I'm just saying that Brave Maximus would make a ton of sense, especially if that year's Titan ends up a repaint. 20th anniversary PLUS running out of logical citybots PLUS a character that was demanded by fans but never released in the U.S. EQUALS a higher chance of release over many other Titan options, including characters that never saw a U.S. media appearance such as Black Zarak and Metrotitan.

 

I agree with all of this. I just think Hasbro and Takara care about anniversaries when it's convenient. You and Fenrir_Zero both presented plenty of positive examples, but there are plenty of opposing examples as well. Yes, Takara is doing Beast Wars this year, but three fifths of the announced/rumored releases are from Hasbro's 2014 releases (not an anniversary). Metroplex and MP-10 are two other big releases not tied to an anniversary. Delta Magnus was listed as a movie anniversary tie-in, but it was only feasible to release him because Ultra Magnus came out in a non-anniversary year. And so on and so forth.

I'll be ecstatic if Brave Maximus comes out next year one way or the other. I'd be ecstatic if Hasbro moved to two Titans a year (or one Titan in July and one Devastator-class toy at Christmas). I just don't think any of these decisions will be made, except on the margins, because of what year it is.

 

Of course they're going to do Scorponok. They only have a few characters that legitimately qualify as Titans. If they plan to continue doing one Titan a year, it won't be long before they run out of them. And if they weren't already considering doing Titan Scorponok, they wouldn't have included him in the vote.

Except in the original toy and original cartoon, not to mention Japan's Headmasters cartoon. And commercials.

 

Eventually he'll show up...

 

Of course they will. We just don't know when.

 

Just double checking. Wouldn't Grand Maximus be a better choice? I am only asking because only CarRobots used the name Brave Maximus, while the English dub referred to him as Fortress Maximus.

Plus, Grand Maximus would be a great excuse for both to expand on this and return to the Pretenders line.

And speaking of BlackZarak, Hasbro made their own version in the form of Dark Scorponok. Shame he is both from Hasbro and not MegaZarak. And I did not like all of the retooling. Otherwise I might try to get him.  

Oh... And also, both IDW and Generations 2013 have hinted that a Metrotitan redeco is possible.  

 

Well, neither Grand nor Brave names were ever actually used in America. So, if that is the deciding factor, the point is kind of moot. If it's an issue, Hasbro could just call him Brave Fortress Maximus, which would cover all the bases just fine.

In terms of Grand Maximus, as much as I would want one, there's just not much incentive beyond a few collectors wanting him. Unless Pretenders actually do become a gimmick for the Generations line (which I think is highly unlikely considering they were not all that well received the first time around), Grand is a questionable release.

I can see TT doing Grand as an exclusive of some sort...but that'd be about it. Brave has appeal on all sides of both big ponds but never saw a proper release in the U.S. or Europe...so if Hasbro's going to do one, it'd probably be Brave.

Considering that there are no indications that Hasbro believes collectors can handle multiple Titans in one year and Trypticon is all but confirmed for next year, 2020 Brave Maximus seems, to me, the best bet.

 

The reason why Hasbro didn't was because they needed filler. They ended up choosing "CarRobots" and turned it into "Robots in Disguise". And when it came to the names, they decided that instead of giving them original names and identities, they would recycle ones that people recognized in hopes of selling their wares.

Plus, Takara had Grand established as Fortress' younger brother. And, in 2007, as Brave be the precursor to Fortress gaining his Double Headmaster form.

A few collectors? Did things change that much since 2013?! I remember that the moment they had announced Fortress Maximus would be reissued for TakaraTomy's "Encore" line, demand for Grand Maximus skyrocketed. And that was because he was established in Super-God Masterfoce, and was used more than just a mere plot device.

But anywho....

I also mentioned that because Combiner Wars debuted 30 years after the first combiners debuted. The last was in 1987. 1987 was when the Headmaster gimmick premiered, and it ended in 1988. And the Pretenders gimmick premiered in 1988 and ended in 1989. And based on what some are saying, Combiner Wars will be 2015-2017, which may allow the Headmasters to be 2016-2018. And the Pretenders might be from 2017 to 2019.

But that is just a simple hunch based on how they are releasing their lines.

