Jack Reynor Officially in TF4

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Smashs, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. Paxtin

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    Spliting hairs.

    Could've fooled me.

    Well no, you were implying someone else said that, which no one did.

    Universe, Generations, RTS, any of those ambiguous, is it movie or is it classics, voyagers.

    But then, subjective taste does factor into it. For me, just about all of the Unicron Trilogy toy line is complete worthless garbage...But that's me.
     
  2. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    I really hope so.
     
  3. Bumblethumper

    Bumblethumper old misery guts

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    Thank you so much for disecting my post line by line to prove just how wrong I am.

    Perhaps I'm not making the point clear enough. Transformers existed pre-movie. They had a retail presence, and they took risks. The point therefore, is I don't think it's totally unreasonable to presume they would have continued to do so, regardless of whether or not they had a Michael Bay movie.

    I'd absolutely concur with your opinion of the Unicron trilogy. Just the same, it sold toys. They even produced something as risky as an actual Unicron figure. Something impossible back in G1 days. The pre-movie classics line was another success, one they had plenty of reasons to revisit.
     
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    The daughter's boyfriend is a race car driver. Perhaps the wreckers will make an appearance?
     
  5. Paxtin

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    You're...welcome?...

    Not really. I mean yes, Transformers existed, but it really didn't have a major presence outside of the fandom and just the general recognition that it was a toy line.
    I really dont know what "risks" you're talking aobut though. Other then the risk of trying a bunch of bad gimmicks. But that's not quite the same type of risks I was talking aobut.

    Oh, I'm sure Hasbro would have continued to go on with the line in some form. No one is saying that it wouldn't have. But the movies did give the line a real shot in the arm and did bring it back into the public eye, for better or worse.
    And it was a crazy financial success for them. There's no way that didn't contribute heavly to a lot of what came afterward.

    The Unicron figure was pretty ambitious. I donno if I'd say it was a risk given the whole series seemed to revolve around him.
    And yeah, Classics was a success and that probably did drive Hasbro to do Universe 2.0 and Generations...But it was likely also funded by movie money.

    That's ultimatly all I'm, and anyone else was saying. That for all the bad that was the TF films, some good did come out of it in way of a level of fanatical success that it didn't have before. It didn't. I donno really if it was doing so bad that it would have gone away, but it wasn't doing well enough to pull off what it did after the movie cash in.

    I know, you dont seem to like that. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
     
  6. Bumblethumper

    Bumblethumper old misery guts

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    No one denies the success of the movies. That's beyond debate.

    What is endlessly debatable is to what degree that success has benefited us. It has certainly benefited Hasbro. They deserve to be making money off transformers and I'm happy for them. But has it translated into Hasbro paying any more attention towards delivering the kind of products fans want? They were paying attention before. Some have argued that, in a sense we owe Michael Bay a debt of gratitude for things he had nothing to do with.

    I think it's entirely conceivable that similar products would have materialised in some form regardless of whether there was a movie. Without the movie crowd to cater to, Hasbro might have had to focus even more on their base. We'll never know what would have been, so it's disingenuous to say that without the movies Hasbro would never have risked it all on the likes of your deluxe Straxus.
     
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    You dont "owe Michael Bay jack. No one said you did.
    Heck, I dont like the movies anymore, myself, or Michael Bay. But I'm not going to ignore what the films did for the franchise financially.

    I like how you separate "movie crowd" from "base". Which I assume you mean fans like yourself. Even though their base is actually children, who were part of the movie crowd.

    I'd say it's a fair bet that it had something to do with it, at the very least.
    And yes, we will never know what would have been...But we do know what did happen. And that was my point. And I didn't even say that the likely hood of it ever happening was only because of the films. But I it's not unreasonable that it did happen, when it happened, because Hasbro had a lot of money to throw around between multiple TF toy lines.

    But yes, I get it. You dont like the thought of any positively what so ever to be connected with the movie franchise. It makes your soul hurt, or sometihng, I dont know.
    But I find it much more disingenuous to dismiss it completely in favor of a alternate timeline in where the films didn't get made and Hasbro did everything the fans wanted regardless of finance.


