Aligned Continuity confusion

Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Darkstream, Dec 27, 2015.

  1. Darkstream

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    I've read on TFwiki that WFC, FOC are in the same continuity as Prime, the Novels as well, and they take place before Prime. But there are some things that bugs me, Sideswipe appeared in both WFC and FOC, and in RID2015 he is part of the new age of Cybertronians. Both Bumblebee and Soundwave have similar G1 looks and are able to talk and in TF.Prime they're both silent. TF.Prime Bee has a similar look as Movieverse Bee, and Soundwave from being a Cybertronian car in WFC and FOC, he's a flying drone in Prime. Hopefully some of you can help me with this.
     
  2. Spiderus Prime

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    Well the Cybertron Games where going to be the prequels to G1 not the Aligned,but Hasbro some how put the Games into that Continuity in some what the way.
     
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    I believe that during Fall of Cybertron Bumblebee is already unable to speak. Ratchet mentions it during the intro while you're adjusting your camera settings if I'm not mistaken.

    EDIT:

    To be honest you can try and link TFP with the games and the novels by using some headcanons or just plain old excuses that manage to work. For example, you can say that the 'Cons changed their frames and alt modes because flying was an advantage on Earth. Overall, it feels like there was no continuity set for the games/cartoon and someone thought "hey, let's say it's from the Aligned continuity and call it a day, someone can stress over it later" or that TFP was inspired by the games, but not meant to be a direct sequel.

    RiD 2015 just completes the mess that is Aligned, I suppose. You can say Sideswipe was named after the Sideswipe from the games if you'd like (maybe someone who knew Sides thought it be a nice homage or something), but trying to find an explanation for Grimlock isn't quite that easy. We'll have to see if season 2 manages to link RiD to TFP at the very least, but I personally think it's gonna be minicon hell and if we see anything from Prime, it's going to be on the movie.
     
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    Hasbro said those two were in the same universe to cross-promote both the game, the show, and the crappy "Alligned" origin that most people hated. Neither the High Moon team nor the Prime team took any of Hasbro's nonsense seriously, so ignore it like everyone with a brain does.

    Walkypedia's editors only take it seriously because they think Hasbro has the final say, even when it's total marketing-scheme bullshit that they abandon later.
     
  5. Starscream Gaga

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    Walkypedia? Is that supposed to be some kind of insult towards TFwiki? Surely there aren't people with ill-will towards such an amazing wiki, even if it does organize it's pages based on official word.
     
  6. Jus09

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    ^ Hell, even TFWiki doesn't take itself seriously as the end-all be-all of authority.
     
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    1. The games, novels, and cartoons are a part of the same continuity family. Meaning that they are three distinct timelines, that happened more or less the same way. Megatron was a gladiator who became a military leader, killed Cybertron, eventually lost the war on Earth. That's the gist of the novels, games, and cartoons, that all tell the story differently. None of them takes place before or after the other, but they're just telling the same events in different ways.
    2. In WFC/FOC and the books, you're right, he's a veteran of the Great War. However in the cartoon timeline he's strongly implied to be one of the newest generations of cybertronians since the end of the Prime cartoon.
    3. The games were originally designed as a prequel to G1, and were made by a team led by a staunch lover of G1. Hence why they looked G1 in the games. Prime had different designs in mind for the characters.
    4. Really any Cybertronian can pick a new alternate mode, especially since it's a species of robots that live for thousands of years. Not a big issue.
     
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    The continuity "family" term is a marketing buzzword excuse, nothing else.

    Either something is in the same continuity, or it isn't and it's a different continuity. It's simple as that.

    Otherwise like 90% Transformers shows are the same continuity family because they feature rehashes of the same characters.

    As for the MisAligned DisContinuity, the best approach is to simply not take it seriously and roll with it. The Word of God may be that TFP, Cybertron games and NuRiD are on the same timeline, but you should know better and do not follow blindly everything just because it's official.
    Taken as separate entities, these shows can work. Taken as parts of the same, they can only give you a hadeache.

