JAZZ AND IRONHIDE NEW ROBOT PIX

For the most part, the Autobot deisngs are pretty good. The only things I would have done differently are to give them faces that better resemble the original characters and to give them all humanoid hands.

The Decepticons, on the other hand, leave much to be desired.

Well that wouldn't have affected the heads for a start, but lessee now...

Since the bot modes have little to no resemblance of their alt modes, they could have done whatever they liked. I would have liked to have seen chunkier designs - not necessarily exact G1 likenesses, but using an Alternators style approach. I'm quite sure they could have modified the edges to make them more flexible. Much like Jazz actually...

The movie toys look much better than the movie characters imo, but they can't replicate the complexity of movie transformation, which is why Starscream has tons of kibble under his jet mode, Ironhide has massive "exhausts" etc...

I stand by one of my earlier arguments - one of the key things, to me anyway, was that without the badge, an average bystander wouldn't be able to tell Autobot from Decepticon. But when the aesthetic portrays the Decepticons as toothy monsters, it loses that dimension. And for a movie created from a toy franchise, it needs all the dimension it can get.

At the end of the day, it's a TF movie. That's an event in itself. But I really, really want it to be a good TF movie, and the designs just dampen my enthusiasm. Thankfully what I've read of the script has been pretty good, and I think Bay is perfect for a film like this, so I'm not against the film. I just don't like the designs that much.

Just my opinion though ^^

i am in agreement with you on that. the heads onb the autobots is what is killing it for me. And the decepticons look like the attack of the alien metal bugs.

no need to be a jerk. just because you're a devout G1 fan that hates the designs doesnt mean you can call people idiots. noob.

and you want to shoot MB for ruining your image of transformers? well, we should call him up and get him to appologize, since you're the only one he needs to please, not the millions of people who will see this movie.

They say it's a suicide mission...

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To me they didn;'t really change theh eads that drastically. Prime's head is Prime. Jazz's head is Jazz. Even Ironhide's head has certain trade mark parts as well as BB. Starscream however is just too different with nothing resembling past incarnations.

So you would change movie Jazz by making him look like...movie Jazz? You can not make the desgins look like altinators because altinators has the "giant arms in the trunk" problem. The toys look like toys. The movie should not look like toys unless you want it to be a kids movie. This is am ovie made with adults in mind and so they made sure to make the transformations realistic in that every part of the alt mode is used. Otherwise non-fans would sit there saying "No one notices the giant arms in the back seat?"

I honestly do not think a bystander is going sit and ponder whether that giant yellow robot looks friendlier than that other giant black robot. A bystander will see a giant robot and go "AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I agree that some things could have been carried over from g1. I really don't see why Ironhide could not be red. I don't see why SS has a weird head. I don't see why Megatron can't have any color. But all in all there is a lot of good in these designs that a lot of people just throw away when they say they totally suck and are awful.

Good God man, get off your high-horse. People are allowed to have their own opinions, especially when demonstrated contructively. He presented a list of comparisons (which I do agree with), and they do check out (wheels in the correct places, car grill on the chest), so how are there zero comparisons? It may not look completely like the original Jazz, but similarities are present. You're entitled to your own opinion, but that's no reason to call someone an idiot because they disagree with you, or to act condescending.

Personally, I really enjoy those designs the more I see them. The only thing that stands out to me is that they SO aren't kid friendly, being sharp, jagged, and very alien, and yet they star in things like "Bumblebee Goes to the Car Wash". I was expecting illustrations more along the lines of the kid-friendly designs seen on the Fast-Action Battler figure cards, with a much more juvenile, happy look. I realize the movie is trying to reach more demographics than previous incarnations of the Transformers, but I still find the childrens books amusing when Barricade looks like he's going to jump off the cover and claw your eyes out.

Well I did say Movie Jazz was the best one, mainly (imo) because he has the closest TF stylings, which most people agree with. I would have liked to have seen him white though...

As for the arms in the trunk thing - well personally I don't think that's an issue. All the designs have arms, they've just chosen to style them differently - for example, most car boots (trunks in the US) have a felt lining, but I can't see any felt in the robot modes. Or leather for the seats... I really don't think you could "unfold" Jazz or any of the other movie TF's into a truly flawless alt mode without cheating. And if you're going to cheat and use this hugely complex transformation sequence which Bay seems to have run with, can't the robots look like anything you want? Which brings it back to choice of aesthetic.

Bottom line? These designs weren't picked for their "realism". The design team thought they looked cool.

True, but the military and many others in the comics and cartoons got confused regularly. Both factions come from the same planet, and are the same race. Strip a Nazi of his uniform (insignia) and how do you know if he's a Nazi or not? I always liked that subtle aspect of not knowing who to trust. Given a choice between movie Prime and Megs, I'm sticking with the Autobot thanks very much!

Absoloutely - I like Ironhide's body design, but maybe Trailbreaker would have been a more appropriate namesake. Prime isn't bad, but the head is way too stylised, making the expression guant and unnappealing. I can see reasoning behind the designs too - why base the robot mode on human anatomy? G1 characters like Whirl and Shockwave didn't have 2 hands either. Nor did they have humanoid faces. But I think the movie designs took that thinking a little too far.

As I said, the aesthetic isn't to my liking, but I'm still looking forward to seeing the finished product, and appreciate that some people, like yourself, find the new look appealing and fresh, which is cool too.

Waah Waah

And I already don't give a toss about the rest of your post. Good opener.
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Yeesh. I honestly thought we'd evolved past all this sort of crap some time ago.