How Prime will be looked at 30 years from now.

Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Zaur, Dec 4, 2012.

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  1. Zaur

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    As does the clip you posted. Zero dislikes too, as opposed to B.O.T.'s 26.

    But likes/dislikes, especially on YouTube, are not indicative of embarrassment level.

    Nice try.
     
  3. Smasher

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    No I didn't. I watched him grow from that character into a hero who was brave and resourceful (although he always complained).
    Then in Beast Machines he was suddenly a coward again.
     
  4. SPLIT LIP

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    Not suddenly. Rattrap's dream since the first episode has been to return to Cybertron. Relive the sights, sounds, and familiarity. He's a quick-drawing action star who admits to feeling "naked" without his gun.

    Take away the gun, the robot mode, and drop him in a nightmare version of his most beloved home, and he bends. He didn't get a robot mode until like five episodes in, and then when he gets it not only is it weaponless, but he's still looked down apon as a "charity case."

    Rattrap acted absolutely true to form in Beast Machines. He was dealt a severe handicap. One he's never had before. And he didn't take it well. He guy is a renound pessimist at his best. He literally got dealt every bad hand.

    And you know what? He overcame it. He made the most of his new talents (his new zippy-fast wheels and tail-interface) and became one of the most important characters of the series.

    Beast Machines Rattrap was awesome. If anythng that show made Rattrap one of the strongest willed characters ever.
     
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    The DIFFERENCE is, the Prime Youtube vid is mostly watched by Prime fanboys and also Hub fanboys. Not only has Hub basically got rid of showing G! episodes so they have more time to show Prime episodes (BIG mistake BTW) they seem to rather show Prime episodes instead of showing ANY G1 episodes.

    People who are just tuning in to the Transformers series will, I admit I wasn't born when G1 or even BW was around, but when I got into Transformers I respected that G1 was first and I like that hand drawn style better than CGI. Same with Star Wars The Clone Wars-there are limits to what CGI can do and they end up looking like computed animated puppets. With hand drawn animation, you can do so much better fight scenes.

    People watching the Hub who are younger and just getting into the franchise are going to think Prime is what the franchise is all about and thinking that it might not look better than G1 which they should watch FIRST to get to know the characters and realize that Prime is a knockoff compared to G1, BW, and even Armada which is anime crap, but that's not to say I like Prime better than Armada and Animated btw.

    The two episodes you posted are still better than SOME Prime episodes. I see nothing bad about the B.O.T episode, sure it's a very average episode but it still has the G1 feel to it and even the Cheetor DVD that came with my BW figure for the anniversay is as good as that episode.
     
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    I think the fact that the Hub has stopped playing re-runs is a sign that the G1 fan base is beginning to diminish.

    And also, G1 is watched by a bunch of geewunners who can't handle change in the Transformers series
     
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    Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and PROVE that claim that the Prime vid is watched by nothing but Prime and HUB fanboys with hard, solid evidence. I dare you.

    You should also realize the fact that G1's cartoon was nothing more than 30 minutes of commercial with a half-baked plot. The writers for many G1 episodes even ADMIT to having cranked out scripts in a rapid pace, usually not even checking them over enough before submitting them for a paycheck. It's also horribly racist at times (ever wonder why Casey Kaem left the show, leaving Teletraan 1, Cliffjumper and Bluestreak to mysteriously vanish in the middle of Season 2? One word: Carabomya (CAR-a-BOMB-ya)), it's contradictory in of itself (who built Megatron? Answer: Constructicons. Who built the Constructicons? Answer: Megatron), animation is poor (namely with character colors and usually people being in places they should not, I.E. Shockwave on Earth), and pretty much every episode is "Stop Megatron's new plan each week".

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    Thanks for playing, come back never.

