Transformers Classics G1 Checklist 84 - 86

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Trailbreaker77, May 3, 2012.

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Should I add special edition Drag Strip to the checklist?

Poll closed Feb 23, 2020.
  1. Yes

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  2. NO

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  1. Abrogate

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    so are the battlechargers :confused: 
     
  2. Grandum

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    You make me want to scream profanities.
     
  3. Demonss

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    I can agree that Drag Strip should be included (he's close enough to his G1 incarnation that it's ok).
    I think though for me to be ok with considering something classics needs to at least have the G1 inspired headsculpt.. Battle chargers.. check.. Devastator and Roadbuster, interesting G1 homages, but without the natobot (or whatever it was) for Roadbuster, he's not really screaming roadbuster.

    Davastator.. G1 green is nice, but only 5 members and not even remotely looking g1 is a downer.
     
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    If you go by that logic, then Night Ops Rachet should be included since he was in the same line as Seaspray. Not all of them apply, and some of the ones that people say DO apply are hotly contested.

    I was on the fence til I saw it in person, it really isn't all that movieverse, dude.

    Dragstrip, I see needing on the list. However, it's really sad that Fracture's awesomeness will forever elude this list since she's a Gobot.
     
  5. Trailbreaker77

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    OK I will consider Drag Strip, problem is I will have to find some images online of him because I do not own him. All those in favor of Dragstrip say I!

    Actually I'll just add a poll and we can just put our vote in there. OK?
     
  6. Dr. Prime

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    I don't see why not. 'I' for Dragstrip :D 
     
  7. Hot Shot.

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    My thoughts:

    -Don't put Seaspray on the list. The body is good, but the head is all wrong.

    -Drag Strip shouldn't be there either. While it's true Runabout and Runamuck were repaints too, they look the part. SE Drag Strip is just a Mirage painted like the namesake, and doesn't do the character justice.

    -I feel like Grimlock belongs. He may be Pretender-inspired, but I'm sure to Hasbro he's just "Classics Grimlock". Getting a new one is a long shot, and the one we have now fufilled its role as an updated G1 Grimlock.
     
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    Well...not being all that movieverse doesn't make it a classics. It was released as a movie verse fig, like you said, and if we are to go by anything official then that should really be it...otherwise you'd have alot of exceptions for this one character that only applies to him like origin toyline, only one to not have a g1 head sculpt, only one to have a very different color scheme to that of his G1 version, you would have to ignore the fiction where it states that crankstart and he shares the same universe (movie), etc, etc, etc.

    If we apply the same exceptions for other figures then you could say that any transformers figure ever should be a classics fig.

    If you want to define him as a classic in your own collection then fine, have at it - but if you take it one step further and say that he is a classics figure then the word loses it's purpose and meaning.
     
  9. Lbsammills51

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    I think the presence of Deluxe Warpath, Bumblebee and Cliffjumper rules out the Legends toys.

    I'd love to see this too, especially if you can work in the TFC Constructicons and FP Insecticons.

    I agree, I know they didn't get a US release, but I'd like to see Rumble and Frenzy thrown in.

    Including Brawn/Outback, for me, would feel way more headscratch-inducing than Seaspray.

    I completely forgot about Galvatron when I saw the pics....I recognized Grimlock's absence and didn't even think about Galvatron until you mentioned him.

    I say "I" for Drag Strip.

    If you go with the more comprehensive Hasbro + Takara + Unlicensed/Third Party list, would you include that Takara Wildrider redeco? I know it's even less "Wildriderish" than Drag Strip is from the Mirage mold, but it works for me until FP cranks out those much rumored Stunticons.
     
  10. TheBigMachine

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    Regarding Sea Spray, tfwiki.net has this on the subject (here):

    Of course, what I didn't include are some counter arguments, but to me, the parts that I quoted seem to outweigh the more ambiguous "pro-movie" argument due to the nature of the official comments straight from Hasbro. I'm not saying one way or the other to include Sea Spray in your list. I just thought I'd share this information if you weren't aware of it in case it might persuade you in either direction.

    Also, this is very much a kick ass project you took on and good luck with the raging debate of what molds should be included on your list (I speak from experience)...
     
