Don Talks: More on VAs/Filming Date

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  1. Mister D

    Mister D Bloosh Compatible

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    Kind of, sort of, but not really. Most people know diddly squat about the character of Catwoman. The changes in her character would have pissed off comic fans, but if the movie was decent anyway, many would have dealt and moved on. What made Catwoman the movie it was was not infidelity to the source material, but the holy trinity of movie suckage: bad acting, bad writing, bad directing.
     
  2. Superman_Alpha

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    amen.


    Look at what IDW is doing with G1. Fresh "modern" spin, but clearly G1.
     
  3. airfox

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    I beg to differ, but Spider-man wasn't G1, it was G1-based.

    I've been reading Spider-man comics since I was 8 years old. I remember both the old cartoon (Spider-man, Spider-man, does whatever a spider can), the second one, the one with Iceman and Firestar and the 90s one.

    Don't get me wrong. I think both Spider-man movies were good, I even own the DVDs; but to me both movies always felt odd and I can't quite point out why. Is it because of the webbing? Is it because Peter keeps loosing his mask? Is it because he's not a genius? Is it Mary Jane or Dr. Octopus? I don't know.

    I even liked more Fantastic Four than Spider-man, even though objectively (sp?) I guess the source material was more respected on Spider-man.

    Having said that, I hope Transformers receives at least a movie with the quality and standards like Spider-man & Spider-man 2. At least. Hopefully we'll get X2 or Batman Begins quality though. I think there's still hope and I'm looking forward to what the producers, directors and writers deliver.

    P.S.: besides, everybody knows Cullen isn't Prime. Optimus Prime spoke in spanish. :D 
    P.S.2: I wonder if in 1988 fans were clamoring for Adam West to reprise his role as Batman in Burton's movie.

    -airfox
     
  4. Cheetatron

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    I think many of you are letting nostalgia cloud your judgement. That opinion doesn't even seem to be based in any rational school of thought. PS. I dont care for clooney but the man has REAL pull, you would be naive to underestimate.

    Take shrek or lion king for example do you honestly believe those movies would have grossed a 3rd of what they did with no names staring in them?

    Look at Shrek 2, it
    -added a known latino actor, hispanics could relate to
    -added a seasoned and well known "face work" actor
    -it blew away its very, very, very succeful predaccessor in terms of grossing

    Do you mean to tell me the first and second points didnt affect the third point? I am not saying thay are the sole reasons, I am saying they should have had a HUGE effect.

    I never saw shreck 2, but even if I did and thought it was bad, its box office success would render my opinion superfulous.

    Now lets look at a tragically neutered film franchise as far as big name celebrity voice are concerned:

    Winnie The Pooh its safe these movies almost always break even because they are
    -cheap to make
    -popular enough with the kids
    -nostalic but as some thing of an endearing cross generational iconic property they have more nostalgic pull than tfs

    But they're success potential is capped infact "bottlenecked" would be apporpriate they will never be run away successes cause they never have big name stars in the leading most roles. They will always be at the bottom barrel of movies that do more than break even in their home market.

    more celeb voices than i know what to do with and its less succesful older brother vs The Tigger Movie's grossings

    And thats the best anyone could realisticly hope for if cullen and welkner(both worked on the tigger movie) were recasted. My point is breaking even isn't guranteed, so why should the people who make the movie bottleneck themselves, they should stack the odds as much in their favor as possible.

    I think someone on transformerslive pointed out that the fans did on alt groups or whatever but it couldn't have matered less for a variety of reasons
     
  5. Superman_Alpha

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    Comic book geeks? no.

    Regular people? yes. In fact Warner Bros went to great lengths to distance the movie from everyone's expectations of the popular sitcom; a show so popular when it debuted that it was credited with the explosion in the sales of color TV sets. This was especially difficult for WB after the director hired an actor only known as a comedian for the lead role, which was why WB pushed The Dark Knight Returns as the new modern take on Batman for a year before the movie's release.
     
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    GAAAAH!!! I'm sick of this!!! People... get over it! You should just hope Murphy pulls off a good movie! Stop bitching about the voice actors already!!!

    Sorry... had to vent...
     
  7. Cheetatron

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    Conflict is in human nature. Some people will never stop bitching about certain things take rabid 616 spiderman fans and the subject of organic webbing.
     
  8. McBradders

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    Come on Cullen and Welker! WHOO!
     
  9. Cheetatron

    Cheetatron Drat, outsmarted by a Lorry, I am disgraced

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    ^Bah
    Fishbourne and Keith David in 07
     
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    Hell with Cullen and Welker! BOOO!!

    I say from here on out, you just quote one of the above whenever this topic comes up. Either that or you must bring pie charts to back up your argument for or against Cullen/Welker. Because pie tastes good.
     
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    Really? Wow just goes to show how impared one's judgement can be when one is blinded by nostalgia or is surrounded by those who are. I myself thought the lines were drawn on every tf board you could possibly go to. The nostalgia soldiers :thumbdown  vs the progressive crew :thumb  I guess the soldiers have Murpys ear on his board?

    Exactly how many of you do you think there are?

    Profit and Viability aren't exactly subjective things and as such they kinda make subjective things irrelevent. Case in point there are at least 4 micheal bay movies that grossed over 100 mil in the US alone, Pearl Harbor, The Rock, Armegeddon and Bad Boys 2. 3 of them recouped more than half of the budget at opening week and made 65 mill+ in profit in the US alone. If his movies weren't awfully profitable most of te time he probably wouldn't be allowed to make them unlike Uwe Boll who abuses provisions in German law to fund his travesties and make himself a profit.

