MP Smokescreen, Prowl, Streak release news

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by REMINATOR, May 25, 2013.

  1. Delta One

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    Gives me more time to save up money.
     
  2. Stepper

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    Technically yes,based on this ground,we may get to MP Jazz in future but till date,no future update from TakaraTomy,they are just saying they will try to their best to get the manufacturers copyright without giving up.
     
  3. Max Rawhide

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    Sorry, but that's not a good argument.

    Look up Lamborghini and Porsche/VW on Wikipedia and their part in WW 2. You'll see that Lamborgini didn't exist until after WW 2 and is therefore in no way associated with the fascist government. VW/Porsch however both not only existed prior to WW2, but before and during WW 2 designed/developed war vehicles for the Nazi's to aid in their war effort.

    That's an important difference.

    Lamborghini is absolutely not associated with WW 2 and the fascists
    VW/Porsche have an absolute association with WW 2 and the Nazis.

    WW 2 and what the Nazi's did is still very strong in the minds of Europeans and especially Germans (who still have this national guilt about WW 2).


    That said, recent comments by TT do make me hopeful that they've managed to get of will be getting the license.
     
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    But am sure happy that TakaraTomy is trying their best to get the manufacturers copyright.
     
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    What utter nonsense?!... do you honestly think that Volkswagen/Audi Group cars would sell so well if people made a Nazi connection?

    VW, Seat, Audi, Skoda are all owned buy VAG and sell cars by the bucket load. Porsche, Lambo, Bentley, Bugatti, are also owned by the the same parent company. Ferruccio Lamborghini was a mechanic in the IRAF before building farm vehicles from... wait for it, surplus WWII parts... Not to mention the fact that Mussolini, the Italian dictator, very quickly sided with the Germans and half the country was considered to be fighting on the side of the Nazi's.

    There is absolutely no political reason, well WWII related at any rate, that I can see why there should be difficulty in TT obtaining licences to the moulds for BB and Jazz. The VW Beetle is one of the worlds most loved cars. Just look at the Herbie movies if you need further evidence. If anything there would be far more difficulties using the Martini sponsorship that covered Jazz's Porsche 935 Turbo race car alt mode.

    Sorry to gripe but your post is just factually incorrect.
     
  6. Yeled

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    ^ Its not factually incorrect. Nothing you said in your post disputes any facts. Porche and VW aided the Nazi war machine in the same way the American companies aided the allies. Lambo did not. Italy was on the Axis side but Lambo didn't exist. And using spare parts is hardly the same as actively building tanks.

    You may be right that its not a good reason to not give Takara the license, but it is a reason VW and Porche have used in the past. Yes, they are beloved cars, and both manufacturers have previously stated point blank they don't want their cars associated with war machines.
     
  7. Max Rawhide

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    No, my post is factually correct.

    Actually, you didn't give any facts to disprove me. Everything you mentioned actually proves the facts I gave. And I never said anything about their warhistory influencing their current sales. I talked about the difference between the origin/history of Lamborghini and VW/Porsche and why the fact that althoughy they currently have the same owner, this doesn't mean that getting the license for Lamborghini means TT is going to be able to get the VW/Porsche license.

    The fact is that VW & Porsche aided the Nazi war effort. Not the war effort, but the Nazi war effort. One of the most evil government in the 20th century.

    Other car companies aided the allies in fighting the war against the Nazi's (that's good and something they even advertised about). Lamborghini has indeed started out years after the war making tractors from leftover WW 2 war parts. That's similar to the (biblical?) description of turning swords into ploughs. Years after the war a company that had no part in the war made something good from the war, so there isn't any bad association.

    VW/Porsche did no such thing. It's safe to say that if it weren't for the Nazi's neither company would exist today: they'd gone bankrupt in the 30's. And if it was just the cars they made then there would be no issue, but they actively designed tanks and jeeps -- combat vehicles.

    I'm not saying that everyone thinks of the Nazi's and how VW/Porsche aided them when they see a VW/Porsch. But perhaps that is partly due to PR. You mentioned Herbie and it's perhaps the perfect example. VW licensed the Beetle probably without any issue since Herbie is a cute little car loved by kids, definitely on the side of good and in no way associated with war or the Nazi's. (Bumblebee and Jazz may be on the side of good -- although in the IDW comics Jazz toasted a human police officer -- but they're both machines fighting in a war. Bumblebee was once the cute kid-appeal character, but his recent depiction, most notably the movies, have made him a fighter causing death and destruction. Quite a departure from Herbie.)

    When I was a kid in the late 70's/early 80's it was quickly pointed out to me that the Beetle was the Nazi car and that Hitler was behind it. Friends and I sometimes referred to Bumblebee as the Nazi car because he was a beetle. When we went to Germany on holiday my stephdad 'joked' that Germany had such good roads because the Nazi's needed them to transport their tanks and other weapons. (Yes, he was an ass.)

    In Europe people are definitely aware of the connection, although it diminishes with time.

    If making war vehicles for an evil government is in your history and decades later people still make that connection, would you risk your sales by licensing your cars to turn into war toys?


    Personally, with almost seventy years past, I think they should. However, I know how the sentiment is still alive. One of my sisters is in a relationship with a German and he admitted that Germany still has guilt over the Nazi's and what they did and still let this national guilt guide them in some way.

    And seeing how VW used Darth Vader and the SW empire (based on the Nazi's) for their own commercials, perhaps they've come around a bit. Of course, it's still a kid in a Darth Vader's costume, but Bumblebee is also a kid.

    I honestly hope (and expect) that they will give in and TT will obtain the license.