SPRINGER/SANDSTORM FINAL COMPARiSONS(g1 cartoon accuracy,decision help)

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by shadeozero, May 13, 2013.

  1. toretilo

    toretilo Well-Known Member

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    Springer is sexy, but Sandstorm looks an orange Springer with 2 big wheels to me, I'd not get both the original and the retool of a character that was not a retool originally, unless they look as different as classics Tracks and Wheeljack, and these don't.
    Well, see it cause I prefer the digibash over the retool, not everybody has to share your tastes and no need to call it trash.
     
  2. Incepticon

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    This. And no amount of the mythical "always better" Takara paint will make either of these more G1 cartoon accurate since their bot & alt modes look NOTHING like their G1 selves to begin with.
     
  3. Primus_feather

    Primus_feather Well-Known Member

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    Um.. it has been mentioned neither Gen30 mold is ment resemble G1, right? They are both based on
    Nicks FOC designs, which are as G1 as foc Optimus! So camparing these to that is kinda pointless...
     
  4. PredaconElder

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    Technically they are G1 since Roche's comics occur in a G1 universe.
     
  5. PowermasterJazz

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    Cartoon/comic accuracy be damned, Generations Springer is just a better quality and more affordable toy. FP loses this one big time.
     
  6. darkunor

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    ......and yet the day TT announce a masterpiece springer that has exactly the same alt modes which would be terrible boxes with wheels/rotors with only passing resemblance to actual vehicles, Starscream Gaga would place a pre-order just like he/she has done with the last 5 or 6 masterpieces released! :lol 

    Good thread!
     
  7. General Magnus

    General Magnus Da Custodes of the Emprah

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    If anything Sandstorm just proves there is no way Hasbro can please this self entitled fandom.

    Also G1 Springer is/was trash. Come at me fanboys.
     
  8. AAarcher221

    AAarcher221 NomDePlume: Jimmy Rustler

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    Pfft...Sandstorm is kibbly? The second he comes to consumers, somebody's gonna either find out the pictures have him mistransformed or fanmode the crap out of that backpack.

    Personally, you should not have used one reference material (the G1 cartoon). Yeah, you mentioned you don't read the comics, but there a lot of source material to go around, such as TFWiki, for example (not wikia, it's wiki).
     
  9. MrSoundmeister

    MrSoundmeister Bang,Bang Boom!

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    I got's your back lad.
     
  10. Prime Jetscream

    Prime Jetscream HE PULLS THE STRINGS AND HE MAKES THEM RING

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    If you're going for G1 accuracy, then I'd say Generations Sandstorm's robot mode wins.
    However, I'm not going for G1 accuracy, therefore, Generations Springer and Sandstorm > everything.
    Sandstorm's VTOL mode is just so frickin' awesome.
     
  11. Starscream Gaga

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    Well yeah... But there's a difference between a line based solely on being as accurate to the cartoon as possible and a line based around modernizing old designs.
     
  12. [Wing_Saber-X]

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    count me in :lol  G1 Springer really is not a toy worthy in my collection, IMHO.
     
  13. Erland

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    I have the IDW Springer and will get the IDW Sandstorm as well to replace my GDO Sandstorm
     
  14. darkunor

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    But the OP does infact acknowledge this, the point of this thread was to show how sandstorm and springer could be more toon accurate with repaints and retooling or the lack of them for that matter. And with springer he shows which version is actually more accurate to the G1 cartoon...that is of course if you're interested in a more G1 accurate representation of the character. He didn't state that this figure was better than that figure. But yet you went on one of your laughable anti-G1 tirades, totally predicatable, but that's water under the bridge!

    I'm still trying to understand this.....like you said yourself G1 springer's alt-modes are terrible boxes with wheels/rotors with only passing resemblance to actual vehicles (not that they were aiming for the actual vehicle look but more of a futuristic/cybertronian look!?)..but yet when an MP figure comes out in the exact same likeness of this box with wheels, you'll actually but it? WTF???????????????

    You must really have a lot of cash to blow because that's one of the most ******ed things I've heard! I could understand if you just didn't like the G1 show but liked the design or aesthetics then, yeah, it would make sense why you'll spend money on it, but when you don't even like the design or aesthetic but yet will spend money on a figure made exactly in it's likeness that's just plain dumb and weird to me.

    I'm not trying to troll or insult but I'm just having a difficult time trying to get a grasp of your thought process!
     
