Second Run of SG Soundwave Headbands

as far as updating the clubstore being a hardship during botcon...that is bunk.

IF they have competent staffing...you can have a store listing created for each add on set...and then when it hits the moment of making that listing go live...you update that listing to go live with whatever the amount of stock is.

That would not take more than a few minutes with a computer on a internet connection....again if the staff is competent and the listings and coding for each set was done ahead of time...which should not take forever giving that they usually have 3 add on sets for sale.

15 pages since yesterday when I posted...? Jeeze.

Anyways, no, my point is still very valid here. Why offer convention exclusives if that's not a primary draw for a convention? Why not just go exclusive free? If con exclusives don't matter, why did this thread blow up to double the page count in a 24 hour period?

Con exclusives matter. The discussion in this thread is proof enough.

I'm sure that for everyone one person that's going there to have fun, there's another person that is willing to go just to pick up the toys, and I'd be one of those guys.

It's YOUR argument, and Aprim's arugment, that doesn't hold water here. You're totally ignoring the fact that HTS sells con exclusives only if they didn't sell out at SDCC. Even then, it may only be in a few hundred or even less, and you can expect those to sell out within an hour on HTS. Just look at the Starscream Skystriker for SDCC 2011 and how fast that sold out.

What Aprim is trying to suggest is that these exclusives should go on website for sale during the con, which is just poor judgement and a sense of entitlement coming on here, which is childish and bullshit. If you can't go to the con, then you probably can't get the exclusives, it's simple as that. Exclusives, as I said, are a primary draw for many people. It is certainly the only reason why I'd want to go, but you can be sure that I'm not the only one with this sentiment here. I couldn't care less about the other events going on, and previews and such always go on the 'net, or reported on blogs or whatever, so why should I pay air fare and room and board just to see a bunch of reveals? If I wanted fun fan interaction I could go to a BBQ with my locals, and chances are I'd have a much more fun experience with them than at a con.

Ultimately I totally agree that it's a dick move that dealers were allowed to have a better chance at these figures than fans, but I don't agree that just because you're a fan, and that you somehow couldn't make it to the con, that you're entitled to these exclusives also.

Sorry thats not true dude, SDCC Star Scream was well sold out and they still put up some on HTS..Thats a fact. No matter how many actually have, they still put all the Exclusives up, GIJOE, Star Wars and pretty much every Hasbro Exclusive shows up even after a sell out.

Honestly I don't feel entitled at ALL. Matter of fact I have no desire for any Botcon toys that I haven't already secured through members here. Even then I never been one to shy away from paying extra for something I wanted.
Its just a simple observation. Personally I'm tired of the blind eye TFCC uses on there exclusives in general.

Dude its not about being a FAN, it about being a member of TFCC and paying for a membership. Surely there could be more perks about becoming a member to there site. BUt instead of making it easier for there members they let the dealers and scalpers sell us there toys. Even Runamonk and Runabout got sold to dealers. Sorry thats pretty stupid, especially when they could profit from it and still save the members money. Maybe even draw in more members.

Fair enough. Though I still believe this is a matter of apples and oranges. How many Sky Strikers were in that run compared to the runs that Fanpub does for their exclusives? I'm positive that numbers have a lot to do with this considering that SDCC draws a considerably bigger crowd than Botcon would.

My response on entitlement was not tailor suited to you, but I'm also positive that there are a lot of people who do feel entitlement. Plus, I have NO argument that people have been dicked over...don't think for a moment that I think how the dealers allowed to do what they did were in the right.

And again, I have no argument that TFCC should cater to the fans first and foremost. What I've always said from the beginning, is that show exclusives need to stay show exclusives. It was you who basically stated that show exclusives at Botcon SHOULD go up on website before the con even ended, and that's what I was calling Baccala on with my original post here, because he simply mirrored your argument.

Well it was just a idea, as a business move it would be better to sell them online for with a little mark up in there store instead of letting the dealers sell them at a insane mark up. People still goto SDCC, even TFCON offers there exclusive to none attendees, so do most other places. I would under stand the freebie not being available but the add-on could easily make the no attendees package option.