    The spiderman movies were basicaly an ultimate style spiderman epc it "screwed" or upgraded many aspects of what made 616 spiderman for grossing viability and art purposes they continue to be raimi's highest grossing most profitable movies.

    :peoples:  Cause raimi paid so much attention to nostalgia blinded fans that he abandoned his vision and followed stan lee's "amazing adult fantasy #15' to the script right?

    What? You couldn't find any examples to back up your argument so you decide to trump one up and try to twist an example that could and would be used against you? :banghead: 
     
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    Anyone not cheering for Cullen and Welker on is dead in my eyes. DEAD.

    I don't care what you think, I want Cullen and Welker.

    THE END!
     
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    And wellcome to Hollywood Poly-sci 101. God I hated the politics out there. It was one of the reasons why I quit working in the industry.

    Tho I do believe that everyone needs to take a step back, breath real deep and re-read Don's post again. He's not saying that the other side wants to change everything, just that the movie should be it's own universe so to speak.

    Keep in mind that These people are throwing ALOT of money at this project. They have to make it back plus more and we fans couldn't make it successful if we went to see it 100 times each.

    That said, let's look a couple of things rationally.

    1. Hasbro will not let these guys stray too far from the path. This is one of their big guns. They have to be able to sell toys based on this movie so I don't think they're gonna accept too many changes that stray too far away from the "mythos".

    2. Like him or not, Don has been working with the fanbase so we can have some kind of voice in what get's done. Keep in mind that as a film is in production the last person who's voice gets heard is the writer. (unless the writer is the producer or director or etc...) Below the writer is the series creator or sorce origin (once again unless they are further involved) And we fans are even lower on the pole than that. So if anyone working on this film even stops to look our way, never mind listen to anything we have to say, we should be happy.

    3. As was stated earlier in this thread, how can we expect them to even listen to us if we can't even agree as a fanbase on what we want? If when they do decide to give us an ear and we shout craploads of conflicting ideas, don't be surprised that they don't listen to us.

    4. Lastly, Movies are made by committie. Yes there is guidance by the Director, but everyone who's involved withmaking the movie put's their own touches on it. From the actors to the make-up crew, from costumes to props. And all of the techincal people as well. Then there's the score, and special f/x and then it all goes thru a blender called editing. So what started as one thing can become somthing entirerly different once compleated. And it's all up to the Director to make sure things go as smoothly as possible and everyone is on page. When it's done right, you get Lord of the Rings... When it's not, you get Catwoman.

    This is why Don keeps refering to Bay on things as the ball is in his hands now. So what ever we hear from now until our butts are in the theater seats, the only way anyone is gonna enjoy the movie is to realise how things work and to trust that everything is in good hands. Otherwise your gonna be in for a hellish 18 months.
     
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    Shush! You'll agitate Michael Bay! :) 
     
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    Don't come in here with stupid things like FACT and REASON. They're not welcome. Cullen and Welker are, however, you can lick the windows!
     
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    OK, It's pretty much a given this will not be a live action rehash of the "More than Meets the Eye" miniseries. Change is expected, even necessary to take occasionally cheesy stories and characters from the 1980s and make it accessible and acceptable to a mass audience who may or may not have any nostalgia for the original stuff.

    All the "avoid ties to the past" talk still concerns me though, because the past is what created the opportunity to make a new film, and what will appeal to those with even the mildest sense of nostalgia. It's also a bit vague right now. Does avoiding ties to the past mean "some modes and designs change for the sake of moviemaking and storytelling, and please don't be too put out if Cullen's not in it.", or is it more like "You're going to love it! Optimus Prime is an insecure soldier rising to prominence after his experiences on Earth. Hell be voiced by David Schwimmer, and we just scored H. R. Giger to design all the robots in his trademarked style!". I'll agree that Hasbro probably won't let things stray too far from where they "should" be, since they own the property, and would like to use this movie to move some toys.

    I think the big thing is this movie should be recognizable to the vaguely nostalgic as G1, even if it's a modernised, updated, reimagined version of G1. Transformers has already been reimagined a lot, assuning the baseline is the cartoon or the Marvel comics, a little deviation gets you a Dreamwave or IDW version of G1. More deviation, and you get Armada, Energon, Cybertron, and RiD. Take the deviation farther still, and you get Beast Wars and Beast Machines (I know these connect to G1, but they are also a reimagined TF universe in their own way too)

    I don't want a movie that reminds me too much of Armada. I guess that's what I'm saying. :) 
     
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    I know I say this a lot but: what's your obsession with getting Cullen and Welker for the movie voices? Let other guys act too.
     
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    Uuummm ....

    I have a chill pill if you need one.

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    I wouldnt be suprised if some characters looked very different. I'd expect prime to have a "normal" face. One with a mouth and nose and not the faceplate. You cant have one of the main good guy's face half covered. Who knows...
     
  20. Dalarsco

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    The only thing that matters is that the actors can act and the voices aren't a departure from characterization. If the studio wanted to make Starscream voiced by Al Pacino, I'd say go for it. If they wanted Ironhide voiced by Clint Eastwood, it would be pretty cool. That being said, keep crappy actors far away from this movie. Owen Wilson is hilarious, but he can't actually act.
     
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