WTF Primetime - 28 - Loose Cannons - March 27 2012

Discussion in 'WTF @ TFW Transformers Podcast' started by Vangelus, Mar 31, 2012.

  1. GogDog

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    Nah, it's fine, and you're technically right. I just try not to think about the movies. :lol 
     
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    I can't say I blame you, the movies are the second worst Transformers incarnation. The first is Armada which is the one I try not to think about. Just for me personally the movies were actually my first introduction the the Wreckers sense I never read any of the comics.

    Plus I have a HA and Deluxe Roadbuster sitting in vehicle mode by my TV. I wish I had a Target close by so I could get Leadfoot. He's the one I really wanted only because the number on his car is 42. I'm also a fan of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, not the movie version, so even though it's not a direct reference I just want the 42 car!
     
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    I like DOTM Roadbuster but I also keep forgetting he has a name. :lol  I often think of him as Baseball Cap Robot Man.
     
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    Ahem, I think you mean the first is Energon. Armada actually had redeeming factors.
     
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    Lol great podcast ^ ^ When do you think we'll get to hear the latest prime episode ? just started listening to these.
     
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    That's right, you bettter not diss vocaloid, cause this rabid fanboy is gonna kick some ass at botcon if it happens again :lol 

    you don't mess with my luka (and miku as well cause she's my second fave vocaloid)
     
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    The animated Jet twins I believe where said to be made from a split spark in the pack in comic they came with. Not 100% sure.
     
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    Armada has NO redeeming factors. I can't watch any episode of that without pointing out at least 3 different continuity errors. That's just in the first season, it's like 6 continuity errors per episode in season 2 and 9 in season 3. I wish I could say I'm exaggerating but this is actually an understatement. Armada is completely unwatchable.

    As bad as Armada is, I almost didn't even watch Energon because the entire time I'd be sitting there pointing out continuity errors. Then I came up with the only method for watching Energon that doesn't result in me complaining about every single continuity error. Ignore the fact that it's a sequel to Armada. As a stand alone series Energon is a good series. Cliffjumper and Downshift switch names from their toys but that's actually consistent for the entire series unlike Armada where characters are inconsistently and constantly in every single episode called by the wrong names.

    What I mean by consistent is that Downshift and Cliffjumper's names were reversed in at all times in the series to the point where I just accepted that Cliffjumper was the one who looks like Wheeljack and Downshift was the dune buggy even though the toys say the opposite.

    Inconsistently every episode meaning that within the same episode the same character could be called by 2 or 3 different names. Usually all of which are wrong. This would happen for the entire series were someone is always called by 2 or 3 different wrong names. Grindor and Sureshock would switch names back and forth. Most of the time it was Optimus Prime who never knew anyone's name but a few times the kids did it too. There's only one time in the entire series when Sparkplug's name is used correctly and Optimus Prime is not the one who says it, it's like right after Optimus calls him Leader-1 for the 10 millionth time and I believe in the same episode where Optimus dies. It's not just Mini-cons, full sized Transformers get called by the wrong name too. I think at one point it was so bad that Demolishor was called Cyclonus and then started speaking with Cyclonus' voice.

    Energon never gets that bad... unless you take into account that they're part of the same continuity then it's worse. I try to forget that otherwise I'd never watch Energon in the first place. Cybertron is really easy to do that with because that was never intended to be part of the same continuity in the first place and Hasbro did very little to make it fit. So just ignore that extra scene they put in there and pretend Armada doesn't exist.

    I just hope when Prime comes out with the episode Armada that it is just a generic title and not a reference to the series.
     
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    Great podcast! Really enjoyed it!
     
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    Quick comment re: split sparks - Topspin/Twin Twist wasn't the first time we got that.

    You forget the more well-known but easy to forget Rampage/Dinobot II. Whose relationship re: split sparks is kinda similar to Skyquake/Dreadwing, I'd wager.
     
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    I was wondering are some of the errors in Armada an Energon fan fixable - could you edit the names out from another spot and put them back in the right place for example - with modern editing software would it be possible ?

    It should be easier to do that than it is to redo the sound on a whole episode of a Japanese Masterforce cartoon.

    Armada just means a group of vehicles traveling together (usually ships) but sometimes other things - but usually if it's ground vehicle you'd say Convoy and I have heard Airmada used for planes.

    I can't see it would be an ideal fit for Vehicons or Insecticons - but I suppose it might work for some kind of human mass military movement or a lot of space craft.

    I don't expect a fleet of Transformers Space craft is going to show up unless it's something like Ultra Magnus & Ironhide leading a legion of Auto-troopers. It would be fun to see something like that - but I don't expect it on a CGI show's budget.
     
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    That actually was mentioned really quickly as Megatron in Beast Wars... and then he got interrupted before finishing that thought. He was about to mention Rampage and Dinobot.