It just seems they depend on the toys to get people there. Personally I don't think its the only reason people go.

Baccala has seriously misunderstood what I'm trying to say. I've never made the claim that toys are the ONLY reason people go...I'm saying that for many people, that IS the case.

Everyone is going to go for different reasons, but I don't think it's a stretch to think that there are a lot of people who go for the sake of getting toys, just as much as there are those who go for fun.

I hate cons. I was turned off by them way back when I was younger with Anime cons. The only reason why I'd go to a con is to get stuff that I would normally have a harder time to find elsewhere, or con exclusives. I don't mind interacting with other fans, but I don't want to interact with fans in that kind of environment. It's not my idea of a fun time.

So for me the ONLY draw of Botcon is going to be the toys. Go get in line for a few hours, get my toys, then go out and do stuff around town that is non-toy collecting, like check out show venues, drinking, or doing tourist kind of stuff. But of course this is just me, and I'm not trying to make it sound like EVERYONE does it. I'm just saying that I'm sure I'm not alone in this kind of sentiment.

Of course, that completely ignores the disaster it would be of selling stock online AND at the show at the same time. Who's going to keep real-time track of how many of something is selling, while trying to sell to the masses that are physically there? Furthermore, who's going to tell the guy that just waited two hours in line they are "sold out", when there is still a pile there, that are sold to people not even at the Con?

no what i am specifically talking about is sunday nite...cons ends...once FP does a head count on what is left ...they could easily set the left over sets to go live in their club store...there is no reason that they have to wait a week to two weeks to put them up...they could have them go live that nite as a pre order and then fulfill the orders and ship once they have all the stock back at their location.

i mean for christ sake...fucking ebay has the coding done in a downloadable program (TURBO LISTER) that lets anyone make a listing in a few minutes.

IF they have competent web folks...they could easily do this and have them ready for ordering the left overs sunday nite....plus as they say time is money....the sooner the stock is up for sale the sooner it can be sold off.

Fun, fun, fun. This thread is slowing down. Should I kickstart it?

In all the years that Botcon has been around how many years have GA have a decent shot at getting all the exclusives on Saturday? Two? Them's bad odds. I'm not telling others to "get a hook-up" or "splurge for the big ticket." I'm just pointing out the fact that history has shown if you choose not to do those you are taking a good chance of not getting the items. You've dug your own grave, now lie in it.

The word FANS is getting slinged around a lot on this thread in the context of "This should be a con for FANS, not DEALERS".

1) The people who arrived Thursday and Friday had plenty of chances to get multiples of the toys. Those FANS are happy.

2) Yes it sucks that people arriving Saturday and GA didn't get the exclusives, but the Dealers use the souvenirs they buy to make back the cost of attending the show. Being able to make back some costs, motivates them to attend the con and to bring items to sell. Having a bunch of dealers bringing stuff to sell, it one of the greatest experience of the convention for the FANS at the convention.

3) It sounds so simple. Limit what dealers can buy until Sunday. A popular item will still sell out. The reality of it does not work that way.
..a) If there are still a bunch of items available Sunday, the dealers will buy less, for fear of not being able to resell it.
..b) If items do not sell out, they will be un-hyped and sit for longer on the club store and the club will incure inventory costs which cuts into profit and cash flow, cash flow being important to keep the company running.
..c) Furthermore, if items do not sell out the club will have to ship it back from where the con is. It can't be in Dallas every year. Shipping back also incurs a cost.
..d) For fear that items will stagnate by placing a limit until Sunday, the club will make a less of them to be safe and keep their balance sheet and cash flow healthy.
..e) Ultimately, this means fewer toys and higher prices for all FANS.

I'm said this several times but it's worth repeating.
I'm NOT against the club finding ways to give Saturday attendees and GA a shot at the toys.
I'm WOULD NOT be against the idea of the club holding a little bit of inventory to sell in the club store.

But people think there's an easy one-line solution. There's too many variables and conflicting personalities.

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SDCC's a whole nother ball of wax. We could have several threads alone on Botcon vs SDCC so I'll leave that alone for now.

Who said it was the responsibility of the people posting in this thread to find a solution? Let Pete handle it.