-Predaking shook off tens of thousands of tons of rock, and overpowered Optimus Prime, who, even BEFORE the upgrade that enhanced his power greatly, was capable of stopping a fully-loaded freight-train going at full bore, propelling himself hundreds of feet into the air, etc. He could easily overpower the dragon through strength alone and crush him to death, differences in size aside.
-Destroyed multiple cities guarded soley by foot-soldiers and ballistamen. Kewl. Predaking shat all over multitides of transformers. Do you mean to tell me that Transformers don't outclass dwarves, humans, or elves 100 to 1?
-He's so smart, he took his time playing with a enemy who had the only thing at hand that could harm him. Smaug was never displayed within the book or movie as being anything other than arrogant and overaggressive.
-Yeah. Cool fact: Predaking ain't from Middle Earth. He's fireproof, Smaug lacks the raw power to beat him up, and Smaug's claws and teeth aren't going to be any more effective than Megatron's sword, etc.

I really, REALLY don't understand what people think Smaug can do to Predaking. This is like the Trojan Horse vs an A-1 Abrams.

Predaking? Fought Cybertron's elite and won most of the time, even when it was 2 on 1.

Smaug? Pretty much just hosed things with fire. Knocked down some pretty big pillars once.

 

I still don't know... the people of middle earth seem pretty powerful, and much more grizzly than today.. I'd bet if a bunch of dwarves with axes hid on a mountainside and jumped on a transformer, they could kill it, especially if they set traps and had weapons to help them. Not to mention the elves are nearly indestructible, and they seem afraid of Smaug. I'd guess the elves' magic would beat the technology of an average transformer, at least one of the main elves like Galadriel or Elrond. In middle earth, there's always the excuse of magic, but Transformers are just highly technological battle machines.
Its been a while, but I don't believe Predaking managed to kill a single Transformer or human, in fact, he list almost every fight. As I recall he lost to the Wreckers, Miko, Optimus, Megatron, and Unicron-posessed Megatron. I suppose he kinda beat up Ratchet, but Ratchet is easily the least warriorlike Autobot.

 

The first half of this post is hilarious. Lemme tell you why: Yes, Dwarves and Elves are both quite strong. No, they are not strong enough to do any notable damage to a Transformer with their weapons. Why? Transformers are often tossed into rubble, buildings, rock, etc with extreme speed and force. That impact generates MAGNITUDES more yield than the arms of an Elf or Dwarf. Now, you might say "But Vatarian, that's blunt-impact, what about spears and axes?" Here's the thing: modern day heavy machine-gun fire didn't so much as SCRATCH Bulkhead or Breakdown. They literally stood around in it talking to one another at one point. It was so useless, they were comfortable enough to stop and have a pow-wow.

However skilled they may be, Elves bows are not more powerful and efficient than heavy machine-guns, nor are Dwarven axes.

The only time human weaponsfire EVER damages Transformers? When Fowler hoses some Vehicons with the guns on his helicopter.

At worst, it's gonna leave scratches, and if the Elves/Dwarves get real lucky, maybe damage an optic.

The only people who're gonna be damaging a Transformer to any notable degree are the Maer; individuals like Gandalf, Sauron, Saurumon, the Balrogs, etc....

And we're just talking REGULAR Transformers here. Predaking? He's leagues above most all of them. In durability, and in strength.

On to the second half:

Did you even watch the series?

Predaking beat Megatron. Was kicked out of the ship only through help from Starscream mixed with trickery.
Predaking beat powered-up Optimus Prime. Would have killed him if Megatron hadn't interfered.
Predaking beat the shit out of Miko in her Apex Armor and was basically using her as a chew-toy until he was called off.
Predaking tossed Ratchet's shit.
Predaking bested both Wheeljack and Ultra Magnus. Broke the Forge and sprinkled gold glitter all over Shoulderpad's face. Would have fatality'd his ass if not for reinforcements and a cave-in.
Predaking bested both his Predacon lieutenants in the movie. Spared them cuz Henchmen.

When did he lose? To a literal GOD, and to 10,000+ zombie-dragons. Oh yeah, and he sorta got stale-mated by a fully armed warship.

 

This. 100%

 

I figured the black arrows had some property (magic, the metal is poisonous to dragons, whatever) that made them part of a very short list of things that could kill Smaug. Kind of like the Matrix and Unicron.

But its been years since I read the Hobbit.

 

If I recollect, the black arrows that first knocked off Smaug's scale were mounted on ballistae. It was less of magic/poisonous qualities and more of raw force. And even then, the best they did was knock off one scale. Predaking is much more powerful than a ballistae, and has the dexterity to cling onto Smaug and rip scales off with his bare hands.

The one Bard used simply pierced the soft flesh in the weak spot; all the others he shot bounced off of Smaug's armoured sections. Smaug's wild flailing, plus the fact his wound start glowing bright red/orange when the arrow hit it, seems to imply the arrow prematurely provoked his fire production, resulting in him fatally burning himself on the inside.