  11. artiepants

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    Seaspray i can get ~ he's an uncomfortable fit, but he's not too bad; aside from the reverse lower legs he has the solid, chunky proportions i associate with Classics. I've never understood how anyone could remotely or even conceivably include Brawn and Outback in a Classics set up. There is just nothing "Classic-y" about them except, i suppose, the names. They are far, far, far too Movie Aesthetic to look anything but out of place in a classics grouping. (same with Basic Brake Down)
     
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    You left out things that go against your argument? That's not really being honest, now is it? If we are to discuss this then we should hear from voth sides before we make up our minds.

    And allow me to begin by saying that your reason for inclufing him is why hearsay Is dismissed in a court of law...you can't take someones word over fact when the evidence far outweigh what someone said - even if it is a Hasbro employee.

    And you can even tell that it is BS by what little you qouted - if all the yellow boxes are classics (again - how come not movie verse = classics?) then we are right back at square 1 because Night Ops ratchet came in a yellow box - is he not movie verse too then? No, of course not - Hasbro reps said what they thought the fans needed to hear to buy more toys - it's as simple as that.
     
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    You're always so combative in your tone. I provided a link to the source and even said I omitted some of the counter argument. I didn't tell him what I thought he should do with his list. I just provided the information for him to decide as he pleases. But, to make you happy, and so you don't have to click on the link, here is the WHOLE quote from tfwiki:

     
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    I'm sorry - I don't mean to. It is a topic I am very passionate about and there is so much evidence vs what a Hasbro rep said - and yet somehow people take the word of that man over fact...and that bugs me. I mean take any other situation where you have the same scenario:

    1. you walk outside and feel an intense heat.
    2. It's so bright that you have to squint.
    3. You see that you are casting a long shadow.
    4. After an hour outside you feel that your skin is a bit hot.

    Now...despite all this you run into someone who says that he has talked to a weatherman and tge weatherman insisted on this not being a sunny day - would you believe him?

    Well, in the case of seaspray people do believe the guy who works with the topic at hand over facts, and that to me is just...mindbogeling.

    Anyways, I best get some sleep - nn, all.

    PS: isn't it weird that Hasbro calls it autobot allience internally...and yet the artist refers to it as classics? Doesn't that mean that he's not really in the know? Also worth noting is that autobot allience was the name of a japanese line where all the non - 2010 classics were released...(again, seaspray as #05 in the non-classics toyline) If he was a classic, shouldn't he then have been released as united?
     
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    Seems like a person could make the same thing with different criteria. One with all Legends, one with movie, or Animated, or whatever.

    Could someone post a picture with all empty spaces, so we could easily make other catalogs?
     
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    Just curious, how do you view Bludgeon? I personally think he's quite Movieverse.
     
  17. Demonss

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    I've got a light box and drag stip if you want me to take 2 nice pics like for you to use,
     
  18. Trailbreaker77

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    They will be on a list just not this Hasbro list I'm planning on making a combined list with everything on it.

    These guys will be on the Takara / Henkei list that is currently being worked on along with finishing up my photo comparison list.

    Galvatron was a mistake by me I completely forgot about him. However this small size for a leader character as is his mold but that is a revision I'll have to add later. (I'll also need to dig a couple pictures of him up as I do not own this figure either.)

    I was aware of what I was stepping into, however second thoughts are creeping up again on me.

    That would be AWESOME! When you get a chance could you e-mail them to me? I will send you my e-mail address through a PM once I get him I will photoshop him and get him ready if the poll tells me to add him.
     
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    I said it before, what about Fracture/Crasher? Mirage repaint released in the Bayverse line. I consider her Classics. Hell, I consider Tomahawk a Classics fig and he was released in the HFTD line. I'm sure I can find other examples, but I believe I illustrated my point. He doesn't look at all Matrix Machine-esque as, say, Bludgeon so I consider him quite Classics. As do the designers. As do Hasbro reps interviewed at conventions. This case isn't like Bludgeon, who was originally designed as a Classics fig but was redesigned to fit the movieverse aesthetic.
     
  20. Alucard77

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    There is a couple of things I was thinking about this list.

    1- You have the scout and deluxe representation of the figures, but ignore the legend figures. If you are trying to replicate the original G1 toyline, I wonder if you should show the Legend sized representation for the minibots. Therefore the following should have their smaller representation then their deluxe or missing all together:
    - Bumblebee
    - Cliff Jumper
    - Huffer
    - Beachcomber
    - Cosmos
    - Warpath

    2- I think Music Label Soundwave should be included in your list. ML Soundwave is Classics soundwave. The fact we continue not to see a soundwave pretty much shows what Takara intended. I would almost say the same for Blaster.

    3- It would be cool to see a list wih third party company items.