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10-06-2008, 05:27 PM
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#91 | | Nom Nom Nom Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,991 Location: Moonwalking to Mike Collection Count: All the ones I want News Credits: 29 | Quote:
Originally Posted by knook  Time for Kapow toys to make a mint  | Quite the opposite little buddy, animated has been a massive loser for us and many other smaller retailers we talk to on the wholesale forums, when we clearance the stuff next week all we will continue stocking is Ultra Magnus, the new 2 packs and some imports on Wave 4.5 if we can get them.
Its a shame that such cool a line has had such a hard time of it, but Hasbro must shoulder the blame for the majority, as a retailer we were trying to get the product back in April but the pre-order kept getting bumped back so they could sell the movie toys, by the time it came to start filling orders for retailers hasbro had overstocks and subsequently punted it out to Play and Tru at a massive discount which really pissed off quite a lot of the smaller outlets who have already called it quits on animated beause they cant challenge the big boys on price, Tesco are now catching the tail end of the discounts due to Woolworths and Argos copping the hump because they didnt get the discount offers upfront, as far as the wholesalers are concerned ROTF is where the real money is going to lay and they are gearing up for it already.
It is also worth noting that 25th anniversary prime isnt even on Hasbro UK's radar yet which is shocking as he has to be considered the daddy of TF's, go figure.
We'll try and stock the newer waves if we can get em but wont operate our normal restock policy once they are gone, its just not worth the time   | 
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10-06-2008, 05:32 PM
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#92 | | Never Forget Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 28,189 Location: Sheffield, UK News Credits: 1 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Red leader Quite the opposite little buddy, animated has been a massive loser for us and many other smaller retailers we talk to on the wholesale forums, when we clearance the stuff next week all we will continue stocking is Ultra Magnus, the new 2 packs and some imports on Wave 4.5 if we can get them.
Its a shame that such cool a line has had such a hard time of it, but Hasbro must shoulder the blame for the majority, as a retailer we were trying to get the product back in April but the pre-order kept getting bumped back so they could sell the movie toys, by the time it came to start filling orders for retailers hasbro had overstocks and subsequently punted it out to Play and Tru at a massive discount which really pissed off quite a lot of the smaller outlets who have already called it quits on animated beause they cant challenge the big boys on price, Tesco are now catching the tail end of the discounts due to Woolworths and Argos copping the hump because they didnt get the discount offers upfront, as far as the wholesalers are concerned ROTF is where the real money is going to lay and they are gearing up for it already.
It is also worth noting that 25th anniversary prime isnt even on Hasbro UK's radar yet which is shocking as he has to be considered the daddy of TF's, go figure.
We'll try and stock the newer waves if we can get em but wont operate our normal restock policy once they are gone, its just not worth the time | You know, thank you for being so incredibly honest and upfront. We don't often get these insights. I'm gonna be bad and order something from you right now.  | 
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10-06-2008, 05:34 PM
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#93 | | is the meat Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,700 Location: Manchester, UK Collection Count: 345 and counting News Credits: 11 | Ooh! ooh! I get to reply! Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Prime would anyone care if Animated got cancelled all together? its one of the poorest lines since Beast Machines! | Subjective opinion. And yes, I think you'll find a lot of people would care. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Prime the show is doing seriously bad and the toys just ANIT selling! theres a reason for this 1) the show is shit 2)the animation is shit 3) the story/plot is shit 4)the toys are shit | Again, subjective opinion. Remember, you're not always right, despite what you may believe. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Prime I mean lets be serious why would i buy crap toys who all have faces that look like they have been raped by gravity! why would i buy that when i can by such things from Takara such as MP Thundercracker/Henkei and many other things. | You? No. Probably not. Do you think Animated was designed purely with Ghost Prime in mind? You may be shocked and dismayed to learn that this was not the case!!! I know, I know. Take a moment. Sit down, catch yourself. But it was designed for kids. Children. You know, target market for toys and all that. And bear in mind that the particular style is very popular with kids.
Also remember that the UK isn't the be all and end all. It's massively popular from what we can tell in the USA, which is of course the prime market as it has a population of approx. 300 million as opposed to our glorious island's paltry 61 million. Someone posted viewing figures in another thread which said IIRC that Animated was getting 2.1million/11million viewers for its time slot on a Saturday morning. That's almost 20% market share. Not bad for something shit, eh? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Prime I just hope Hasbro learn there lesson this time with Animated and start working with Takara when making a Transformers show instead of thinking there smart arses and trying to copy the awful aimation of Star Wars 'The CloneWars' which alsohad shit animation and sold extremely poorly as well because of that fact! Shit Animation puts ALOT of people off watching a show | Yep. Cos the last few times was Armada, Energon and Cybertron. And we know how those shows worked out, don't we? | |
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10-06-2008, 05:35 PM
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#94 | | Shadowmancer Supreme Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,409 Location: Painting Rainbows in the Dark Collection Count: Over 9000 News Credits: 1 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Prime would anyone care if Animated got cancelled all together? its one of the poorest lines since Beast Machines! the show is doing seriously bad and the toys just ANIT selling! theres a reason for this 1) the show is shit 2)the animation is shit 3) the story/plot is shit 4)the toys are shit
I mean lets be serious why would i buy crap toys who all have faces that look like they have been raped by gravity! why would i buy that when i can by such things from Takara such as MP Thundercracker/Henkei and many other things.