    Oh my fucking god. Somebody who actually thinks B.O.T. isn't the steaming pile of shit that it is? Okay, so according to YOU, the fact a robot built by a kid genius and two idiots from Earth technology using Brawl's brain (who, by the way, is by far one of the DUMBEST Decepticons of all time) could outsmart all the other transformers, Combiners are rendered absolutely useless because they go down with one shot(including Defensor, whose main special ability is a FORCE FIELD), Megatron's entire plan is pointless (the Decepticons build a dam to blow it up...why?), and the ending is the aforementioned idiots duct taping the genius's mouth and tying her up before dragging her off screen with all the Autobots just watching silently.

    I mean, seriously, somebody sig-quote this guy before it's too late.
     
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    Conclusive proof Zaur has never seen an ep of G1.
     
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    Autobot Burnout ...and I'll whisper "No."

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    I'm just going to say what we're all thinking:

    Zaur is the result of YoungPrime and 1984forever if fused into one being.
     
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    Why do there have to be camps?
    G1 camp? Prime camp? Who cares?

    And you keep defending G1 as if anyone in this thread is attacking it.
    I don't think anyone has attacked it -they've pointed out some flaws with it.

    I love G1, but I can freely admit that B.O.T. represents the worst of Transformers and 80s cartoons in general.
    I love Prime but I can freely admit that "Buzz boop bop" Bumblebee is a bad idea.
    I love Split Lip but I can freely admit that the fact that he has had a split lip for years is kinda creepy.

    And finally, you do realize that The Hub still airs G1, right?
    The Hub has G1, Prime, Animated and Rescue Bots in its rotation.
    It's only natural that they have Prime in the heaviest rotation as that's its flagship show.
     
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    Dude not even 1984forever can like B.O.T!

    ...

    Can he?
     
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    Hey if you're a fan of swindle BOTs got it's good points, even if they appear to have lost a load of pages from the middle of the plot.
     
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    He has an alien dinosaur? Like... as a pet or something?

    Fucked up, man. Elites deserve equality!
     
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    LOL!
    I don't even get the reference. I was gonna go with he's a zombie so his lip never heals or something.
    But I'm convinced in reality he's Kate Upton.
    MMmmmm... Kate Upton.
     
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    I said MOST OF the people who like the video either watch Prime or watch the Hub!


    1.you should realize that without G1 and the original toyline there be no show, is jordon Hemboro from "Toy Hunter" out collecting Prime toys? No he's collecting the shows from his own timeline, because Prime toys are mass produced and won't be worth their weigh in squat because like I said 30 years from now people aren't going to like Prime as much as G1 and also maybe not even collect the toys.
    2. the writers had to write fast because because Hasbro kept producing new characters for the show which means new toys for Hasbro to sell, but the writers were obligated to write the episodes fast because they had to promote the new characters and the toys, because let's face it without the toys there be no G1.
    3. not racist, because Casey Cassem was a radio host and does the America's Top 40 radio show so he probably was too busy to keep doing voices and used the racism as an excuse to leave the show. Really he was busy with the radio host show, the same way Robert Stack left "Butt Ugly Martians" to go back to hosting Unsolved Mysteries.
    4. The constructicons built Megaton and then Megaton build a DIFFERENT but look the same Constructicons. They look the same as the ones who bult Megatron, but a new generation of them but it's called self replication.
    5. Animation still looks better because it has the classic G1 look and looked a lot better than most toons during the 80s, yeah by today's look of animation it may look dated but it still has a classic look and drawn by hand instead of doing CGI.
    6. Not true.

    Ok biggest runoff sentence ever and I SAID it was an average episode, probably one of the worst G1 episodes plot-wise, but it still has all the elements that makes the series classic: The human characters CONTRIBUTE to the plot unlike in a lot of series where there more like background characters, the Decepticons planning something by evil scheme of Megatron, I mean remember the Decepticons aren't generic like in Prime, G1 Megatron thinks outside the box, and so don't you think the human characters can build a robot? How progressive of you. That's racist if anything if you don't think they could build a robot, and as far as the ending, they were all FRIENDS so why would the Autbots think the two guys were harming the girl?

    What I mean is every series has at least one crappy episode but overall G1 is still the classic. And BW had a dum episode too, but Prime has plenty eps to choose from when it comes to stupid plots. Except there its boring.
     
