Remember in BW it's a plot point that ONLY Depthcharge and Rampage can operate underwater because they have sea creature Beast Forms. That's why each time the Maximals need something underwater they call Depth Charge Falling in water disabed Cheetor's thrusters, and the other maximals have shown the need to breath and therefore the risk of drowning while underwater (Like when they went over a waterfall. Similarly, Rattrap needed a sub).

So your counterpoint is sort of helping my point.

 

not really and besides. this is about Smaug vs Predaking. Predaking wins

 

Smaug is better. Anyone who says otherwise is a communist.

 

The dragon that got shot in the armpit and drowned due to a missing scale that didn't heal after 200 years is better than the death-machine that survived literally everything Optimus Prime, Megatron, and Unicron could throw at it? Sure. I'm a communist.

 

Well (acording to the film), black arrows were special arrows (they actually looked more like metal harpoons), and that was the only weak spot on Smaug's entire body. Plus Bard had extremely good aim also, Predaking probably wouldn't be able to target a spot that small with his (rather wide beam) laser weapons, provided he even had a chance to transform. In Predaking's favor, though, he has more limbs to grapple with.

 

Smaug was not the last dragon on the face middle earth, he is just the last one that made history and as such no others are named in the books after him. the other live far in the north of middle earth. It is of note he is far weaker than his ancient ancestors Ancalagon the Black and Glaurung father of all dragons, although neither could breath flame hot enough to melt the one ring.

I am not here to say who would win just provide accurate information from the middle earth angle.

to the best of my knowledge in terms of numerical measurement Smaug's exact size was never truly established by Tolkien so any numbers you fine are purely conjecture.

Bard had information of where to aim his arrow and its debatable if the black arrow was any different than a normal arrow save by its color and the fact it was of dwarf make before Smaug took over the lonely mountain. It is of note countless other arrows bounced harmlessly off Smaug, undoubtedly Predaking's weaponry far exceeds an arrow in terms of ability to inflict damage so comparing them to a well placed arrow is silly.

Trivia : Smaug fromthe animated cartoon was voiced by a cowboy;Richard Boone best know for playing Paladin in the show Have gun will travel.

I have watched very little of Prime as certain story decisions turned me off so i could not begin to compare Smaug and Predaking.

 

Every time I look at this thread I think of that Broadway "I can do better" song.

Predaking: Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you!
Smaug: No you can't!
Predaking: Yes I can!
Smaug: Anything you can be, I can be greater! I have so many more titles than you!
Predaking: No, you dont.
Smaug: Yes I do! Yes I dooooooooo!
Predaking: You were shot down like a sparrow, with a bow and arrow
Smaug: May I remind you, you let Starscream blindsight you?
Predaking: ........shut up
Smaug: Any roar you can make, I can do louder!
Predaking: I can roar anything louder than you!
Smaug: No you can't!
Predakng: Yes I caaaannnn SHHREEEAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKK
Smaug: Whoa! how did you roar that high?
Predaking: Cause I'm a Predacon, of course!
Smaug: Anything you can burn, I can burn longer!
Predaking: Oh I can breathe fire way longer than you!
Smaug: No you caaaaaaaaaaaan't *breathes fire*
Predaking: Yes I CAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN *breathes fire*
Smaug: Where do you keep all that fire in there?
Predaking: Ugh...
Smaug: Oh...well..... Ohhhhhh I. can. do. most. anything!
Predaking: Can you make me an army?
Smaug: Nope
Predaking: Neither can I...
Smaug: But I can talk in dragon form!
predaking: I'll give you that, but I have 2 arms!
Smaug: True...
Predaking: Anything you can say, I can sound nobler!
Smaug: Oh I say anything more nobly than you!
Predaking: No you can't!
Smaug: yes I can!
Predaking: No you CAAAAAAAAANNNN'TTTTT
Smaug: Yes I CAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN

The End.

Well that sing-a-long was fun.

 

Lol, this should be a YouTube video!

 

-Predaking has a wingspan of two football fields
-His fire-breath is 800+ degrees
-He's survived a point-blank direct hit from Megatron's Fusion Cannon without breaking a sweat
-Survived falling out of a warship in the stratosphere easily
-Broke a weapon of the gods
-Gave no shits when a glacier fell on him
-Shrugs off weapons that damage Transformers and destroy human tanks and jets
-Is inexperienced but adaptable in combat. Was able to beat an upgraded and heavily armed Optimus Prime in one-on-one combat
-Was beating Megatron until Starscream distracted him by shooting him in the back with a missile.
-Beaten into unconciousness by Unicron possessing Megatron's body. Woke up and proceeded to fuck up 10,000 Terrorcons along with his bros Darksteel and Skylinx.
-Was frozen in the arctic. Didn't care.
-Chased a cybertronian ship, tried to eat it. Gave no shits about being shot up by the ship's mounted weapons.

 

well Most of those i would think Smaug might have problems dealing with, the breath might go to Smaug, hard to be 100% sure given you donot have an exact max temp for Predaking.

 

That frustrated me too. All it said is that is was hotter than 800°. So we have a base temp, but not a ceiling.

 

NOOOO!!!!!! I've become what i've most hated.

 

Serpentera would defeat both of them.

 

Wow. I peek into the Prime forum for the first time in months and this is what I find? What an absurd argument.   Oh well, makes for some funny reading.

 

Let's look at the effectiveness of the two dragons:

Predaking
Body count: Zero
Time alive: Less than 1 year
Greatest accomplishment: Not being killed by Optimus Prime

Smaug
Body count: Nearly all of Erebor and Dale, plus the doubtless hundreds he killed before
Time alive: Centuries (he takes Erebor 200 years before the Hobbit and has been alive for centuries before that.)
Greatest accomplishment: Obtaining a giant mountain filled with gold and becoming the wealthiest fictional character of all time!

Also, and I might be wrong here, I'm pretty sure dragons in Middle-Earth were physical manifestations of Maiar, a lesser type of god-like enitity (Sauron and all the Wizards are Maiar, as well as Balrogs).

So I got to give this to Smaug.

 

Some of these are hilariously biased (that goes for both sides of this discussion XD)

"Most noteworthy accomplishment: Not being killed by Optimus Prime." Well, yes, Optimus couldn't kill him as Predaking was busy beating the shittle out of him.   It's probably a bit more noteworthy to not be killed by the God of Chaos, Unicron, as that's the only character Predaking never won a fight against.

 

Fucking hilarious. You should do standup. Because beating the entire cast of TF Prime with no experience and no heavy wounds is totally less impressive than killing some medieval Dwarves and sitting in a pile of gold for 200 years.

 

It does seem that a ton of Dwarves did escape it seems like he burnt threw a few and the rest gave up and left.

It wasn't a long drawn out war between him and the dwarves.

If dragons in Middle-Earth were physical manifestations of Maiar, a lesser type of god-like enitity (Sauron and all the Wizards are Maiar, as well as Balrogs it must have been a pretty weak god all of them died up real good.

It wasn't even a magic arrow that killed Smaug I had thought it was something special.

So a guy that is made out of metal is supposed to not be able to beat by a guy that can be killed by a stick of wood.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

 

Yeah sorry to say this to people who think Smaug would win, but I got to give it to the one who didn't die by a puny arrow.