEEERY interesting:

"and then most explicitly we’ll be setting up some elements that will play out in the Prime TV show going forward."

Do we dare hope that the Dinobots may make an appearance during Season 3 as more than a one episode walk-on, similar to the almost wasted appearance of Shockwave this season? I really want to see these guys in the show... and more importantly.. as TOYS!!
bellpeppers
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The team at Hasbro takes special care to ensure there is continuity between a wide variety of storytelling platforms for the brand.
And the movie prequel comics are official canon.
And the prequel comics to JJ's Star Trek is official canon.

Arashistorm
Don't like how they still sound like everything is supposed to be all connected and make sense as opposed to numerous stories unrelated to one another taking queues and info from the same source...but eh.
bellpeppers
No joke.
After all, that is what aligned means.
artiepants
i continue to find it head-shakingly hysterical that they are trying to cram the High Moon games with all their G1 Fan-service into the back-story of Prime, especially with the designs on FoC getting even blockier and more armored than the first one (as opposed to Prime's incredibly sleek and streamlined aesthetic).

Bumblebee and Starscream alone just make it a laughable exercise.
Sumner Sturgeon
I have to wonder why writers even try anymore, given that they're gonna get this response every. Single. Time.
iconscons
They will have to pull out a lot of fairy dust to convince me that the games, books and show are the same. I'll be curious to see how they try to convince me that the bumblebee, cliffjumper, starscream and soundwave from the game aren't g1, but from the prime cartoon. And also how they'll explain the memory lapses that go by since Dark Energon is new and exciting each of the three times megatron uses it for the first time. And I guess cliffjumper never made it into the arc during FOC since the prime cartoon shows him and arcee going to earth via space bridge.

He did work miracles with the movie comics. No joke, miracles. If anyone can do it, he can...but it'll be equally miraculous.
iconscons
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I have to wonder why writers even try anymore, given that they're gonna get this response every. Single. Time.
I think the point is that they shouldn't try. We're fine with different continuities. It's simpler and allows more exploration. It's not that we're mad they really are different continuities. At least I'm not...I'm just kind of insulted that they keep trying to sell me on the idea like I'm too stupid to notice.
Kilowog
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And the movie prequel comics are official canon.
And the prequel comics to JJ's Star Trek is official canon.

elaborate please? I seem to be missing the joke
artiepants
honestly, i wonder why Hasbro didn't push High Moon to move their aesthetic MORE in the Prime direction rather than farther away (alter Bumblebee's head to an intermediary between G1 and Prime, streamline Prime and Megs rather than bulking them up) if they are so concerned about the alignment of their aligned continuity.

I mean, it just feels like they are closing their eyes, sticking their fingers in their ears and going "it's all one continuity, it's all one continuity!!!" and ya know what, since Hasbro says it is, it is...

...but it's a dang sloppy way to go about it when you have the 2 primary components of that franchise (Fall of Cybertron and Prime) so completely aesthetically removed from one another. (reminds me of when IDW launched the Ongoing comic and Bumblebee mini-series and the various artists involved weren't using the same character models for stories that were entertwined)
Sockie
I don't think we'll be seeing much of Barber's patented continuity-massaging here. He's only editing, so we might see SOME of it, but probably not as much as if he were writing this himself.
chaosbringer_00
I'll add my voice to the chorus of people who think that the "Aligned" continuity is dumb. The number of contradictions between the games and the Prime cartoon are staggering. I can appreciate Hasbro wanting to streamline their continuity for simplicity's sake, but trying to cram all these different forms of media into one canon doesn't work. I don't see why each story now has to match up to every other.

Personally, I just regard WfC/FoC and Prime as different continuities and leave it at that. I only worry that later stories, like Rage of the Dinobots, will suffer from being forced to incorporate contradictory elements into the narrative.

However, if Hasbro decides to make all of the different G1 media into one continuity, I might just quit the franchise before my head explodes
General Tekno
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And the movie prequel comics are official canon.
And the prequel comics to JJ's Star Trek is official canon.

The Star Trek comics actually WERE written by Orci/Kurtzman though. So I think it's safe to take those as canon.
orangeitis
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This whole interview is pretty metal, but I'm quoting this bit just to note that it will be fun to see what the denialists will make out of it. Could this be any more explicit a statement, from any more relevant a creative figure?
There's nothing to deny. But there IS something to reject, at least until the contradictions and inconsistencies are resolved.

