New Opening for Season 2?

Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Stardust262, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. Jive Guru

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    Oh, there are more of us who love the show around certainly.

    I personally just don't bother taking any of the negative comments I read to heart.
     
  2. kaijuguy19

    kaijuguy19 Keyblade Wielder

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    That's really nice to hear thanks!:thumb 

    I'm still trying to not take negative comments about the show to heart. I'm really going to not let get the better of me! It's just sometimes some old habits die hard! Good thing you're doing a good job on it!:) 
     
  3. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

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    It's a shame that constructive critism of the show is responded to with essentially "LALALA I'm not listening!" Criticizing a show doesn't mean I hate it, just that I have quite a few reservations with it and would hope to see them improved later on. A lot of people posting "negativity" here I know are people who have voiced their appreciation for the show overall. That doesn't mean we can't still be critical. If anything we're critical because we give a fuck in the first place, because we like it.
     
  4. Kaymac

    Kaymac I'M REALLY FEELIN' IT!

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    I love the show too, and it's some of the best TF storytelling in recent years. Not that it's hard to be better than the likes of DOTM and ROTF. I do however, accept others' opinions, and take the time to read them.

    But anyways, before I derail things further, back to the question asked. Considering how much the story has progressed, and how relations have shifted, I believe a new intro should be crafted, yes. It would be a lot more suitable than just keeping the current one.
     
  5. SPLIT LIP

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    I'm just gonna say it 'cuz you mentioned it, but I found DOTM's story way better than more than half of Prime. DOTM had the moon conspiracy, Sentinel's betrayal, (which was a genuine surprise excluding that fucking Amazon incident) the mass invasion and the enemy's plan to deliver Cybertron to Earth. I gave a fuck about what was happening from start to finish. Prime had Autobots find Cybertronian thing and Miko causes trouble x5, and Unicron popping up at the last second. That's like if in the last ten minute of DOTM Optimus turned out to be a bear. Prime started strong, but nosedived into the poo soup five meters from landing strip.

    Yeah, point goes to DOTM in story.
     
  6. Kostya

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    Way to completely ignore the Megatron resurrection plot, the MECH story line, the Starscream one, the Arcee one, and the Bulkhead story.
     
  7. SPLIT LIP

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    That was a plot? Nobody actively sought to ressurect him, nor did he somehow conspire to bring himself back. Only through chance did Megatron return and it was covered in merely two episodes. It was a really weak plot, especially compared to how in Animated all of Season 1 was Megatron trying to get his body back, trying new things and manipulating others. In ROTF Megatron was dead, but the Decepticons one and only mission at that point was his revival. In prime? He just sits on a table dreaming about stupid stuff until the Autobots go poking around in his head.

    What storyline? They haven't finished it yet. All we know is that they're doing something, not what or why. It didn't factor into the finale at all and really is one of the worst parts of the show for me.

    Starscream yes, but again not yet resolved and forgotten far too quickly. Arcee's story was just character backstory and again not part of the overall plot and Bulkhead has no story. "I was a Wrecker!" "And?" "Uh... I was a Wrecker!"

    Which is really my biggest misgiving with Prime. All it's plot threads are just sort of dumped on us to be resolved later, with the actual season finale dealing with Unicron coming out of nowhere. Nothing was properly resolved. Not a thing. Which in the end just makes me feel like we wasted time. If they're not going to bring their A game from the get go why should we care if everything they start is just going to be explored next season? Why not this season? There was time if you cut out all the pointless fetch-quest episodes.

    However, none of this has anything to do with the intro which is what this thread is about. So that's all I'm gonna say.
     
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  8. Kaymac

    Kaymac I'M REALLY FEELIN' IT!

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    I feel the same way. I listen to the criticism, and criticize the show myself, and take the time to respond, such as I am doing now. Some things can be done a LOT better, like giving Prime more characterization, backstory, etc. They are doing a good job of this, but it seemed like they dropped an exposition bomb in the season finale. While fleshing out the universe is good, doing that earlier would've been cool.
     