    Sooo...Anyway...How bout that Jack Reynor?...He sure is Irish...
     
  8. Bumblethumper

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    I don't dismiss that they must have done something with all that money.

    One thing they did was starting the Hub. That's been great for fans of all those shows.

    The success has benefited Hasbro in other ways as well. Indirect ways even. They've been able to hoodwink Hollywood studios into paying them even more millions of dollars for the rights to produce movies like Battleship and Monopoly. And are you ready for Hungry-hungry Hippos?

    But okay if it makes you happy sure, they never would've tried anything like Alternators or Masterpieces or Classics if it hadn't been for the movies.

    It is kind of mean to pick on Michael Bay all the time. We should at least concede that whatever the flaws, a lot of money is a lot of money. And money is great.

    even I'll admit that you can't have transformers without money.

    But since we're talking about Jack Reynor here, well there was someone who didn't have much money. He works for Michael Bay now.
     
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    Except that I wasn't saying that, I...Oh fuck this bs...You win, I don't care anymore...

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  10. gabumon

    gabumon papertoy designer

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    It's interesting because theres another Hasbro brand that has this same issue going on: Hasbro is spending a lot of effort making shows (TV or movie) that have the potential to make them a lot more money, but collectors are seemingly left aside wondering if their wishes are being ignored. To collectors Hasbro seems to be catering to the new (less loyal??) consumers.

    Just a thought I had, maybe it's wrong, or obvious.
     
  11. Scorpio

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    I think they are going to try doing it to the extent that they wont have contradicting plots, however i feel they will be seperate in terms of plots.
     
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    Sorry, it was not very specific.

    In response to that, the first two i reported on still count. He stated that Jack Reynor would not be in the films and he also stated that he would not do a fourth film and that TF3 would be his last.
     
  13. Easterling Capt

    Easterling Capt I am Vern Schillinger

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    have to defend my UK friend here..you are totaly missing the point. PPl in the fandom really in overall dont care for humans. If some of the more "whiny fans" got to chose it would only be robots, it would be unicron vs primus etc etc, just look inside the movie forum "shrudders".

    Then you have the bayhaters...they go through any lenght to make sure they get as much fo theire bayhate into every single movie post there is on this board and the next hunderar boards on the internet. The movie haters are so loudmouthete in a texture so to speak that the news of Bay doing 5 and 6 will fule their hate even moe..just wait untill the movie has been premierd. There are already members here on the board that will say it will suck at this mommen. Yeah judging something that has not been made yet...

    This above is what is going to happen...just watch. IT was the same with 1, 2 and 3.

    Just as some in this thread called it blashphomy when describing Jetfire in ROTF. I take this as .."why the hell did he not look like G1 or soemthign like that.

    and before some smart arses come out and say it.

    **Yes ppl are aloowed to have opinions, but opinions is one thing..to just post hate after hate after hate with no substanse in what they post except hate is really really sad. ****
     
  14. Scrapper6

    Scrapper6 Lord of Constructicons

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    I don't mind his portrayal in RotF honestly, or his design, I mean Jetfire wasn't much of a character anyway in the old Cartoon, he was basically a transport ship, something a mindless shuttle could have taken the point of. His backstory with Starscream wasn't present in the films, which is a minor bit of unfortunateness, but what is there is pretty impressive. He's got more history with the Prime lineage, he worked for the Fallen before he fell and his alternate mode and toy are quite impressive. (Still need to pick me up that Leader class, one of these days.)

    Still, I can see it turning quite ugly on these boards if we have to sit through six more years of Movie product. The movie toyline is beginning to suffer similar problems to what G1 faced late in its career. And we don't have a Fort Max or something equally ingenious to bring about a bit of interest in the toyline again. (At least not yet, there's still some possibility for the Cyberverse line to wow us.)

    The problem is Hasbro's design team must be getting really fed up with these constantly in production toys too, they can't be as happy as they were when they got the chance to design the toys first before anything was animated. I get that there are only so many ways you can design a transforming car, or truck for that matter, but we are beginning to see what it must have been like during the late G1 period. Oversaturated product, figures nobody cares about, 'Targetmasters what are those? We want the same figures we had before!' that sort of thing.

