Those artifacts need to charge up before use. The Decepticon's would have just shoot one of the canisters by that time and do you think the main Cons who know what the artifacts can do would just stand there and let the Autobots use them?

 

I don't recall it being said or shown anywhere that the artifacts require a "charge time" and can't just be used on demand. Even if the Decepticons are ready for them, the Autobots have pulled off more unlikely gambits in the past just because it was written that way. This was a situation that was, despite the situation essentially being in the Autobots favor, was written to make it look like the Autobots just refused to consider using the tools at their disposal to attempt a rescue.

All I'm saying is that once again, instead of feeling natural, events played out the way they did just because it was written to, not because it made sense or felt natural to the characters.

 

I agree with all of this. The writers wanted Transformers Prime to be great, but as a result they rushed all of the plot points to the point where it felt unnatural and forced most of the time. If a writer really does want their show to be "great" he/she needs to let the plot flow and go at it's natural pace so that it can put all of the greatness into place.

 

That is a very good point. It's as if the show is trying too hard to be "epic" rather than just coming up with a new, interesting story of its own and running with it.

 

As someone who aggressively defended this series back when it first aired, I funny enough find myself in the same boat as Gog.
I really wanted to like this series. I really want to defend this series. But after the piling of criticism after criticism, someone even as stubborn as I am can't ignore the egregious failings of this show and it's writers.

I feel like I'm going through the same crap I did with the movies. At first I really like what they're doing and try and defend what I like about it only to be made the fool in the end and have to conceded to the reality that it sucks.
It doesn't help the fact, being a Optimus fan boy that I am, that both recent incarnations, being the return of Peter Calen to the character, both became nothing more then jokes for the fandom to obnoxiously mock for a cheap giggle. And rightly so, as they are terribly written characters. But that doesn't make it any less depressing.

I didn't see DOTM, and much like that I really don't think I have it in me to bother with season 3 of TFP. After everything that's happened in the show, and what I know is coming, there really isn't anything left for me to enjoy.
Which is a shame, because I have little to no interest in the comics and none what so ever in the up coming 4th film.

 

Just curious: Did any of the pod cast hosts get the Prime video game yet?

 

Listening right now, but I do have a point. Playing devil's advocate, but Optimus is dramatically different in this episode compared to the beginning of the season, (i.e. not killing Megatron when he had the chance) but, this was kind of touched on recently. It was commented that Optimus was being odd and secretive, ever since his conversation with Alpha Trion. Maybe, just speculation here, but maybe AT told Optimus something that made him not want to kill Megatron. Alpha Trion was stated to have an understanding of the prophecies of Primus, and an understanding of future events. We also know that we don't know everything Alpha T told Optimus. Now, chances are, this is completely un-related, but that could be a possible justification to be revealed next season. Who knows?  

 

I agree on your points but would also add that I think another of Prime's problems is that it's too serious and/or focused on the main plots. You can have a great episodic show where the big plots go by fast and don't really hit hard, if you can tune in and just enjoy the characters doing "fun" stuff. I'm not saying it should be wacky or slapstick, but think of a show like Cowboy Bebop - 90% of the episodes are completely standalone but the adventures are fun to watch all the same. I think the whole relic hunt would have been fine if they took a backseat to "fun" adventures instead of playing each and every one as a serious battle every week. The viewer fatigues when each week is set up as super-important but ultimately is self-contained. You know the bad guys are not going to win the overall war each week and so ultimately it needs to have something else other than feigning tension each week. Or, you could actually follow through on the tension and show consequences (having Bulkhead with permanent injuries, Mecha-Silas doing more, have the relics each do more than be a MacGuffin and then used 1-2 times later after, etc)

Basically, I feel the show needs to pick a side - serious battles with real consequences or episodic show that's more about enjoying the characters.

I'll definitely be watching season 3 though - it feels like they may be taking the show in a bit of a new direction and maybe once this transition (or you could even all it a retool) is over, the show can go down a better path.

 

For the most part I agreed with everything stated in this episode. But what I really want to discuss, or just state my opinion on, is the prospect of Gogdog leaving the show - I don't think he should.

Yes, there have been times where I didn't agree with his opinion but that doesn't mean he's wrong nor does it mean that his opinions carry no value. More importantly I find that he's the only member of the podcast who really gets passionate about the show and lets his feelings and emotions influence his thoughts. It's having this specific aspect that makes the podcast worth listening to for me. Then there's also the fact that he has the best predictions and it always gets me hyped to watch the next episode.

Vangelus and Aaron both seem to always be looking at the "glass half full" and generally evaluate the show more on an objective and technical basis. This is a great and fair method of looking at the show as well, but I don't want it to be the only way.

Regardless of what's said on the podcast, I don't listen to it for validation of my opinions. I listen to the show because I'm interested in what others thought. Do I have to agree with everyone's opinion? No. But as long as you can backup your statement then I will respect what you've said. And that's the number one thing Gogdog does best - he's always clearly explained why he agreed/disagreed with something.

 

  I really want to see an animation of movie Prime using the Star Saber

 

QFT! I feel the exact same way, but thats just my opinion. I haven't had the chance to listen to this episode yet, but dif Gog say people were complaining about his views on the show?

 

I think it's Gogdog's choice to leave if he wants. It's like with me. After Dreadwing met his end, there's really nothing I like about the show anymore.

Why watch something if you don't like it?

 

For sure if he's done with prime, being done with primetime is completely understandable. However, if he is leaving because people complain about his opinion...that's not cool.

 

This is just my opinion, so don't crucify me.

I think Gog would be making the right decision to leave the podcast if he truly didn't like the show anymore. Honestly, it was a little uncomfortable listening to his meltdown on this latest podcast. I understand how he feels, and obviously he's entitled to his opinions. But he's right. It's not fun to listen to a podcast when the hosts just bash on something the whole time. Most of us are probably listening because we like the show and want to feel like we're involved in a discussion about it. I really love listening to Gogs insight into the show so I really hope season 3 turns it around for him. But if not, and he decides to step aside, I understand and would applaud him for making the right decision.

 

That's not the case.

 

Hopefully GogDog will come back to the show - I did enjoy hearing his input on the various episodes. But, I can fully understand that he feels the show isn't for him anymore, and if you can't find anything good to say...well, probably best to move on.

For my part, I still enjoy the show, and I'm looking forward to Beast Hunters.

 

LOL good, I'd like to hope you wouldn't let a few negative nancies get to you that bad.

 

Gogdog I agreed with so many of your points!


Another great show Guys!

 

This is the best summary ever

 

I'm sad that GogDog's leaving Prime Time, but I completely understand why he's doing it and respect his decision. This episode was a good listen though, some good points were brought up about the Prime finale.