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03-19-2006, 06:29 PM
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#1 | | Keiner versteht mich. Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,410 Location: Germany News Credits: 37 | Transformers featured in Japan Times article
Looking for a complete Energon Sky Shadow (from Superion Maximus).
Offering: Binaltech Hound, Swindle, Ravage (Corvette), Skids.
Can buy in stores: Robot Heroes Tigatron/Inferno, Ricochet/Predaking.
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03-19-2006, 06:56 PM
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#3 | | Vehicon Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 597 Location: Illinois | Quote: "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is the famed motto of superstar transformer Optimus Prime -- the implication being that, in a very Japanese animist conception, even robots have a spirit and deserve freedom, too.
Designer Ohno said that his generation grew up with robots, and it is part of their cultural heritage. "It's part of our sense of character," he said, referring to his homeland's obsession with manga and anime heroes and heroines.
Such anthropological musings were echoed by Yoke, who said he believed that this kind of mythology is less likely to emerge from Judaeo-Christian culture. "For us," he said, "these guys become human, we project ourselves onto them -- our frailties and strengths; they act as our representatives in a fantasy world." / End quote
Uhm, The Japanese take on these toys was that they were soul-less, lifeless mechanoids piloted by humans. It was Judeo-Christian Americans that were responsible for the concept of them being alive, with human-like character strengths and weaknesses, and for Prime's motto. Japanese animist conception my hairy ass! G1, Rated R for violent content: Transformers Version 2.0 |
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03-19-2006, 08:20 PM
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#4 | | Autobot Brainmaster Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,733 Location: Virginia Collection Count: Enough to re-populate Cybertron! WOT? News Credits: 1 | Quote: |
Originally Posted by peteynorth
Uhm, The Japanese take on these toys was that they were soul-less, lifeless mechanoids piloted by humans. It was Judeo-Christian Americans that were responsible for the concept of them being alive, with human-like character strengths and weaknesses, and for Prime's motto. | That was the only part of the article I had an issue with too. The Diaclones were mindless machines, it was Hasbro that gave Transformers a soul. In fact, Tansformers were set apart from everything else because they were living machines. Even the competing Gobots were in reality just Cyborgs, macnines with human-like brains.  - Backscatter "Megatron failed. I lived...but changed. Since then, I feel only hatred ..." |
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03-19-2006, 08:58 PM
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#5 | | Consulting your needs Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,691 Location: Earth Collection Count: 15 | They didnt know soundwave's name, n00bs!111!11!!!! |
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03-19-2006, 09:51 PM
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#6 | | Argumentative TF Wiki guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,003 Location: Sydney, Australia Collection Count: Some. News Credits: 4 | Takara is rather unappreciative of Hasbro's (and Marvel's) large contribution to the sucess of Transformers.
After all, the Diaclone toys only became a mainstream sucess in Japan AFTER Hasbro and Marvel characterised them and the cartoon was dubbed in japanese.
Well, guess which company is merging with a former arch-rival? It ain't Hasbro...
An afterthought: Leave it to Takara, and Convoy's motto, if he was characterised in a japanese way, would have been 'Freedom is the right of all sentient beings... but it depends on your social and family caste, as well as your ties to the royal family, the upper class and those in the government.'
yeah I'm asian, so I can make light of asian social caste attitudes. |
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03-19-2006, 10:08 PM
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#7 | | "A warrior still" Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,923 Collection Count: 200+ News Credits: 3 | So Sunstreaker was the first ever concept for a transformer? 
"Pussy cat, you really know how to tickle my joystick" -Rattrap in Coming of the Fuzors Duck> i broke my TF2 dvd and tried to slit my wrists with the shards it was so bad.
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03-20-2006, 02:31 AM
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#8 | | Mini-Con Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 30 | Quote: |
Originally Posted by peteynorth Quote:
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is the famed motto of superstar transformer Optimus Prime -- the implication being that, in a very Japanese animist conception, even robots have a spirit and deserve freedom, too.
Designer Ohno said that his generation grew up with robots, and it is part of their cultural heritage. "It's part of our sense of character," he said, referring to his homeland's obsession with manga and anime heroes and heroines.
Such anthropological musings were echoed by Yoke, who said he believed that this kind of mythology is less likely to emerge from Judaeo-Christian culture. "For us," he said, "these guys become human, we project ourselves onto them -- our frailties and strengths; they act as our representatives in a fantasy world."
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Uhm, The Japanese take on these toys was that they were soul-less, lifeless mechanoids piloted by humans. It was Judeo-Christian Americans that were responsible for the concept of them being alive, with human-like character strengths and weaknesses, and for Prime's motto. Japanese animist conception my hairy ass! | By the second paragraph, Mr. Ohno and Mr. Yoke were referring to "his homeland's obsession with manga and anime heroes and heroines" and "cultural heritage" of robots in general, not just Transformers. He was referring to how there are more humanoid robots in Japanese popular culture compared to other countries' popular culture.
They weren't saying that Takara invented the idea that these object-transforming robots had souls--they were saying Japan invented the idea of objects transforming into the anthromorphic robots in the first place. That "Japanese animist conception" throwaway line and tie-in with Optimus Prime's motto was not quoted out of their mouths.
In any case, while the Car-Robot line and much of the Microchange line were "soul-less" robots for their operators, some of the Microman and Microchange robots were "living machines" before Transformers. Some of the best examples were the Meteor Robos, which later became some of the Transformers: Beast Wars characters. (Most of Microchange robots, "soul-less" or otherwise, couldn't be "piloted by humans" anyways.) |
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03-20-2006, 02:48 AM
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#9 | | Mini-Con Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 30 | Quote: |
Originally Posted by Backscatter The Diaclones were mindless machines, it was Hasbro that gave Transformers a soul. In fact, Tansformers were set apart from everything else because they were living machines. Even the competing Gobots were in reality just Cyborgs, macnines with human-like brains. | The Transformer were not the first living machines in popular culture, much less set apart from everything else because of that. The first robot ever in Japanese manga and animation was Mighty Atom or Astroboy--a living machine created over two decades earlier. Many countries--Japan, America, and elsewhere--have had living machines in popular culture long before the Transformers.
What made Transformers unique was the combination of two time-tested concepts: transforming anthromorphic robots (Takara's contribution) and robots with character and personality (Hasbro and Marvel's contribution). However, both of those concepts existed separately before. |
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03-20-2006, 03:09 AM
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#10 | | Mini-Con Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 30 | Quote: |
Originally Posted by Fit For natalie Takara is rather unappreciative of Hasbro's (and Marvel's) large contribution to the sucess of Transformers.
After all, the Diaclone toys only became a mainstream sucess in Japan AFTER Hasbro and Marvel characterised them and the cartoon was dubbed in japanese.
Well, guess which company is merging with a former arch-rival? It ain't Hasbro... | Ironically, Hasbro has been the subject of takeover attempts by arch-rival Mattel since 1996, but Hasbro was able to fend off the attempts by invoking U.S. anti-trust laws. Does that mean that Mattel had better ideas than Hasbro, and that Hasbro had better ideas than Galoob, Tonka, Kenner, and all the other "former arch-rivals" it acquired? Or is the question of who's merging with who less about who made the most contributions, and more about their different markets and how they operate in it? |
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