Doesn't mean we'll get Transformers toys out of the equation. It's a point that's been brought up before.

 

Money talks bull$hit walks.

When VW smell enough money, they overlook what Darth Vader was apparently at least partially based on.

 

Good point but there's a big difference between using star wars characters and using their own actual product, transforming it and weaponising it! It's not the use of characters it's the use of their product and making so-called 'war-toys'. Germany still has huge cultural issues with this.

Yep probably true, ethics go out the window if there is enough cash involved. Liking the weaponless route others have suggested.

 

I agree with the money talks statement. If there's enough cash involved, well.... There's a price for everything. Just curious though... Does that mean that a Bumblebee figure in scale would price the same as Lambor did?? I mean if Lambor's cost is partially due to his licensing, and if we are to guess that the VW license would cost more, does that mean BB will possibly cost the same as Lambor??

 

I'd hope not with him being half the size in their scale chart. If they did Get VW to allow Porsche too they could always release a double pack with Cliffjumper and probably get away with charging slightly more than Sideswipe.

 

I'd actually be ok with that.. In fact, I think that I would prefer that.it would mean less money spent on separate packaging and inserts and stuff like that.

 

^This.

Also, the Volkswagen 'Beetle' in particular has strong associations with the Nazi Party, because its design came about as a direct result of an order from Adolf Hitler. So, while Volkswagen may be willing to make exceptions in the case of some of their other vehicles, they are likely to be more sensitive and restrictive about how the 'Beetle' is portrayed.

 

Not to mention that Bumblebee only comes in Aryan master race yellow.  

 

Im going to say it now. We are going to get Bumblebee and Jazz. I refuse to believe that the scale sheet with all the unique Season 1 moulds features in that MP Lambor display is meaningless.

This new MP line has me on such a high that I believe that if and when all the Season 1-3 characters are released that I can sell off everythign else and have a premium G1 collection. (Classics is gonna be hard to get rid of though, maybe a G1-Classics-MP collection   )

 

Oh for fuuuuck sakes. Walk down the street and find even 1 out of 50 people that will immediately say "Hitler!" or "Nazis!" when asked what they think of when talking about Volkswagon and/or the Beetle. I'll guarantee 99.9% of them will think "hippies" or "the 60's" before anyone even peeps a word about Hitler this or Nazi that.

What's next? No more Hugo Boss clothing because they dressed the Nazis and 1% of population know/remember this? What about drinking Coke? What about owning Mercedes vehicles? What about the colors grey or red? Seriously, the lengths people go to be overly sensitive and subsequently offended about things is mind blowing.

 

Pardon my ignorance here, but...how exactly are Coke, Mercedes, & the Nazi party all related?

BTW, I know VW doesn't want to associate with "war toys" because they want a good image, but one thing they need to remember...Bumblebee is a freaking GOOD GUY. I'd understand if we were talking about them giving the license for a Decepticon that turned into a Beetle, but they have an issue licensing the good guy? ...SMH.

 

I agree with this completely. I don't see why they would show that scale sheet, and put bots on there that weren't going to be on shelves. Unless they are trying to throw everyone off, of course.

 

Damn, I didn't even know this was teased. Hopefully it gets released at some point in the near future.

I don't really care about the semantics of what is or isn't a knock off. Igear made Huffer. It's not called Huffer, but its Huffer. I'll call it "not-Huffer". Like not-Seaspray and the upcoming not-Beachcomber.

I think this makes sense seeing how TT is handling the release of the cassettes. Though it may be wishful thinking as TT could probably make just as much or more money by releasing them seperately. I hope this is something that is discussed someday soon as they get announced.

 

While the hippies/60's part is true, that's mostly, I would think, in the US. We don't know how those who were born and raised IN Germany might feel about about that part of history. The whole German holocaust thing was a big pretty part of the populations history.. That being said, maybe there are people who had/have family that went through the whole war, who work for VW, and don't want the company involved in war based toys because of that. There could be more to the story than we know. Telling a company they should get over their past is about as easy as telling someone who hurt someone while they were drunk to get over it. Some will, and some can't. VW seems to be the type who can't.

 

Too much to explain here, but it's readily available information virtually anywhere. The bigger point, though, is that TONS of brands & companies were associated to Nazis in one way or other (either knowingly or simple default) and it makes zero sense how & why this ridiculous VW debate keeps coming up again and again. Nerds on the internet are carrying that ridiculous torch more than VW are as way to make sense of why they're not getting what they want.

Exactly, and as others have already pointed out, VW are clearly more than willing to live in the present and license their shit to anyone who will pay enough.

Well, yeah, but that goes for an endless amount of things in Germany. But there is a whole world outside of Germany that lives in the present and frankly doesn't know or care about how some select models of cars were used by bad people, no more so that what they wore, what they drank and where they banked. If people are going to be so hindsight offended by associations, they need to learn their history and do all or nothing - not this cherry picking thing they keep doing (virtually ONLY on the internet) with VW/The Beetle.

 

I completely agree with you inception. But you're proving your own point. VW learned from their past, and have decided to stray as far from war as possible. Germany as a country can't tell Volkswagen to just get over it, give the transformers geeks what they want. Money will eventually talk, I'm sure, question is how much talking will be needed.

 

Well the other thing to remember and very much highlight here is that VW have said no to "war toys". Not once have they mentioned Hitler, Nazis, etc. In fact, most Germans make quite a concerted effort to NEVER mention those words. Ever. It's the public peanut gallery that always "goes there" with it. So while it's VW's prerogative to do what they want with their brand, it's certainly not them telling HasTak that "we don't want you to make Transformers of our cars... because if you do, people will think 'war'... and war is what Hitler & Nazis did... and they were from Germany... which is where we're from... and then people will think we're Nazis because Nazis drove our vehicles". It's interneters reaching for an explanation that say that. But yeah, money is what gives the thumbs up or down on this - as always.

 

The Germans themselves are embarrassed of their nationality and what their history is, the wars happened, they're over, this is a masterpiece thread not a Nazi thread. Get over it move on, stop living in the past, that's why racism, intolerance and hate exists is because people think they or their country were wronged. If us Irish thought the same way we'd hate the potato(for the famine) and the British(for the wars and occupation they started and tried here). Get over it and move on.

Now onto MPs, the actual thread topic, I would love love love to see Blitzwing as an MP.

 

I happily second that! And while at it throw in an Astrotrain also.  

 

Well thank god! Finally! Back on track! Yes, I would love to see a triple changer. We cld really use an insider to keep suspicions growing. TCracker , underwear.....