Easy : Brainstorm's briefcase.

 

I think as long they were both far enough apart, the universe I guess was fooled into thinking they were two separate copies of the same thing. But once they came in close proximity to each other, the universe was like hold up son, one of y'all is shouldn't be here. The bigger question is why the LL 2 is the one the universe decided is the "correct" one.

 

I'm not being condescendin, genuinely not being...it's just...it's right there dude. Schrodinger's cat exists in both states until it is observed. Then it becomes quantum locked into its observed state. When the rodimus coffin drifted into range, the lost light crew locked the other Lost Light into existence by observing it, but by doing so they then created a scenario where the same object occupied a similar space. One had to go and since their's was the "unobserved" it had to go. The Rodpod and co were never duplicated so they remain. Presumably if they had approached the other ship and someone had sighted it, they would have been locked and the other ship would have disappeared

It's just...you asked why Nautica and co aren't disappearing and such and it's right there.

Seriously not being condescending, just...surpised.

Also, the inclusion of a full on hard science/hard science fiction concept in a transformers comic is kinda astounding

 

But again, what defines "proximity?" What's "close?"

I mean, relative to the Universe overall, the two LL's were practically on top of eachother the entire time.

And of course, was all this worth a bunch of shock imagery and people discussing facts back and forth with a few sprinkles of story and characters over top?

 

Well it's not a huge cosmic coincidence that they would come across the coffin - the coffin is in the "right" sector of space that the LL was supposed to jump to per the Matrix Map, and we know that the LL was headed there because they were looking for Thunderclash, who was having dreams that he believed we leading him to the Knights of Cybertron. So by following Thunderclash, who's following his dreams, they've wound up in the place they would have wound up in in the first place.

Oh blimey, I've gone cross-eyed.

 

"And the crowd goes wild!!! "

"Whats that they're chanting?"


DIGILAUT.....DIGILAUT......DIGILAUT!!!!!




Props to the person who first came up with the fate of Rodimus

 

wrong... Its gotta be why you never open coffins!

 

Oh yes you are.

And regardless, I just explained why that's shaky. Dissapearences started before the Coffin was observed.

Also, the application of Quantum Theory in this regard is fundamentally flawed:

The whole issue here hinges on one of the Lost Lights being observed, thus "disproving" the existence of the other. But there's just one fatal problem that nobody seems to have factored: Our Lost Light has been observed, many times, actually. In fact, it was observed directly after the accident, by Skids.

So if either Lost Light should've dissappeared it should've been the "dead" one, because nobody observed the dead Lost Light and it's crew before the real one. Ours has been observed, thus it has been proven. The dead one had not, and thus should've been disproved. As long as Skids, Nautica, etc. had their eyes open at all during the recovery of the Coffin, it should've dissapeared.

It's actually the exact opposite of Quantum Theory, with the observed reaction giving way to the unobserved one. Unless of course this is the entire point, that physics themselves have been turned backwards by something.

That was already explained to me, though.

You are, though. Otherwise you wouldn't have talked so blatantly condescending to me when I haven't be. I've just ben askign questions, getting answers, and then. You start. Typing. Like. This. Like I'm an idiot.

Is it, though?

Because I'm not astounded. I'm bored.

Actually that does make sense. Ignoring the fact that it's been drifting for eighteen months, but I can easily accept that it wouldn't have moved far enough that it could happenstance across the real LL.

Easier than the Quantum Theory deciding arbitrarily which observed objects to consider "real." I mean, unless the very second the dead LL reached it's destination someone besdes the crew saw it, the real LL has been observed long before it, by more people.

Like seriously, if anyone's made it this far into my post, ignore all above and just answer me this: why did our Lost Light dissappear and not the dead one? What gave the dead one prescedence over the real one when all logic and everything we've seen (which is MTMTE' s thing, of showing us everything that leads to events well before) dictates that our Lost Light was observed first?

I'm wracking my brain at what I've missed, but I just can't figure out the why.

