New Transfomers Alternity Details: Figures to Be 1:32 Scale & Die-Cast

More details about the Alternity figure/s from Japanese online retailer Bo-ya.

Vibrant Red ver.
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/bo-ya/532--4904810318996/

Ultimate Silver Metal ver.
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/bo-ya/532--4904810316077/

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This settles the scale and die-cast/plastic debate about the toy.


UPDATE:

TFormers has more info about Alternity:

Well, now that it's confirmed that they're smaller I'm all over this guy...

Hells freaking yes. 1/32nd scale. These are as good as bought.

So on what scale would these figures be? Sorry i never understood these 1/32 and the rest, are these on scale with the classics figures or taller?

About as tall as movie deluxe 08 Camaro Bumblebee. You can use that as your guide as to its size.

Well, based on the comparison picture with Alternity Convoy and Concept Bumblebee at the Tokyo Show, I would guess that they would be on par with the Classics, if not a bit larger (like between Voyager and Deluxe sizes)



Awww...great. Someone beat me to it....oh well.
Moving on, I see that this site lists the price as 3500 yen....but I thought the price was like 4500. What's going on?? Or is it 4700 yen like it says in the small text? How confuzzling...

It means the real car is 32 times bigger than the toy. You take the real cars demensions and divide by 32 and you get the toys dimensions. As a side note 3.75 inch figures are 1/18 scale.

Hmm, sounds interesting actually now. Official scale and die-cast. Although this makes the 4 upcoming BT releases a little confusing to me. Maybe they are just finally putting out convoy in metal for BT and using the Decepticharge version of the s2000. I don't know!

I hope the die-cast metal works out.

I'm trying to grasp this, half the size but pretty much the same price? umm... no thanks.

I think the different reports about pricing have more to do with different retailers putting up preorders for the figure without having a lot of concrete information about it. Than, of course, if you're looking at pricing from an import store... everone on here always seems to forget that you're not actually getting it for the 3500 yen retail, but at the import store's markup price (you know... to cover shipping to the US plus so they can make a little profit?).

Not too sure if I fancy the idea of this to be honest.

The size doesn't bother me, if fact a little smaller would mean I can fit more on my desk

The automorph feature annoys me greatly however. It never seems to do anything but get in the way of a really good figure. I seriously hope it is kept to a minimum. Binaltech didn't need automorph, Masterpiece didn't need it, I would imagine collectors prefer to have complex and interesting transformations rather than 2 two alt-to-bot mode figures.

Seems just daft.

Weird, I always thought Automorph was the one Transformers gimmick that actually didn't get in the way of the figure. Transforming movie Ironhide and 08 Bumblebee for the first time was amazing.

Also, small diecast toys always = big bucks in Japan.

So scale is official. That's interesting. What's annoying is the fact that they've now gone for a scale that would free up the line to be more interesting than just cars (1:32 scale tanks and trucks could be done easily) and they start it off with Convoy... As a car. A proper 1:32 scale approximation of Masterpeice Prime, or even a new movie-styled truck with a more G1 inspired look would have been so much better.

I still need to know if this is a new line or a one-off though.

Awesome.

I cant wait to see what other cars/characters we will be getting with this line.

Coolness, I'm not going to presume it's a full line for now though. It could just be a promotional thing like what they did with Mazda's RX-8 where there was a character colour (Mesiter in white) and a Mazda colours version in red.

That can't be right can it? Alternators are about 5-6 inches and they're 1/24 scale. They'd have to be bigger than an alternator toy to be 1/18

It was hit or miss. Blackout would have been waaay better without it. And as for Masterpeice and Binaltech being examples of toys that didn't need it, I would argue that some of those toys could have used it to make them less frustrating and/or fragile to transform. Does no one remember the hell transforming Binaltech/Alt Smokescreen for the first time? Took me a half hour.

I will keep my pre orders though.

Lots of great stuff is being released.

I'll get it if a cheaper all-plastic solution comes out. I'm not fond of the expensive, heavy, paint-chippy die-cast some people are so enamored of, which is -- let's be honest here -- really just a novelty throwback to a gimmick that rode the boat over from Diaclone to Transformers anyways.

Plus the scale is all wrong. No 1:24? No thanks...

What a way to "Bring back" the Binaltech line...by killing it right out of the starting gate.

I'm very happy that these guys will be die-cast. Otherwise, they wouldn't be much more than regular deluxes. I'm definitely keeping my preorder for the red one, but I'll probably cancel the silver. I never intended on getting both anyway. I'll still wait for pics of Alternity Convoy painted in both colors before deciding.

I feel the complete opposite. This line will last a while, I am done with BT's.

