Legend of Zelda Timeline -Strscrm2006

flamepanther · 12-24-2007, 07:54 PM

Miyamoto has stated that A Link to The Past is supposed to take place after the original two games, not before. Nintendo's marketing has occasionally contradicted this, but they didn't make the games. Moreover, Nintendo of America has messed with the Zelda stories at least once before, so their timeline was already screwed up before the third game was even released. When choosing between the people who made the games and the people who sell them, I'll prefer the word of the creators.

strscrm · 12-24-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sol Fury

I took Four Swords to take place after A Link to the Past, on the grounds that it was originally included with the GBA release.
Also, in the link up mode, the Seasons / Ages games have a final shot on the ending which kind of implies that they feature the same Link as Link's Awakening, and fit into the continuity right before that title. Impa in those games is a large motherly looking woman, so presumably it can't be any other part of the continuity since most of the other parts show Impa in different guises (you could almost arrange a continuity by how Impa looks in each of her appearances - from young swordswoman, to the plump motherfigure, to the old woman in the cloak shown in the manual to the first Zelda. Maybe being a sage granted her some form of slow aging?)

Apparently there is an official Nintendo chronology for all the Zelda games, they just never made it public.

I do like the way you have your chronology set up, though. The beauty of the Zelda series is that while the titles are tied in, they leave the connections open enough for someone with no real knowledge of the series to pick up a title and understand the basic history.

There have been many Impas. The first notable Impa was the Sheikah who served as Zelda's bodyguard in Ocarina of Time. She became a Sage and did a lot of work for the homeless. Much like the names of Link and Zelda, after OoT Impa, all handmaidens of Hyrule Castle would be named Impa as a great honor, although not all were Sheikah.

GogDog · 12-25-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by flamepanther

Miyamoto has stated that A Link to The Past is supposed to take place after the original two games, not before.

Do you have a link to an article where he says that. I just have a hard time understanding why they named the game A Link to the Past if it took place in the future.

GigatronSama · 12-25-2007, 07:19 PM

I gave up on a timeline a while back. Too much contradicts in order to make one seamless world. It looks like there is likely more than one Zelda universe with similar individuals existing, but whom take differing paths.

For instance, clearly A link to the Past, and Link's Awakening are connected games. It's possible that the oracle games are an interquel between the two games.

Compare that however to the four swords series. The Minish Cap, Four Swords, and Four Swords Adventures. These games give totally different facts about the world in which they occur, for instance, there is no Triforce, and instead there is a "light Force" which seems to be an invisible magic that Zelda controls, rather than any physical artifact, there is no Master Sword and Ganon's origin is significantly different, being in this universe a Desert nomad, rather than the Gerudo King.

Then you've got the 3D games which seem to have started all over at Ocarina of Time. Of course then it gets complicated since it seems it branches off between Windwaker and Twilight Princess.

Seeing as Miyamoto will likely only ever tease at there being any timeline at all, it probably doesn't exist. Miyamoto himself has always said that the game comes before the story anyway.

GogDog · 12-25-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GigatronSama

I gave up on a timeline a while back. Too much contradicts in order to make one seamless world. It looks like there is likely more than one Zelda universe with similar individuals existing, but whom take differing paths.

For instance, clearly A link to the Past, and Link's Awakening are connected games. It's possible that the oracle games are an interquel between the two games.

Compare that however to the four swords series. The Minish Cap, Four Swords, and Four Swords Adventures. These games give totally different facts about the world in which they occur, for instance, there is no Triforce, and instead there is a "light Force" which seems to be an invisible magic that Zelda controls, rather than any physical artifact, there is no Master Sword and Ganon's origin is significantly different, being in this universe a Desert nomad, rather than the Gerudo King.

Then you've got the 3D games which seem to have started all over at Ocarina of Time. Of course then it gets complicated since it seems it branches off between Windwaker and Twilight Princess.

Seeing as Miyamoto will likely only ever tease at there being any timeline at all, it probably doesn't exist. Miyamoto himself has always said that the game comes before the story anyway.

Yeah, I'll go with that answer.

flamepanther · 12-26-2007, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GogDog

Do you have a link to an article where he says that. I just have a hard time understanding why they named the game A Link to the Past if it took place in the future.

Yes, I do.

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Originally Posted by Shigeru Miyamoto

Ocarina of Time is the first story, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past. It's not very clear where Link's Awakening fits in--it could be anytime after Ocarina of Time.

quoted from this interview: http://www.miyamotoshrine.com/theman...s/111998.shtml originally from Nintendo Power.

Incidentally, the original title of the game is "Kamigami no Triforce" or "Triforce of The Gods". NoA changed it to "A Link To The Past," probably to avoid offending religious nut parents at first glance. Besides being an obvious play on the name of the hero Link, the title, to me, seems to come from the history of Hyrule and the backstory on Gannon that we are given for the first time in the series. The story provides a link to the past, rather than taking place in it. Regrettably, that title, however clever and appropriate, does have the unfortunate side effect of implying sequelhood to many people, including quite a few at Nintendo.

GogDog · 12-26-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by flamepanther

Yes, I do.quoted from this interview: http://www.miyamotoshrine.com/theman...s/111998.shtml originally from Nintendo Power.

Incidentally, the original title of the game is "Kamigami no Triforce" or "Triforce of The Gods". NoA changed it to "A Link To The Past," probably to avoid offending religious nut parents at first glance. Besides being an obvious play on the name of the hero Link, the title, to me, seems to come from the history of Hyrule and the backstory on Gannon that we are given for the first time in the series. The story provides a link to the past, rather than taking place in it. Regrettably, that title, however clever and appropriate, does have the unfortunate side effect of implying sequelhood to many people, including quite a few at Nintendo.

Thank you for sharing that. I was wrong.

strscrm · 12-29-2007, 12:58 AM

It will be interesting to see where they take the Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass timeline from here. At the end of WW, Ganon became the new Master Sword pedestal, all stone with the sword sticking out of his head underneath the sea. Then Phantom Hourglass was great and showed how well the DS can properly support a Zelda game and have all the right elements to tell a great story. Its interesting that it was a Timeline One version of Timeline Two's Link's Awakening. It had nothing to do with Ganon or the Master Sword, so it will be interesting how Nintendo brings back both seeing how they are buried below tons of water.

Sol Fury · 12-29-2007, 07:35 AM

Maybe they won't. The Zelda universe has potential to give rise to some other villains, like Vaati. I'd personally like to see some Timeline one versions of guys like him, Onox and Veran.

(bearing in mind I'm only halfway through Phantom Hourglass right now, two dungeons cleared and one more to go (?))

Teratron · 01-02-2008, 07:15 PM

So where did the name Gustav come from? Was that something in Minish Cap that I just forgot about? Or is that from some obscure source that I just haven't heard of before? I have to admit, as much as I absolutely love the Zelda series and trying to piece together the storyline, I haven't found any Zelda sites that I like enough to frequent, so I could have missed some stuff.