 

Watch the third Hobbit movie. I'd guess that this could take out pretty much any Transformer: The Hobbit - Galadriel vs Sauron - YouTube
And again, the magic element. Much in middle Earth revolves around magic, but the Transformers are just machines, even if they're very powerful ones. If every Transformer was like Bulkhead and Breakdown in that episode, I'd have more faith in them, but we've also seen Transformers fall to a couple bullets or missiles, in the third movie, Sam takes out Starscream by himself. That is, if you go by that part.

And to me those things still aren't horribly outstanding. What cartoon Transformer hasn't survived a fight with Megatron, or beat up the Autobot leader to prove his toughness? I mean, they're impressive to watch and everything but only a step or two above the regular obligatory robot action that's expected in a Transformers show. I want to see Predaking level a city, destroy a planet, or kill for sport.
And I wouldn't at all consider Unicron a "god", and his glory days were over. All he did was possess Megatron's old body, which Predaking fell to before.

 

Predaking (TFP) - without a doubt

 

Smaug.

 

I can't give you levelling a city, but I can give you one better. Nemesis Prime levelled a military base (you know, with actual soldiers in it). Season 1/2 Optimus Prime was close to Nemesis' power level. Now Predaking not only beat Optimus, but beat him in his much more powerful season 3 body.

 

But smag burnt wood bulding

I highly doubt it could take out ANY Transformer ever. Galadriel was using white magic to drive off a force of nearly pure darkness. A servant of Morgoth, a lieutenant, no less. And seeing as Morgoth was basically Satan......

Unless it was against something like The Fallen, Liege Maximo, or a servant of Unicron, I don't see what she did there having ANY effect whatsoever on a Transformer, as they themselves are, as you put it, not beings of magic.

Oh, and another thing? She didn't even successfully drive Sauron's still weakened ass back. Sauron faked it. Don't believe me? I'm serious. So double reason Transformers would stare at her and basically be like "da fuq you doing?"

Oh dear lord. Dude. We ain't talking about the shitty Bayverse Transformers. A Prime Vehicon could solo like eight Bayverse Decepticons. They're garbage, outside of the first movie.

The fact is, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, Prime Transformers have feats above anything Smaug has ever demonstrated. In hypothetical matches like this? Feats determine who wins, baby.

Smaug is fighting a stronger, more durable, fireproof opponent who has the means to kill him rather easily. I get that you have a right to your opinion, but I simply don't see how Smaug has ANY hope of winning here.

I love Smaug. I love dragons in general. But against an opponent like this, Smaug does not have the tools to win.

@META: Dear god, I'd never thought of that. I'd always assumed it'd damaged his flight-muscles, punctured a lung, and that combined with the impact had killed him. But your idea kinda fits.... And is horrifying. Poor Smaug.

 

Here's another question...which one would win in a battle of wits?

 

As Waffles once said, Smaug was designed to be a loser the second he lost a scale; he has an obvious weakness and a very fatal one at that. Predaking is smaller and faster, yet perceptive enough to notice the black hole in a golden chest. Given Smaug's utterly massive size, he'd have no trouble shoving his funky blaster into that thing and letting loose, especially since he's small enough to outmanoeuvre his larger and slower foe.

A creature like Smaug, with a pretty dedicated flight-capable body and an assumption on following the general rules of airborne animals, would need immensely thick and powerful chest muscles to pump those huge wings and get his fat twice-as-large-as-a-747 dragon ass into the air. Something as huge as him, with such strong flight muscles, shouldn't fear muscle rupture or lung puncture from a single arrow.

But if it did breach his fire unit (since his chest prominently glows when he charges it and it continues glowing for a fair while after he dies), then the arrow doesn't need to puncture lungs or anything; it just needs to catalyse the big guy and let his own heat bring the heat.

Smaug, no doubt. Centuries of snoozing has not dwindled his wit a bit and Predaking was always more about dramatics than tactics :3

 

Probably Smaug. Predaking's not exactly a big fan of tactics or subtlety.

Now I'm picturing Predaking and Smaug having a riddle-contest, with Smaug smoking Predaking every time he makes a riddle, and Predaking making really questionable, unriddle-like riddles, to the point where Smaug has to stop the contest and re-explain to the whole concept of a riddle to Predaking.

 

Predaking would make a super easy riddle and Smaug would overthink it, giving the wrong answer because surely the answer couldn't be THAT obvious, right?

 

Smaug, definitely Smaug. The guy has lived for many centuries, longer than Predaking. He has seen and learned much. Hell, he has far more charisma than Predaking. The dragon could easily convince you that he is telling the truth, he KNEW that the Arkanstone would drive Thorin mad. Bilbo didn't want to believe him, but oh we knew the truth. We all saw the truth.