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    well, i for one love the show for its genius blend of characters, good plotlines, and good moral lessions.

    i can tell ya this much, i'll be showing the show to my kids along with the unicron trilogy and G1
     
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    Good moral lessons? Bumblebee gets hurt and gets an organ taken by MECH. It's sad, he's young and proud and he's been hurt, it's understandable. So he disobeys orders and almost dies. Then he disobeys orders and almost dies. Then gets away scott free. So the moral of the story is that though your friends are concerned, worried, and doing their best to help you, the right thing to do is to go off selfishly while handicapped straight into the face of danger and hope you're friend is a doctor who does impossible miracle work.

    Good moral lesson.

    Now, TMNT 2012 has good moral lessons, as most episodes are made and built around them.
     
  18. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    How many times have i had to say This to whatever Spin-Out says.

    Honestly I know it's not the best made show and isn't able to live up to TFA's legacy but man it's not the worst thing ever made.
     
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    Nice try, but you're not worming your way out of this one.

    Prove to me through solid, irrefutable evidence that at least over 50% of those views came from people who watch Prime or the Hub. I want numbers, I want statistics, I want SOMETHING that isn't you making shit up to support your claims.

    You do realize that G1 toys were ALSO mass produced, right? And the most popular characters continue to have those G1 toys made via re-issues, right? This has NO relation AT ALL to my comments about the show itself, as I didn't say a WORD about the toyline, either. You also don't mention the Marvel comics, which many people FROM THAT ERA hold in higher esteem than the show.

    You do realize you just helped proved my point about how the show was nothing more than a 30 minute commercial for toys, right?

    Okay, you REALLY have not seen the show if you think the racism thing was an excuse. Carabombya was literally every single racist Middle Eastern stereotype combined into one country, including it's sign!


    You forgot to explain the part where the original Constructicons built Megatron and then were later turned evil by Megatron and also heavily implied to be the same ones on Earth. Because, y'know, there was only one Devestator unless you start pulling out live action movie bullshit and say there could be multiple devestators (which there were NOT in G1, since the whole point of Devestator was he was unique)

    Have you ever paid close attention to any part of a G1 episode and noticed just how much the animators tried to make the robots move as little as possible? Even the movie has touches of this.

    Considering how every single plot was pretty much meant to be independent and reset the status quo at the end of every episode, it might as well have been.

    1. The human characters, when not direct recolors of Scooby Doo henchmen or the characters from Jem, are all COMPLETE MORONS. What does the doctor do to two trouble makers who activate a laser that could have killed a person? He assigns them to be partners with the stuck up brainy girl who pretty much builds the robot herself. Also, a rejected part of the script involved the guy at the junkyard being arrested for being a spy for undisclosed reasons.

    2. There is no point to the Decepticon plan. At least every other episode, they're going for some mcguffin or trying to steal energy or have a new weapon they'll destroy the Autobots with, but here? They build a new damn simply to destroy it. There is no objective, it's not even that evil because there's literally nothing that would happen to anything if the plan was successful!

    3. What part of making a robot that's SMARTER than all the other transformers when the brain is from one of the stupidest Decepticions alive makes sense to you? This is not fucking Enrithan or Terminator, it's just one girl who somehow gets her mitts on Brawl's brain and builds a semi-sentient robot that's super smart IN LESS THAN A DAY. And honestly, how the FUCK am I RACIST for thinking logically? What minority did I demonstrate irrational hatred towards? Please, let me know!

    4. They were not friends, that much was made clear in the beginning of the episode. And what country do you live in where two boys taping a girl's mouth shut and dragging her off against her will does NOT constitute something that looks like kidnapping? Do YOU randomly go out, tape somebody's mouth shut and drag them off against their will, and everybody just thinks "oh, that's okay, they're obviously friends!"?

    And yet not one mention of Energon. Or knowledge of how to even spell "dumb" apparently.
     
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    What

    What the

    What the actual fuck?
     
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