    Technically you could but the issues are a lot more than just characters being called by the wrong name. Like there's a full episode in Armada where the kids are being chased around by Unicron and Sideways is the one who saves them but later on the series Sideways straight up says that he is Unicron. Like Sideways was never his own person just an extension of Unicron which doesn't make any sense because in episodes before that they were played as totally separate characters. You'd have to redub that entire scene to remove the explanation of how Unicron and Sideways are actually the same character.

    There's also the introduction of Tidal Wave where he's described as a great military leader only to be the stereotype "loyal to Megatron" character and so dumb he makes Animated Lugnut look smart character DIRECTLY AFTER his character description is delivered by Thrust. Thrusts line would have to be completely redubbed to save that scene.

    Thrust himself was introduced as a strategic mastermind which is also how RID Sky-Byte was introduced. Both characters turned out to be crazy idiots HOWEVER Sky-Byte was explained that he went crazy after being launched into space before that he was portrayed exactly as his character was originally described. Thrust on the other hand was only cool during the short time when you see him sneaking around but he never speaks. After that he apparently goes crazy for no reason at all. You'd probably have to animate an entire new episode to make his character work. Or just change the dialog so he's crazy from the start, either way something you can't simply edit.

    I think redubbing is actually easier because then you can make the characters say anything you want as long as it goes with the animation. Re-editing a series using only the original recordings of the actual voice cast is hard.

    I should also point out that sense there's only one time in the series that Sparkplug is called by the correct name that exact same sound clip would have to be played every single time his name is spoken. It would sound kink of odd if Optimus Prime was speaking with Rad's voice or who ever actually correctly called him Sparkplug. It'd also sound weird because the emotion would never change. So if the character is calm, stressed, angry, or whatever other emotion Sparkplug would always be said with that same emotion in the voice as that one sound clip that exists of his name. You actually need to redub every single line for every character who ever interacts with Sparkplug so they can all his name right. Mostly Optimus Prime.

    Actually Armada has nothing to do with vehicles. An Armada is another way of saying an army. So a bunch of soldiers moving on foot could still be an armada. That word has actually been around longer than vehicles have existed so originally the only thing they'd be ridding if anything would be horses.

    See above. The Insecticons actually could be considered an Armada sense they are part of the Decepticon army.
     
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    When Wheeljack was talking about thee inactivity of Prime, I immediately thought that it would be amazing to see his reaction to Prime in the movies
     
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    The word came from the Spanish and Portuguese words for a fleet of ships, and that's classically what it means. Englishmen started using it after the Spanish created their large fleet of wooden ships that eventually got destroyed of the English coast. Nowadays, it is usually applied to flotillas of ships, and sometimes airplanes. You are sort of right in that in can mean a human army, but it was only applied to human groups retroactively after its wide use referring to ships, planes, and even old spanish galleons (which are in fact vehicles). So yea, it has everything to do with vehicles :p 
     
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    "Spanish, from Medieval Latin armata army, fleet, from Latin, feminine of armatus, past participle of armare to arm, from arma"

    Armada - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Armada | Define Armada at Dictionary.com

    "Armada is the Spanish and Portuguese word for naval fleet, or an adjective meaning 'armed'; Armáda is the Czech and Slovak for armed forces."

    Armada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    See, nothing to do with vehicles. The word actually means an army of armed soldiers. Some times vehicles are a part of that but if you're unarmed you would not be an Armada. The vehicles in all the examples given would also be filled with armed soldiers and would likely have weapons on the vehicles as well.

    BTW Several links to Transformers Armada popped up while I was researching this so thanks for the nightmares. :( 
     
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    Sorry :(  but yea i looked that up too. You what you need to have in a naval fleet? Boats. You know what boats are? vehicles. the adjective part of it is only in the Spanish language. Vehicles dont have to be electrical to qualify as vehicles. Yes, you are correct that it can refer to the armed forces in general, but most of the time when people use it, it's in reference to a fleet of ships. Just because it can also mean people doesnt mean you should throw out the "fleet"
     
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    The most non Movie Prime Prime Optimus gets is not showing any emotion.

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
     
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    Yes boats are vehicles, ARMED vehicles, piloted by the ARMY. I'm not arguing that boats aren't vehicle, I'm arguing that any large group of vehicles can be an armada. The word only applies to MILITARY vehicles AND also to soldiers. I'm not throwing out the fleet, I'm just saying that there doesn't have to be a fleet for it to be an Armada.

    Basically...

    A bunch of armed soldiers walking on foot is an armada.

    A bunch of military vehicles is also an armada.

    A bunch of civilian vehicles is NOT an armada.

    The thing is when it was said that an armada was just a bunch of vehicles that could mean any vehicles and that it specifically had to refer to vehicles which are both wrong. When I said it has nothing to do with vehicles what I meant was it does not have to include vehicles at all and if it does they specifically have to be military not civilian. I never said that it doesn't include vehicles just that it doesn't have to.