It will be interesting to see if Hasbro will release a sports car Optimus Prime. I doubt it. So I'm keeping my pre orders.

I could do without the die-cast, I prefer painted plastic, over painted die-cast or bare plastic. At 1/32 scale the GT-R doesn't seem like such an essential purchase, but the pre-orders will stay unless I get strapped for cash nearer the time.

You know now I'm more confused than ever. Happywell, with their 1/32 and 1/18 scale Alternator Wannabe's dodged a bullet on copyrighted figures, now that this "alternity" line is coming out in 1/32, can Happywell do a 1/24 scale GTR?

And yeah I'm on the F*&k Automorph technology bit. Fine for the movie line, but you take out the entire fun of transforming stuff. Not to mention the Conversion difficulty level will get all mucked up.

That being said, I just preordered both GTR's.

Very interesting- I've felt the 1:24 figures were too large.

This leaves the possibility open for a 1:32 die-cast Jazz, who would be the perfect compliment for the Classics.

I'll just wait & see how this turns out. too many things coming out for 08'..<sigh>

The Alernity is 1/32. Alternators/BT's are 1/24. 25th Joes, Star Wars, and Indy are 1/18. And those 12 inch RAH are around 1/6 scale. But I'd say that percision in toys is probably not that high.

Think of it like this the 1 in 1/32 is the real dimensions of the thing your reducing in size. The 32 is what you divide the real dimension by to get the reduced size.

So let's say the length on something you want in 1/32 scale is 2 metres long. 2 metres is 200 cm. So divide 200/32 and you get the 1/32 scale legnth 6.25 cm.

Hmmm, I'm iffy on die cast and Automorphs are a mixed bag when it comes to being successful in a toy...

I'll wait for a review.

Most Alt/BT figures landed at around 7 inches in robot mode, placing them at 14 feet tall in real life.

At 1:32 scale (which is not "half the size"), Alternity robot modes should now be about 5 1/4 inches, if we assume the transform patterns are not significantly more "lean" or "stocky" than BT (ie: TFA Prowl vs TFA Bulkhead).

hmmm, i'm going to have to see more final pics to make a decision, but if this became a real "line" i think i would be happy.
totally agree ~ it wasn't flawless, but overall i thought "automoroh" was the best gimmick since it was decided that "transforming" wasn't gimmick enough, and actually added to the figures. The first time i TF'd Movie Ironhide i must have done the bit with his legs 8-9-10 times 'cuz it was just that awesome.
exactly, and can a GIJoe sit in an alternator? no, cuz they're eon a bigger scale, relative to alts. they aren't bigger cuz a 1:24 car is still bigger than a 1:18 human
most of the automorphing was like 1 minor step in an over-all fairly complex transformation, or just added detail like how Jazz's headlights pulled back and in, i didn't think it took away from the transformations at all on the figures i got.
have those ever been correct? they just slap the same number across all size classes: pretty sure Arm. Megatrons was a "4" and all he did was lay down...

I think this coculd be the best line ever, it's like a true modern G1.

Exactly. GI Joes are SMALLER than Alternators, but they're LARGER scale. An Alternator at 1/18 would be big enough to fit your Joes in.

I wish they'd do some 1/24 Joes, so I can display Snake Eyes with my Alts. Didn't they have "Battle Packs" or something at one point?

Also, what scale is MP Prime? He's close to Alt scale, so much so that most of us display our MPs and Alts as though they were the same series. Still, he's a little bit smaller scale, I believe. And Starscream, well... even if he had measued up to Optimus, he'd have been a teeny jet next to a freightliner. A MP Screamer to scale with Optimus in vehicle mode would transform to tower over him, wouldn't he?

That's also why we got "Gorillascream" in the movie. Had a real jet turned into a robot that wasn't so wide, he would have been twenty feet taller than Optimus.

From Teletraan I:

"Scale in Transformers is, not to put too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of Transformers has presented scale in a logical or believable fashion. (The only exceptions are the 1:24 toys for Alternators and Kiss Players, but they have their own problems.) Most fans agree that one must either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to explain these problems and in the process fanwank themselves into oblivion. "

I hope Hasbro releases these in plastic, perhaps at the $15USD price point currently occupied by the Star Wars and Marvel Crossover toys? These Alternity things are undoubtably more complex than deluxes, but not as large as Voyagers, so $15 would be fair.

Alterntors are closer to 8 inches tall. But at any rate, the scaling is correct. Alteranators are 1/24 scale compared to their real life car counterpart. The 3.75 inch figures (i.e. "regular size" GI Joe figures) are 1/18 scale to their human counterpart. That's where you probably had the confusion from...2 different scales of 2 different real life sizes. A 1/24 scale of humans would probably be about the size of the old M.A.S.K. figures (maybe too big) or the smaller scale GI Joe Sigma Six figures (maybe too small).