I just hope Hasbro learn there lesson this time with Animated and start working with Takara when making a Transformers show instead of thinking there smart arses and trying to copy the awful aimation of Star Wars 'The CloneWars' which alsohad shit animation and sold extremely poorly as well because of that fact! Shit Animation puts ALOT of people off watching a show | Shun the non-believer. Shuunnnn. 
There may be no peace for the wicked, but the righteous can damn well get a piece whenever they feel like it. | |
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10-06-2008, 05:36 PM
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#95 | | A Miserable Sod Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 448 Location: Leicesesesesester Collection Count: Too F'in many | Quote:
Originally Posted by Red leader Quite the opposite little buddy, animated has been a massive loser for us and many other smaller retailers we talk to on the wholesale forums, when we clearance the stuff next week all we will continue stocking is Ultra Magnus, the new 2 packs and some imports on Wave 4.5 if we can get them.
Its a shame that such cool a line has had such a hard time of it, but Hasbro must shoulder the blame for the majority, as a retailer we were trying to get the product back in April but the pre-order kept getting bumped back so they could sell the movie toys, by the time it came to start filling orders for retailers hasbro had overstocks and subsequently punted it out to Play and Tru at a massive discount which really pissed off quite a lot of the smaller outlets who have already called it quits on animated beause they cant challenge the big boys on price, Tesco are now catching the tail end of the discounts due to Woolworths and Argos copping the hump because they didnt get the discount offers upfront, as far as the wholesalers are concerned ROTF is where the real money is going to lay and they are gearing up for it already.
It is also worth noting that 25th anniversary prime isnt even on Hasbro UK's radar yet which is shocking as he has to be considered the daddy of TF's, go figure.
We'll try and stock the newer waves if we can get em but wont operate our normal restock policy once they are gone, its just not worth the time |
Bugger, I'm 9 days off from payday, hope you've got a few things left by the time that rolls round.  | |
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10-06-2008, 05:37 PM
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#96 | | Omnibot Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 229 Location: UK News Credits: 4 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Red leader It is also worth noting that 25th anniversary prime isnt even on Hasbro UK's radar yet which is shocking as he has to be considered the daddy of TF's, go figure. | Remember, according to Hasbro UK, Transformers started in 1985 in the UK, so we will probably have to wait until 2010. 
It's not just Hasbro UK who should take the blame. The US headquarters have to share a lot as well. They're influential in the poor performance, with late releases internationally at twice the price. | |
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10-06-2008, 05:38 PM
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#97 | | Even Kaiba supports 'em! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 850 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Collection Count: 5 - Movie Ironhide & Thundercracker, TFA Blurr & Lockdown, Universe 2.0 Superion | Damn! It's popular in the US, and as an Australian, I like it (even though stupid Toasted TV cuts some good scenes from it and I have to resort to YouTube), so what's gonna happen if Animated gets cut in UK?
The King of Dragons awakens. Arise, Bahamut Prime.
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10-06-2008, 05:40 PM
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#98 | | Nom Nom Nom Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,991 Location: Moonwalking to Mike Collection Count: All the ones I want News Credits: 29 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Twin Twist You know, thank you for being so incredibly honest and upfront. We don't often get these insights. I'm gonna be bad and order something from you right now. | Lol, I dont mind as I am done dealing with Hasbro UK, you hand over £5000 and still get looked upon with contempt because you arent one of the big 5 (argos, tru, tesco, woolworths, play) The story of animated is right from the Hasbro reps mouth, by own admission the line has been handled like crap and is now by the looks of it destined to a slow and painful death which sucks as 4.5 had some of the cooler figs.
Clone Wars is flying off the shelf so I dont think they are primarily concerned with TF's over the Xmas period, they are banking on the DVD release of the movie to shift more figs at xmas including overstocks of Wave 1 in revision cases.
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10-06-2008, 05:40 PM
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#99 | | is the meat Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,700 Location: Manchester, UK Collection Count: 345 and counting News Credits: 11 | Out of interest, does anyone know why TF:A got put on Nicktoons over here? Surely it should've made more sense to put it on Cartoon Network since... y'know... they MADE it... very odd. | |
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10-06-2008, 05:42 PM
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#100 | | Omnibot Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 229 Location: UK News Credits: 4 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Locustreign Out of interest, does anyone know why TF:A got put on Nicktoons over here? Surely it should've made more sense to put it on Cartoon Network since... y'know... they MADE it... very odd. | Hasbro US/CN sold the rights to the cartoon to Entertainment Rights, who then sold it to broadcasters all over the world. NickToons was the highest (only?) bidder. | |
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