It's not that I'd love just one continuity to the fiction - I'd actually prefer it. But as a skeptic and a rationalist, I have to take this position until I'm convinced.

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The Star Trek comics actually WERE written by Orci/Kurtzman though. So I think it's safe to take those as canon.
Didn't Roddenberry say that nothing 'counts' except the TV shows and the movies before he died? Though that's not to say they have to adhere to his word.
Sumner Sturgeon
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I think the point is that they shouldn't try. We're fine with different continuities. It's simpler and allows more exploration. It's not that we're mad they really are different continuities. At least I'm not...I'm just kind of insulted that they keep trying to sell me on the idea like I'm too stupid to notice.
I honestly do not care enough about the whole thing to get as angry as some of the users here are. I mean...no offence, but if people are taking this as a personal insult, then they must have really thin skin. The words of a bunch of people who don't know me, which are concerned with completely fictional events, have no bearing on my mind. I just come up with my own interpretation and leave the rest alone.
artiepants
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I honestly do not care enough about the whole thing to get as angry as some of the users here are.
In case I might have Ben on the list, I'm really not angry about it at all, just find it quite silly. (and fairly poor brand stewardship on Hasbro's part)
Sumner Sturgeon
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In case I might have Ben on the list, I'm really not angry about it at all, just find it quite silly. (and fairly poor brand stewardship on Hasbro's part)
Pretty much. Though I'm inclined to find the fan reaction to the whole thing even sillier than the continuity itself. Then again, I'm used to screwed up continuity, being a Star Wars fan...frankly, compared to some of the stuff I've seen, this is rather minor. FOC did a lot to clean up certain small but meaningful parts of the timeline, at least to me-- it's mostly just the order in which some things happened, the art styles (and the disparity there is really no worse than IDW's when they change artists), and the presence or absence of certain MacGuffins that strikes me as still needing work. And if anyone can make sense of it all, it's John Barber.

Compared to, say, Even Piell dying in the Clone Wars show mere months after a novel was published in which he survived Order 66, or Greedo becoming his own father for several years until George Lucas decided he wasn't, this Aligned nonsense is pretty easy for me to process.
Smasher
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honestly, i wonder why Hasbro didn't push High Moon to move their aesthetic MORE in the Prime direction rather than farther away (alter Bumblebee's head to an intermediary between G1 and Prime, streamline Prime and Megs rather than bulking them up) if they are so concerned about the alignment of their aligned continuity.

I mean, it just feels like they are closing their eyes, sticking their fingers in their ears and going "it's all one continuity, it's all one continuity!!!" and ya know what, since Hasbro says it is, it is...
Yeah, like maybe they could have given Cliffjumper in Fall of Cybertron his head from the Prime TV show.
Or maybe they could have modeled the Path Blaster in Fall of Cybertron after Optimus Primes gun in Prime.
Or maybe they could have not only shown how the Decepticons acquire the Nemesis starship, but given a reason for the consciousness that animates it in the episode Flying Mind.

They made no effort at all to connect the two storylines.

I'm amazed at the number of people that not only want the storylines to be unconnected, but say the the Cybertron games are closer to G1.
Whether comic or cartoon, the Cybertron games are further in conflict with G1 than they are with Prime.
Anguirus
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honestly, i wonder why Hasbro didn't push High Moon to move their aesthetic MORE in the Prime direction rather than farther away (alter Bumblebee's head to an intermediary between G1 and Prime, streamline Prime and Megs rather than bulking them up) if they are so concerned about the alignment of their aligned continuity.
I actually suspect that Bumblebee got blown away in FoC to justify his redesign into something Prime-ish. As for Optimus and Megatron, clearly they change bodies like clothes anyway.

Also, designs have always been only weakly tied into continuity, at best. See IDW's G1 comics, who have only recently appeared to decide what everyone actually looks like. Also, Rescue Bots design-wise is at least as hard to integrate as the video games.

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It's not that I'd love just one continuity to the fiction - I'd actually prefer it. But As a skeptic and a rationalist, I have to take this position until I'm convinced.
As a scientist and semi-pro geek myself, I have come to accept that skepticism and rationalism are simply exercises when it comes to fictional worlds. From the perspective of the Transformers universe, this was essentially an interview with God. Barber's interpretation of Hasbro's "Alignment" initiative is very informative, because that perspective WILL influence fiction.