OK, I'm on board with this news. I've pre-ordered both colors. Now, if they can just carry it and turn it into an actual full-fledged line, I'd be happy.

The name frightens me a little though. Alternity makes me think alternate-reality which makes me think each figure will be just one more alternative reality figure, none of them fitting together. Please don't make it Convoy after Convoy. Give me a full line of 1/32 scale Transformers with Die-Cast, one every three to four months, and I'll be a happy camper.

So...they're deluxe-sized Binaltechs? Alright, I can do that. Speaking of Binaltechs, is Takara still going to release the newer ones (Blue Bluestreak, Silver Meister, Arcee, and Convoy), or are they cancelling them now?

Now THAT would be kinda cool. Alternate Reality versions of characters... In that situation I could easily swallow Prime as a Nissan. Start mixing things up a little...

Make the Stunticons into an aerial acrobatics team, and the seekers as a team of police cars... Prowl becomes an sleek, black, animated-like ninja bike... And bumblebee becomes a yellow and black Gee Bee... haha...

There's a lot of cool possibilities there!

I'd really rather Hasbro do something along the line of when they used to sell Japanese import Beast wars figs through there website and actually bring the real product over ad sell it through Hasbro Toy Shop. I would look forward to seeing them there with a red ""out of stock" button.

I think the "ity" is just to make them sound smaller...like ity-bity. Ity-bity Alternators=smaller Alternators=Alternity.

I'm trying to decide if this is worth buying or not. First off, for Binaltech and Alternators, I only bought Alternators, partly in an attempt to support Hasbro, and partly because I couldnt afford paying twice as much for a heavier version of the same figures. The Alternators were too large to interact with RiD or Classics, but they went pretty well with BW.

Now, we have Alternators-esque figures that probably can fit in with Classics. So far, we only have news of them in Japan, with die cast, which I won't be buying. If Hasbro markets them in America (and I believe at this year's Botcon, they did hint at "finding ways" to bring Alternators back), I would probably want to buy them, but I guess I would have to give them their own shelf. They're too small for my Alternators, and most of the characters will probably be duplicates of my Classics.

Still, as long as the engineering is as cool as the Alternators were, they're probably gonna be worth having.

I'm glad to see that the two colors are the character's and car's signature colors, similar to Meister, Prowl and Tracks (pretty much what I suspected). It adds some hope that this is more like a full line rather than a temporary everyone-has-the-same-mold like Nike Free.

While I am sad to see the end of Binaltech per se (after having "died" several times), if its spirit lives on in Alternity, with a similar philosophy of detail, realism and articulation, and if they can secure plenty of hot new cars and maybe even take a second shot at the previously uncooperative car makers in the light of the live-action movie, this could be pretty nice. Given how stretched out the Binaltech line was, with many of the vehicles discontinued or significantly facelifted by their second or third use, it was always going to take either repeating characters or re-inventing the line in order to pump new cars through.

Convoy would have been a no-brainer if we'd known it was a new line - there's very few lines where he's not the first out or in the first wave (in un-numbered lines, like Classics). BT was one of the few exceptions, and now BT-22 Convoy and Alternity #1 Convoy bookend the transition from BT to Alternity. BTW, that sounds like the name of a movie.

I do hope they balance the mix of Cybertrons vs Destrons from the beginning.

(Exactly how are we going to use to abbreviate that name? We can't call them Alts...)

Automorph mechanism incorporated for ease of transformation

Kinda takes the fun out of it, doesn't it?

It's been pointed out that "Alternity" is something that was referenced in BT Black Convoy's profile story. Thus, it's probable that this story will follow that continuity

How about "Alty"? ... Alty Convoy.... hmm.

Begging yer pardon, sir, but why do I suddenly crave pancakes?

I love die cast, I love detailed, but at $50 each, considering I used to get much larger binaltechs at that price, I think I'll be passing on this line. I've got too much invested in my bts to start up on another expensive import-only line. with the US universe/classics, I get mostly the same (realistic cars, good transformations) for 1/5 the price.

MP Prime scale is around 1/24. Being that the G1 Prime and the G1 cars are about in scale. And that the size difference between alterantors and MP Prime is around the same as G1 Prime and G1 cars. Umm that's comfuzzling isnt it? I has pictures to make it clearer.

MP Prime and Alts


G1's


MP Prime is only a little out of scale with the Alts. So while he isn't exactly 1/24, he's close enough to work.

On the MP jet mold. Yes he's probably 1/64 scale. A fighter jet is probably 3 times the size of a car or 2 times the size of a truck.

Well they once did release him as a sports car at the end of Generation 2