  9. kaijuguy19

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    No offense but I'm going to have to go with Kostya on this one. I understand you WANT the series to improve and I know you don't hate the show, but aren't you kind of exaggerating the flaws to a extreamly high degree? From the looks of it all of your rants are actually making Transformers Prime a lot more worse than it actually is! The storyline's not connected yes but still that doesn't mean the characters aren't progressing in some way like Arcee's slowly letting go of her bitterness,Ratchet having more respect for humans,and Bulkhead's letting go of a grudge for one day. I do agree that Optimus and Bumblebee need more character development but that doesn't mean the rest are bad,in fact many of them ARE awsome! Aren't you taking how the story develops a little TOO seriously? We want a good story yes but we're also not asking for Shakesberian levels! It's not the best but I've seen FAR worse badly written shows! Listen I'm soory if I'm taking this too far again. I understand your giving your honest opinon and we wouldn't be fans if we wern't honest with the writers. I personally don't see anything wrong with it but if you do that's fine! As much as I like DOTM plot myself Season 1 of TFP DID have a plot too!
     
  10. ken8kuhletz08

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  11. Mechafire

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    I'm sorry, but this is just fucking hilarious. You, of all people, throwing down accusations of others taking stuff too seriously?

    Pot, meet kettle.
     
  12. kaijuguy19

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    Okay I know what you mean!:lol  I wasn't accusing him of that! I was just asking if he was taking how a story is made a little too serious. What I was talking about was if he was just being extreamly nitpicky to the point where he sees the show in a more negative view when it really isn't that horrible. I know I took defending the show and Arcee too far in the past but isn't there also such a thing as being overly nitpicky at a story to the point of being pessimestic of the shows development?
     
  13. Kaymac

    Kaymac I'M REALLY FEELIN' IT!

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    When the series starts with such a strong five-parter and goes straight into one of the weakest episodes of the series, it's easy to feel that way. I feel most people think Masters and Students is a weak episode, and it is. Watching it after Darkness Rising is almost a painful experience, like choking on your chocolate cake. I can agree with you on that.

    DOTM is a movie, rather than show, so there are different standards. With Prime, I care about what's going on because it usually ties into character subplots, and in a character driven brand like Transformers, where mostly everything revolves around "what characters do you want", "what character should get a toy", is really good, as it is building a foundation for these characters, so viewers can become attached to them. In DOTM, with a timeframe that it has, they have to get a lot of stuff out in a short amount of time, such as mythos, backstory, motives, etc. DOTM has less time for the individuals and focuses on the events. Prime has lots of little, tiny events, but they are all adding to a character most of the time, and Arcee is a good example of this. I understand how you feel about the pacing in Prime, and I feel a lot of stuff could've been covered earlier, where it could be done more in depth. Certain backstory elements could've been covered rather than dropping the huge exposition bomb that they did in One Shall Rise. The series leaves you waiting, and you want to learn more, which is cool, but it's usually not about what's going on now, but rather what happened in the past, because frankly, what's happening then and there is kind of... boring.
     
  14. Sumner Sturgeon

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    Uh, is it just me, or has this entire discussion gotten derailed into some kind of Prime hate thread? I haven't seen a single post about the possibility of the opening changing in...a while. I'm not touching any of this insanity, I'm just gonna say that I think they might try to update it since MLP did the same thing, albeit several episode into its second season, and they're both Hub shows. Aside from that, I'm out.
     
  15. shroobmaster

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    That's how Prime threads happen nowadays, random out of nowhere bitter comment by somebody that doesn't like the show, kaijuguy losing his shit, they start yelling at each other etc. etc.

    I think I liked it better when you guys were masturbating to Arcee. Or June whatever drives your boat.
     
  16. Murasame

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    Exactly. Every Mini-Plot should have been worked out better and be running parallel to a storyline around Dark Energon and the Revival of Unicron in whichs context throught the series more details like the original 13 and other stuff could have been revealed. That way everything would be more memorable and entertaining.

    But now I reflect Transformers Prime and all that is in my mind is, that Arcee is agressive, Knockout looks good, Starscream is gone, Dark Energon makes zombies, Cliffjumper is dead, there is an organisation that's called Mech, Black Arachnia is scary uuuhm yeah and earth's core is Unicron and he got beaten.

    I remember WAY MORE of the pilot of TFP than I remember the whole show.
     
  17. Murasame

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  18. frost_fenix

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    So true, I lol'ed.

    Guess we'll have to wait until season 2, then things might change.
     
  19. jgoss

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    maybe we will just have to wait and see.
     
  20. StarYoshi14

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    Considering MLP season 2 got an updated opening, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Prime getting an updated one.