And yes, there are people who literally deny the evidence stacking up that Hasbro reads Aligned continuity as more or less one thing. Whenever the topic comes up they plunge to the level of individual differences between two cartoons, a novel series, and a video game series that are more or less being worked on contemporaneously, with cross-communication going on largely at the top levels. To which I say, yes, sure, these all exist and they all present problems for any literal reading of Aligned as one perfect continuity.

But now we have John Barber who made the movieverse make sense on the case writing a literal story bridge between Fall of Cybertron and Season 3 of Prime. There are a bazillion years of story that are completely wide open to smooth over gaps.

Right now I kind of read Exodus + Prime as one thing, and WfC/FoC as a different, closely related thing. But I'm certainly open to any revelations moving forward. If a few lines in the Prime show wind up standing out as errors, I'm fine with that. We ignore much weirder BS in other continuities and meta-continuities.

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Then again, I'm used to screwed up continuity, being a Star Wars fan...frankly, compared to some of the stuff I've seen, this is rather minor.
Truer words have never been spoken!
Sockie
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But now we have John Barber who made the movieverse make sense on the case writing a literal story bridge between Fall of Cybertron and Season 3 of Prime. There are a bazillion years of story that are completely wide open to smooth over gaps.
Barber's editing this, not writing.
Sumner Sturgeon
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Barber's editing this, not writing.
He wouldn't be doing his job as editor if he wasn't advising the guys who actually are writing on how to make it make sense.
Sockie
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He wouldn't be doing his job as editor if he wasn't advising the guys who actually are writing on how to make it make sense.
Even still, I doubt he's going to get them to explain every single error in the Aligned continuity like I'm certain he would if he were writing.
Autovolt 127
Oh that's neat.
Sumner Sturgeon
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Even still, I doubt he's going to get them to explain every single error in the Aligned continuity like I'm certain he would if he were writing.
Well, of course-- he's only human, after all. Still, they're infinitely better off with his help than they'd be without it.
Shinobitron
I really like the FOC/ WFC games but dont like Prime. If they force the 2 together I think I may be disliking both. They should just leave them as separate stories. Any fans of Regeneration better watch out they may try and make that book part of Prime somehow. . . UGH. . .
bellpeppers
Or how about the Movieverse?
Sumner Sturgeon
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I really like the FOC/ WFC games but dont like Prime. If they force the 2 together I think I may be disliking both. They should just leave them as separate stories. Any fans of Regeneration better watch out they may try and make that book part of Prime somehow. . . UGH. . .
Well, that's your problem, pal, not ours. And if you honestly think that they're going to try to make Regeneration 1, which is explicitly a continuation of the Marvel G1 timeline, part of Prime...well...honestly, nothing more needs to be said.
Grimlockimus
So the story will be the Dinobots after the others leave? And they're protecting the bots who missed the boarding call and trying to find a way off the planet, all the while fighting Shockwave?

If even 1% of this is accurate, then I'm sold.
So pretty safe to say Grimlock survived the situation from the game.
bellpeppers
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And if you honestly think that they're going to try to make Regeneration 1, which is explicitly a continuation of the Marvel G1 timeline, part of Prime...well...honestly, nothing more needs to be said.
You don't think their RETCON button is powerful enough to do that?
Sumner Sturgeon
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So the story will be the Dinobots after the others leave? And they're protecting the bots who missed the boarding call and trying to find a way off the planet, all the while fighting Shockwave?

If even 1% of this is accurate, then I'm sold.
So pretty safe to say Grimlock survived the situation from the game.
Sounds like it, yes. Which is good, because I initially thought from the solicitations that the story would take place somewhere around the general timeframe of "Out of the Past", which would cause some serious fridge logic regarding what they were doing for the last 65 million years.

But yes, even though I was sure of it all along, it's still cool to know for sure that Grimlock survived. I'm willing to bet we'll probably see Shockwave get his gun arm too, given what Grimlock did to his old one.
AxionPrime
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Why is it that whenever I see that picture I just imagine an annoucer saying

