The CGI he uses costs A LOT, a lot more than people think. Transformers is unique in that every character has parts moving on him or her, and these parts are constantly moving, Wheels turning, gears and other mechanisms moving as well to make these characters feel more alive, and it works! Ironhides cannons alone had more moving parts than some of the characters themselves! it just isn't cost effective to keep them on the screen, hence the Human Element, and the reason they mainly stay in vehicle mode.

Now, arguably, he could of chosen a different style...True. But they style he used was more realistic, and i applaud him for that. They don't look like they jumped straight out of the cartoon, and for the most part don't look goofy (Barring mudflap and skids...) They look like they could just jump out of the screen, Transform, and u could sit in them, and drive away, and tbh, i can' remember the last time i thought like that while watching a film.

It is a shame, but who knows? maybe once these films end, another person may come with another animation style and improve on what bay did. But no one can deny the impact he has had on the franchise. Honestly without him it would of went stale a few years ago.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd argue that the problem with movie Prime is that the spirit of the character isn't there. He looks like Optimus Prime, he sounds like Optimus Prime, but he doesn't act like Optimus Prime. Especially in the third movie, he goes beyond simply being violent. He makes morally questionable decisions, he allows Chicago to fall to make a point, he executes incapacitated enemies-that last one isn't just dishonorable, it's a war crime.

If they were having him do these things to set up character development or to explore how war makes all people into monsters, that would be fine. But they aren't. Nobody questions his actions, he never shows any regret. It's just lazy writing that completely violates everything he stands for.

 

Fixed.

 

Umm... it's not Throwback Thursdays yet, so how/why did one of these rants from 2006 show up today?

Damn hackers...

 

He didn't know the Cons were going to attack Chicago like that. The plan was to fake their deaths, wait for the Cons to make their move, and counterattack. Optimus was obviously pissed when he discovered the damage done, partly because of him.

But that's all been discussed to death and back, and this really isn't the place to discuss it...

I'm not entirely sure why I'm posting this. If someone has an opinion, this probably won't change it. Eh. Whatever.

 

The style the movies went with did make them feel more realistic, but it was unnecessary to that extent. I like how the robots look thinner, and have a more humanoid anatomy, but constant moving parts are distracting, especially since the average moviegoer is only paying attention to the overrall robot, and the story, not every part. If the style was toned down to TFP, or IDW level, they would still get moving parts during conversation, and still have a realistic looking robot.

As far as goofy looking designs go, I think half the movie designs are goofy. Fat hillbilly Wreckers, Gold teeth on Twins, hunched over Jetfire with beard, Drift's Japanese face, Dreadlocks on Dreads, I could keep going on... The g1 robots may have been simple and boxy, but at least they looked like cool, SciFi robots instead of stereotypical humans.

 

To be fair, Prime was pushed pretty damn far in DOTM.

 

Broke.

#1: Obviously I was talking about Movie detractors.

#2: If a change is seen as "for the worse" then you don't like it. What is "for the worse" is up for debate, but that isn't.

 

So, why didn't you just say "for the worse" is objective in the first place?  

 

Totally. Although I don't hate change at all. It's fun to look at all the different coins for each state.

 

Subjective.

 

In general I don't mind change. I'd have left the TF franchise years ago if I was truly against it.
For some reason 'Geeeeeeeeeewunnnnnn!!!' is always repeatedly cited when someone has a rant about people supposedly against change, and yet those that like G1 more often than not are just as much a fan of other TF series with changes in them away from the original series depictions. Bagging on easy target G1 fans is so unoriginal. I wish the people that make posts about people unable to accept change would change the same tired old record of making it always against 'Geewun'.

Change for the sake of change or changes that don't make much sense are what I'm not a fan of. Yeah, it can be a personal dislike of a change, like the colour or alt mode of a character from previous versions, but I don't see why that's such a crime I would like an aspect of a character I like to be retained throughout the years.

It's already happening, and not even with massive changes. Look at all the people that complained because they liked the original BayFormers Optimus design compared to the new AoE one. I can only imagine the aneurysm they'll suffer when there's proper full-on change when BayFormers as the version of a live-action Transformers franchise comes to an end. And it will end some day. I'll be very interested to see how accepting of change those BayWunners are then.

 

Where is the standard of the spirit of Optimus Prime? And who defines that spirit?

Beauty, beholder, eye of. I don't care if people do or don't like a particular depiction of any character, but I have grown to loath any type of foundation where someone speaks for all.

I may not like the bot designs, but I personally appreciate how the movie Optimus has transcended the safe "5 and up" roles and appeals to a larger crowd that apparently has no problem with violence. After all, not only is it war but survival of the fittest. That's how they wrote it, and I am cool with it.
If I don't like any particular TF media, I am free to find my entertainment elsewhere.
I would hope and expect others to do the same instead.

But look where I am at- a community that has accused me of violating everyone's human and civil rights by suggesting that TF4 wasn't gonna be any different than the the other 3 and that if people didn't didn't like TF 1, 2, and 3 then they might not to watch this one.

Silly me.

 

Change itself isn't the problem. Changes can be good or bad. Just because its a change doesn't make it any good just because of that.

Are the Ninja Turtles aliens? No. Would that have been a good change? No, it would not have been. Soundwave not talking? That was a change, but it was entertaining at that.

But saying people are wrong for not liking change is just as bad as saying change is a bad thing. Everyone gets an opinion.

 

Some people actually collect change.

 

It basically boils down to the fact that change is unpredictable. You know if you like or hate something that's already been done, but new things are unknown. Some people prefer things to be consistant and stable, while others enjoy seeing new ideas being tried out. While neither one is inherently bad, they both can be. Leaving concepts unchanged for too long will eventually lead to stagnation. That's what eventually happened to G1. While everytime you change things, you run the risk of it simply not working out the way you had hoped. Like Beast Machines.

 

Opionions are like ass-holes:
everyone who has one is one.  

 

You're right, my bad. It's Monday.

 

Does it never get old?