    It's MisAligned, it's just broken this way. Don't take it too seriously.
     
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    HASBRO made themselves perfectly clear that their "Aligned" continuity is not a continuity family, but one long continuous flowing continuity that they says matched up perfectly.

    And to them I say:
    :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol 

    WfC was to be a new take on G1... but HASBRO was making their new PRIME and decided to retcon the 2 together... and it went downhill from there.

    You want real continuity madness? Read The Covenant of Primus- the supposed Bible that is supposed to tie it all together.
     
  10. edgs2099

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    Then go get a couple of Vicodin and maybe some Tums to settle your stomach because you're about to have a headache and probably need to vomit.
     
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    The Covenant is a good book, don't get me wrong. Entertaining read.
    High quality, glossy pages, etc. I appreciate what their intention was, but....

    ... they blew it!
     
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    I know the Alligned is a huge mess that can't be connected due to differing visions yet Hasbro wants them to connect.

    But I like trying to connect them for the fun of it since I do like imagining up connecting scenarios. But that's pretty much headcanon territory. It's like saying I could come up with a storyline that can connect Animated to Prime but in reality the two can't be connected and the connection is a "What If." scenario.
     
  13. RobotKnight95

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    Well to spare yourself the headache here's an abridged explanation. TFWiki categorizes media into "families" based off the continuity. G1 has the cartoon, Dreamwave, Classics, and IDW comics so they are all of the G1 family. Bear in mind a "continuity family" is only a tool the wiki use to make categorization of countless medias easier and is not a recognized term.

    Aligned's sense of continuity is (in one word) undefined which leads to the confusion. We know there is a timeline of events but that gets conflicting when spanning across several medias each telling their own story which repeatedly overlap one another. Hasbro has been recorded to saying given creative freedoms but this feels more like a reaction to what went behind closed doors. And this is ultimately due to constant in-fighting with those involved. High Moon was passive about the idea (as far as I know) while the Prime staff wanted to be on their own. When the director of TFP was changed and Hasbro asserted themselves this also led to Beast Hunters and an overall shift in Aligned's direction.

    If you still want to make sense of Aligned I'd segregate the continuity by media source.

    WFC and FOC are one perspective of Aligned. Prime, RiD2015, and Rescue Bots are their own perspective. Basically every media is its own take of Aligned's continuity. It doesn't resolve every continuity issue but it does make it somewhat easier to grasp.

    So to answer your question: None of the characters in Prime and RiD are the same in WFC/FOC despite some sharing similarities.
     
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    I know Habsro has stated that the Aligned Continuity is suppose to be one similar universe, but I'm more inclined to believe that it's actually suppose to be several different universe that all share a similar timeline that "aligns"
    Anyone that thinks they are all the same universe is bonkers, and I'm pretty sure the people who unveiled this information didn't entirely grasp the concept of it. WFC/FOC, and PRIME/RID are suppose to be different universe who's storylines align, so you jump from one to another and the legend stays the same.


    Technically, if you wanted too, you could classify the Sunbow cartoon and Marvel comics in an aligned fashion.
     
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    The only exception I would make would be to put WfC / FoC back into the G1 Continuity family as it was WfC's original intention
     
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    ^ Seconded.
     
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    Yeah.

    I never got the confusion.

    TFP, Rescue Bots, RID2015. Done.

    All other media like the TFP comics or the High Moon games are just offshoots or not connected in any meaningful way. The 3 cartoons are pretty tightly linked however & make a nice & neat continuity.
     
  19. Darkstream

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    TF.Prime told the story differently, in Episode 1, Ratchet stated that this was the first Decepticon activity in 3 years after Cliffjumper bit the dust. So which events does it follow? Cause Prime also stated, that if there scouting for Energon, the are preparing for his return (Megatron), we see in the end of FOC, Megatron getting sucked in that hole with Prime, but how did Prime managed to be on Earth, while Megs was still lost in space?
     
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    Because the games aren't connected to the shows.