Swoop: The Kid
Slug: The Loner
Grimlock: The Lancer (or, The Leader)
Sludge: The Bully
and,
Snarl: The Bodyguard
soundwave142
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Originally Posted by Shinobitron View Post
I really like the FOC/ WFC games but dont like Prime. If they force the 2 together I think I may be disliking both. They should just leave them as separate stories. Any fans of Regeneration better watch out they may try and make that book part of Prime somehow. . . UGH. . .
why would they put something g1 with prime? wfc/foc are not g1 but use the same aligned bible as prime. I dont get how people dont understand this.
orangeitis
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why would they put something g1 with prime? wfc/foc are not g1 but use the same aligned bible as prime. I dont get how people dont understand this.
WFC and FOC are drastically different than Prime, that's why. Especially aesthetic(which is different than art style, mind you). Granted, WFC/FOC don't fit into any 'G1' universe, but aesthetically, they match up with a Primax-cluster universal stream universe perfectly. That I think is the primary source of some of the doubt.
Megastar
Are people still complaining about the Aligned continuity? Just do what I do, shut up and enjoy.
Sumner Sturgeon
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Are people still complaining about the Aligned continuity? Just do what I do, shut up and enjoy.
This guy gets it.
emoo
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honestly, i wonder why Hasbro didn't push High Moon to move their aesthetic MORE in the Prime direction rather than farther away (alter Bumblebee's head to an intermediary between G1 and Prime, streamline Prime and Megs rather than bulking them up) if they are so concerned about the alignment of their aligned continuity.

I mean, it just feels like they are closing their eyes, sticking their fingers in their ears and going "it's all one continuity, it's all one continuity!!!" and ya know what, since Hasbro says it is, it is...

...but it's a dang sloppy way to go about it when you have the 2 primary components of that franchise (Fall of Cybertron and Prime) so completely aesthetically removed from one another. (reminds me of when IDW launched the Ongoing comic and Bumblebee mini-series and the various artists involved weren't using the same character models for stories that were entertwined)
It's not just about high moons designs, Primes designers has done it themselves. In the resent flashback episode on prime it had cliffjumper, starscream, and soundwave while they were still on cybertron still in their prime designs. You could say maybe it was done to save cost on new models but then there is shockwave built for this episode who looks nothing at all like wfc or foc shockwave. Then there was the ep a while back showing both orion pax and cybertron optimus, that was only a still pic and yet neither looked like optimus from the games.
emoo
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Yeah, like maybe they could have given Cliffjumper in Fall of Cybertron his head from the Prime TV show.
Or maybe they could have modeled the Path Blaster in Fall of Cybertron after Optimus Primes gun in Prime.
Or maybe they could have not only shown how the Decepticons acquire the Nemesis starship, but given a reason for the consciousness that animates it in the episode Flying Mind.

They made no effort at all to connect the two storylines.

I'm amazed at the number of people that not only want the storylines to be unconnected, but say the the Cybertron games are closer to G1.
Whether comic or cartoon, the Cybertron games are further in conflict with G1 than they are with Prime.
Except when hm was asked about prime cliffjumpers head, guns, and ships they said they just liked the designs so they used them.
The nemesis itself is another plot hole from games to show. In the flying mind ep megatron seemed shocked and alarmed the ship not only could be capable of thinking for itself but also talk. The way it played out was not surprise at trypticon awakening, but surprise the ship was capable of it at all.
Avengers
Dinobots in season 3 please & make them combine into a gestalt.
Megastar
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Dinobots in season 3 please & make them combine into a gestalt.
You mean like the Beast?

bellpeppers
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why would they put something g1 with prime? wfc/foc are not g1 but use the same aligned bible as prime. I dont get how people dont understand this.
Probably because it's a simple fact that HAS and High Moon were making a G1 game (it's own G1 Universe, not tied to any established) before HAS pulled its half-assed retcon.

When you do something half-assed, it never works out all the way and such has been the case.

It just works better for this new G1 universe to follow the Aligned Continuity, and this PRIME universe to follow the Aligned continuity. It works out better for individual plot / story points... and it works out better for the aesthetic.
Kilowog
Playing what ifs is a lost cause, fact of the matter is that Hasbro made it's move, now gonna wait and see their justification in this comic.

Though honestly? I couldn't give less of a shit anymore after reading so many circular arguments.
Keith Prime
People are still arguing about continuity errors in Aligned, when the G1 cartoon alone had THREE DIFFERENT, CONFLICTING, OVERLAPPING AT TIMES, ORIGINS FOR MEGATRON & THE CONSTRUCTICONS?

Having Exiles & watching Prime (don't have a console for WfC/ FoC, yet), looks like I have to get Rage of the Dinobots. Proably need to get Exodus, if I can find it... (read it via my library)

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