  15. Buford

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    As was mentioned earlier in this thread, the new Springer is not in any way designed to be G1 cartoon accurate. None of his three modes look like the old '86 Springer toy either, which as far as I'm concerned is a good thing, as the old toy is frankly pretty terrible. It's a kinda-humanoid brick that turns into a brick with wheels and as a bonus also can be a brick with a rotor on top. I had that thing back in the day, and it was crap.

    What the new Springer is designed to be accurate to is Roche's design from Last Stand of the Wreckers. You can't expect something designed to look like a particular thing to look like something else. It does a pretty good job of emulating the comic design, though, as can be seen by comparing these two pics I posted in another thread:
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  16. Starscream Gaga

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    Darkunor, what on earth are babbling on about? My "anti-G1 tirades"? What? I love G1, why do you seem to attack me as if I hate it with a burning passion and want everyone to hate it with me, or even that I have a history of complaining about G1 (which I very much don't)? I have never even implied I even dislike G1, but nope, here you go ranting against an imaginary opinion that I have.

    And what does my Masterpiece collection have to do with anything? Like, really? You mention it whenever you're talking to me as if its a big thing that I collect Masterpieces (I also collect Classics and some G1 too, SHOCK!) when it really has nothing to do with anything. Masterpiece is a wonderful line of beautifully done cartoon-accurate figures, is there something wrong with someone who sometimes prefers other versions of characters rather then G1 to collect it? I still love the cartoon and its designs and its aesthetics and for pretty much everyone they're still my go-to version of the character, even if later versions were sometimes objectively better. And hell yeah, I'll buy a Masterpiece Springer, but Masterpiece is a series of figures designed to accurately depict there cartoon representations and I love that line for it, but that is completely irrelevant to the conversation, why the hell are you bringing it up?

    To be honest, though, I shouldn't even need to justify my collection to you, because not only is it irrelevant, its completely my business. It is beyond bizarre that this isn't even the first time you've brought up my collection in a thread in which it is completely irrelevant.
     
  17. ThaConqueror

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    He's saying that the Masterpiece and Classics/Universe/Generations/etc lines have different aims and different approaches to tackling the same characters.

    - Masterpiece toys try to exactly replicate the cartoon character model as much as physics will allow.

    - Classics, however, updates the characters with modern design aesthetics and such.

    So, expecting a Classics toy to do what Masterpiece is meant for is kinda silly. It's like people who thought Masterpiece Soundwave wasn't going to be a cassette player, when slavishly copying G1 with super-articulation-ness is what Masterpiece does.
     
  18. darkunor

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    And the OP does infact acknowledge this which I saw starscreamgaga's tirade as baseless rambling. Like I said before the point of this thread was to show how sandstorm and springer could be more toon accurate with repaints and retooling or the lack of them for that matter.

    And with springer he shows which version is actually more accurate to the G1 cartoon...that is of course if you're interested in a more G1 accurate representation of the character. He didn't state that this figure was better than that figure nor did he state the particular intentions of the MP or classics line!

    Go ahead and check the first page and read Starscream gaga's response and the OP's response to that to have a clearer idea of what I'm talking about.
     
  19. ThaConqueror

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    Let's see:

    - Shadeozero makes a thread comparing Generations Sandstorm and Springer to their cartoon character models for people who strive for cartoon accuracy in their collections.

    - Starscream Gaga posts his response, detailing why he prefers Generations Springer's design to the G1 toy, in the process slightly missing the OP's intentions

    - Shadeozero responds to SG, saying that he missed the point but admitting he still thinks Generations Springer looks awesome

    - Lots of people post on what Generations is meant for, their preferences on Springer designs, and Shadeozero is good-natured throughout

    - You pop in outta nowhere, railing against SG's apparent hypocrisy re: buying Masterpiece (despite him not mentioning Masterpiece at all)

    - SG responds to you, pointing out that Masterpiece and Generations have different design aims in an abstract manner

    - You continue to bring up irrevelevant topics, like SG's hate for G1 that he doesn't have, his collecting preferences that do not matter in this discussion, etc.

    - SG points this out, and you ignore it to respond to me for some reason.

    That about sums it up, methinks.
     
  20. Valkysas

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    They aren't FOC designs. They're designs for IDW's G1 comic. Sandstorm hasn't shown up in the comic using this design, but Nick Roche confirmed on twitter that he's based on design work he did.