 

I don't think observation dictates WHAT disappears, only WHEN. I think we can conclude that "our" LL was the one to get erased because it's the one that went to the "wrong" place. The other LL went to where it was supposed to, so technically, from the universe's quantum viewpoint, it would be the "right" one. When the anomaly is observed, the universe corrects itself by removing the "wrong" one.

 

I would like to point out we only have 5 pages of the issue thus far. Tis quite probable that Riptide, Getaway, Megatron, or whoever will pose that same question and we'll get the answer.

Random speculation: This wrecked LL still has a Matrix half on it. Perhaps the Matrix is such a super special magic talisman that it anchored this LL in reality.

EDIT:

Or that. Most likely that

 

With that explanation, I like Nautica!  

 

I almost thought that when I re-read it. But that's not how Nautica explained it, though.

There's a billion point B's and the engines select one (the one that's entered into it) and goes to it. The explosion malfunctioned the engines, so instead of picking one, it picked two. Both of those, to the engine, are equally legitimate. It chose both with equal significance.

If thare was in fact just one destination the engines were "supposed" to go, they wouldn't have picked "both." They would've picked the one that was clearly "right." But they didn't, because the accident caused it to produce two destinations of equal value and split because it "couldn't choose."

I know you basically just edited your post to word things differently, but to refer to the bolded part: there shouldn't be an anomaly. If the engines sift through billions of destinations only to get one, that must mean they know it's the right one, because it's the destination that was entered. But thay didn't pick one, they picked two, but that second destination was of equal merit. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have been picked.

That's the correct destination to us, but to the engines both were correct. That's why they split in the first place.

 

I got it. Sector 113 is the common point of this. As long as both LL weren't in the exact same sector of space, these quantum edits wouldn't occur. But once both LL went for the same destination, universe was like hmmm no, one of you must go. The closer they got towards sector 113, the more of our LL started to disappear. Then when they got really close, the whole ship and the crew began to vanish. And per the theory above, our LL was the first to cross lets say the quantum rubicon, and saw parts of the LL first and interacted with thus, making the doomed LL the "correct" one. I also think that these edit will play apart of what makes sector 113 such a big plot point. And rewind will be in the center of it since he is the only one who is alive from LL 2 and he cross the quantum rubicon. I love this shit!!!!!!!

 

Yeah, but then when the anomaly becomes apparent and the universe itself is FORCED to choose, it chooses what should have been the "right" one.

 

So you're saying the universe is just as subjective as we are?

 

I think it's more of an eeny-meany-miny-mo kind of thing.

 

But that's just it, our Lost Light should've been the "right" one, because it was observed first.

The only way that's possible is if the Universe acknowledges that it was a mistake, but it wasn't. There are no mistakes, nothing is random. The Lost Light exploded because Ore stood next to the engines. That explosion disrupted the engines and caused it to pick two destinations. That is the reaction to the action, and the Universe let that happen because that is what followed the explosion.

It's cause and effect.

It'd have to be. It's the onyl way this works.

Even though the Universe is not subjective.

I can tell you it's not.

Because even that's not random. It's a pattern. Patterns are not random, because nothing is random. Nothing is a "mistake" to the Universe. The Lost Light did not exist outside the Universe when it jumped. The Universe was still present, and "saw" it split. If we're going to treat the Universe like a giant person, it would've been watching both when that happened, so there's no reason it should choose now and not before.

If the Universe thought it was okay to have two Lost Light's before, it should be okay now. Proximity should mean nothing, since again, there would've been a point where the two Lost Lights were in proximity before, however brief.

 

This could be manipulated by someone. Someone at sector 113 who thinks the lost light might foil their plans.

 

Also, where did the matter for two Lost Lights come from? You can't just have matter come from nowhere, it needs to come from somewhere.

 

I don't the two LL were ever this close before. Our LL went through Delphi, Temportia (however it's spelled), Overlord, the Titan, the events of Dark Cybertron while being OFF COURSE. The other LL never deviated from the Matrix Map. Remember Rodimus and company was lost for most of season 1 and only just now got back on course when Megatron got on board. Thus this is the first instance where the 2 LL would occupy even the same part of space.