However, Brave Maximus was only used as a plot device in "Robots in Disguise". Plus, he was both a plot device for "CarRobots" and a precursor to The Headmasters in the JG1 continuity. And because of that, he is better off being the exclusive. Just because anything he did offer was not significant enough to be a front-runner.

As for Grand Maximus, he has a more established history. And his animated counterpart was significantly smaller than Fortress Maximus. Because of this, he does not need to be a Titan class. At the biggest, he could be a Leader class, which only demotes him from being a Double Headmaster. Which is fine as long as he becomes a smaller ship, IDW gives him Fortress' old role, and TakaraTomy explains why he chose to "downgrade" himself.

There is. In their current announcement, they officially stated that they are going to amplify their focus on the quoted "20%" of buyers that are collectors of a specific age group. And if they did ask those collectors which Maximus should be next, a larger margin will say "Grand". With the answer being tied to the fact he had both more and better exposure in Super-God Masterforce than Brave had in all of "Robots in Disguise".

However, I am not going to argue by saying you are wrong. Because they might decide to make their first official exclusive be Brave Maximus. And have him be tied to the origins of the Titans.

Which has me cite that if Hasbro decided to do this, and not make a smaller-scale Grand Maximus, TakaraTomy will more than likely listen to their fanbase by making theirs be Grand Maximus. Just because Hasbro is now catching up on how TakaraTomy does stuff.

So we shall see since I only want to obtain all 28 in-continuity pieces that are 100% originals when it comes to Takara's 1987 line. Which, having (LG09) Brainstorm be the toy version, as well as uncertainty if my plans will work, being an issue.  

 

Oh, and I also found this!!!

Zarak Maximus - Transformers Wiki​

I'll look for the commercial version if there is any demand. But this might be the "Grand" excuse for Hasbro to be "Brave" enough to make a Titan-class Zarak Maximus.  

 

I want a leader scale scorponok

 

I hear ya on that! When it comes to my collecting preferences, I am hoping that TakaraTomy will revive JG1/The Headmasters" MegaZarak for their 'Legends' line. And despite not being asked, I would be happier if they went Leader or "Devastator" class, instead of Titan class, for him.

But, if getting what I want means having him be a larger or smaller scale, I will be fine with that as well.  

 

they have made it clear hes on there mind its likely to be omega after tryp then after him scorp so 2019

 

I'm fully aware of this...which still doesn't explain why you think Grand Maximus would have some sort of priority over Brave.

Which means zippo to Hasbro.

Which also means zippo to Hasbro. And yeah, 50 to 100 people on a Transformers board is "demand skyrocketing". Most people would see him in stores and think, "oh, it's a repaint of a figure I already have in very similar colors. Pass."

Pretenders would be costly (deluxe + shell would be $30 or more) and
the original line did not sell well. I think Pretenders are wishful thinking at this point. Perhaps Hasbro will throw a bone or two...but a full line gimmick just isn't logistically in the cards at the current price point.

But he was in a cartoon seen by Americans and Europeans. Demand for a release was VERY high back in 2001. Much higher than Grand Maximus that the majority of the fans barely knew anything about at the time. Since the U.S. and Europe DID NOT SEE Masterforce, what is the appeal for Hasbro to do a mass release of the figure? None. A fact you keep ignoring...

The only history he has is Masterforce, seen only in Japan and the Far East region. So Grand Maximus would be the Asian exclusive, not Brave.

Which says zero about Titans. If anything, we're getting more Masterpiece figures.

I think you presume too much.

Or maybe he'll just be a mass retail release because he's a character in a U.S. cartoon (dubbed anime aside) that was never released and they want to get more mileage out of the tooling in an anniversary year.

I suppose I could see Hasbro doing BM and TT doing GM. Although if there's no Pretender shell, GM's demand will be lessened.

 

 

I would buy a Titan Scorponok(and Overlord) in a snap!! BUT I would also accept both as leader scale figs.

 

Yeah I could bite on the larger scale just because scorponok was such a badass in the marvel comic

 

Id love another Titan Class this year, any news if they are doing one? ..need a big G1 style Scorponok

 

Yes, its in the works

 

Cool, which figure are they doing?

 

fort Max needs his Decepticon rival.

 

I have a feeling it's going to end up being Predaking this year, Omega Supreme next year, Scorponok 2020, Unicron 2021, Primus after that, all Titan class. Unless the fan vote mixes the order of the last 4 up. We'll see