    What you're saying, the haters are going to hate no matter what. Yeah that's true, I can agree on that point. However there are no clear defined Haters anymore, because quite frankly the fanbase has begun to grow just as tired of the same old, same old as the Design Team must be feeling at this point.

    I hate to liken the film franchise to anything, however we've gone from 'WOW' Factor buy up the toys because of it to Roger Moore Era James Bond, where the general populace might still be highly entertained by the films and throwing their money at the movies, but they aren't going out to buy 'Yet Another Bumblebee' because the kids already have sixteen concept camaro Transformers and the parents refuse to buy any more.

    This is why Hasbro had the rotational elements going on before the Movie boom, this is why we had figures that were on the shelf only for a limited number of months in the year and then newer product would come in to take their place. And because the insane overproduction levels of certain figures weren't there, we didn't see an endless sea of Hot Shot, Demolishor or even Megatron. After a while the toys themselves were gone, the product MOVED, the Movielines just aren't as sustainable now as they were before, and that can squarely be placed on the shoulders of the retailers for their complete lack of grasping the sensible side of things.

    All things in moderation folks. Give the people a break, I mean most families with young kids just getting into Transformers probably have older kids who bought the first two Movie toys and handed them down to their little brothers, so the parents aren't going to buy another Bumblebee or something for him when he got Big Brother Timmy's hand me downs.

    Er, but this is not directed only at you Easterling Capt, sorry, I got into a ramble and went on a bit long winded like. The point is, Haters are one thing, a lot of us don't hate the movies we're just burned out on the constant supply of products that have been around for over two years now, DotM is still showing up at retailers, cases were put out this past Christmas at deep discount. (And some unsuspecting grandparents must have bought the hell out of it because it actually moved. Poor kids getting stuck with a toy they probably already had or didn't want from the start.) So we tired worn out fans might get as verbally intense as the Haters, but at least we have legitimate reasons for why we're beginning to grow fed up with Hasbro's money making movie machine. I'm afraid they still have yet to learn, it isn't about quantity it is about quality.
     
  15. MindChamber

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    Ok so 1 mediocre movie with 2 terrible sequels is no "substance".

    You know you would be right to say people complaining about Bay with no warrant if this was the first movie... this will be the 4th.

    Nothing indicates that bay will change his style of low substance/high octane action movies.
     
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    do not blame michael bay.
    hasbro, paramount and dreamworks are the real responsible.
     
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    how about all the substandard movies Bay has made before Transformers, is hasbro and dreamworks responsible for that too?
     
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    Transformers is a property of hasbro.
    dreamworks (spielberg) are paramount and funders of the project.
    Bay is the director who has power over the franchise more than hasbro, paramount and dreamworks?
     
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    He has the power to make a good movie. Transformers will make money regardless of who directs, but Hasbro is not willing to say no to Bay because of that money. SO yeah, he has more power over the movie franchise.

    He also has the power to make a great movie, if he'd simply take more looks at scripts the have real story and gravatas. He has a chance to make the next ET, if he wanted to, but instead he surrounds himself with terrible writers that stroke his fetish for the nonsensical fantasy action, with no story.

    With the right script, and a higher dose of his ADD medicine he definitely has a chance to be the next (80s) Spielberg. But hes a one trick pony that refuses to challenge himself as a Director and a storyteller. He makes popculture junk and aside from cinematography, his movies will never be shown in film class, and his stories will never become classics.
     
  20. Easterling Capt

    Easterling Capt I am Vern Schillinger

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    Thats your opinion..other might like all 3 of them, some like 1 and 2, another 2 and 3.. And thats fine, we all like diffrent things that is not the point but statements like yours make it seem ita definitiv that the movies suck but that is still just your opinion.

    the point is when a user post nothing more then this.

    " I hate bay, the movie sucks arse I will never see them. "
    " I saw 2 minitues then I was remided it was Bay and left the theater"

    these are the posters that gets anyoing that gives absolutely nothing to the discussion.

    Or when you discuss a mather of the movies and a poster comes in..." its crap because its bay" and then post nothings more.